News & Developments: Bowden TOD

[danni_88]

did anyone go to the second event on the weekend?

[Ben]

I went. i was a bit underwhelmed. I expected more detials plans, rathen then concepts. Nothing was definite at this point in time.

[danni_88]

i would have also liked less 'conceptual' ideas and more 'this is happening'. Not complaining about free food though thought that was different.

[ChillyPhilly]

Had a thought about this the other day. It's one thing to build classy, top-notch apartments and create a good lifestyle - and sell both successfully. But... what's going to keep the people there? So far, that's lacking to me.

You can put together a fantastic development with the best transport links, prime location, etc... but at the end of the day, it's just a 'space' and not a 'place'. Transit-oriented developments always carry a risk factor, so we'll just wait and see with fingers crossed whether this booms or busts.

[Splashmo]

I would've thought the close proximity of Hindmarsh, North Adelaide and the city would attract people to Bowden (if they can afford the astronomical prices). Not everybody needs to live in a "place" - "spaces" like Kensington Gardens or Myrtle Bank or Hawthorn are nice areas to live in without being top-billing attractions.

[crawf]

Had a thought about this the other day. It's one thing to build classy, top-notch apartments and create a good lifestyle - and sell both successfully. But... what's going to keep the people there? So far, that's lacking to me.

You can put together a fantastic development with the best transport links, prime location, etc... but at the end of the day, it's just a 'space' and not a 'place'. Transit-oriented developments always carry a risk factor, so we'll just wait and see with fingers crossed whether this booms or busts.

There are plans for a major upgrade of the parklands opposite Bowden with a footbridge connection, community markets, supermarket and a leisure and dining precinct that will be open to around 18 hours a day. I already live in the area, and there are many already reasons that are keeping me here. Things like walking distance to cafes, restaurants, pubs, parklands, library, Adelaide Entertainment Centre, Hindmarsh Stadium, all modes of public transport and ofcourse the city only just being down the road.

The area has a strong character with lovely old cottages, tree lined streets aswell as the influx of modern townhouses and apartments. Bowden/Brompton has already been compared to where Norwood was 20 years ago. Prices are already getting quite expensive because of the demand.

[rev]

^ The only reason people want to move in is because after a few urban renewal projects back in the 1990's, everyone thought "shit, that's really close to North Adelaide and the city, let's move there".
That's why it's expensive now. Because it's close to those locations and there is demand.
It's not that far from the beach eather.

Public transprot and everything else you mentioned is irrelevant, because the people who have moved in and want to move in, generally are yuppies with their expensive luxury cars that they are paying off, ie snobs and people who have their heads up their asses. Most of these people are hoping it turns into the next rich-elite-snoby inner suburb like Walkerville or Medindie etc.

The area has lost a lot of it's character. I should know, I used to live there before it was over run by the above mentioned people.
I wouldn't move back to Brompton if you handed me the keys to a house with all bills taken care of for the rest of my life. There's better areas surrounding Brompton and Bowden.

There's a few pubs, the Exelcsior, the Brompton, Bombay to name three..
Taverna has moved from North Adelaide to Hawker st..
Enzos on Port rd make brilliant pizzas.

Cant forget the supposedly haunted IGA on Torrens road..which mind you has changed owners like 3 times because it's not doing too well.

The $1.6 million expansion of Bombay has been approved by council btw.
Finally we might see some decent car parking.
And there might be a BP On the Run opening up on the corner of Torrens and Chief street. Some locals are trying to fight it.

A supermarket at Bowden? I remember the Foodland 2 mins up the road at Ridleyton fighting tooth and nail to stop a proposed shopping center/supermarket at the last development bordered by Hawker and Torrens. That Foodland last I heard was doing very poorly, so I wonder if they'll get their knickers in a bunch again(if they are around by that stage).

[crawf]

^ The only reason people want to move in is because after a few urban renewal projects back in the 1990's, everyone thought "shit, that's really close to North Adelaide and the city, let's move there".
That's why it's expensive now. Because it's close to those locations and there is demand.
Public transprot and everything else you mentioned is irrelevant, because the people who have moved in and want to move in, generally are yuppies with their expensive
It's not that far from the beach eather.
luxury cars that they are paying off, ie snobs and people who have their heads up their asses. Most of these people are hoping it turns into the next rich-elite-snoby inner suburb like Walkerville or Medindie etc.

The area has lost a lot of it's character. I should know, I used to live there before it was over run by the above mentioned people.
I wouldn't move back to Brompton if you handed me the keys to a house with all bills taken care of for the rest of my life. There's better areas surrounding Brompton and Bowden.

While these urban renewal projects are turning parts of Brompton into another generic Mawson Lakes style suburb with some very ugly cheap boxes. It is still transforming Bowden/Brompton into a much more safer attractive livable area. There are still signs of the old Brompton with at least one or two brothels, drug lab, the interesting Gas Light Hotel, industrial warehouses and some very interesting individuals. When I say interesting, it's quite common for the police and ambos to come to a block of homes on our street. Thankfully this ugly side of Brompton (aka Bronxton) is fading...

You can't say those things are irrelevant, the location of being so close to city plays a major part but that isn't all. Same with public transport, the new free tram service has given the area a major boast. Actually that whole area looks so much better now with the fancy Entertainment Centre expansion, Channel 7, tram stop and improved landscaping. Just a shame that the rest of Port Road is more like a dogs breakfast.

That's quite unfair to put everybody in that category, being so close to the city there is a high number of young professions but there is already other types of people including families. Though not all young professions are stuck up snobs, that's just as bad as people claiming that everyone in Elizabeth is unemployed slum.

A supermarket at Bowden? I remember the Foodland 2 mins up the road at Ridleyton fighting tooth and nail to stop a proposed shopping center/supermarket at the last development bordered by Hawker and Torrens. That Foodland last I heard was doing very poorly, so I wonder if they'll get their knickers in a bunch again(if they are around by that stage).

I wouldn't be surprised if this is true, that entire complex is in dire need of a major revamp. It's quite rough looking but the customer service is usually good.

[rev]

Bah, that's nothing. You should have seen what used to go down when I lived there. Although I never felt unsafe for some reason...
Lol which street? I probably know them or grew up with their kids or maybe their parents ahaha
Brothels are everywhere. A blind eye is turned to them by the powers that be for obvious reasons, but under certain "rules".

Obviously not everyone can be described as I said in my other post. But those people are part of what has killed the area.
By character I wasn't referring to the crime.
The urban renewal projects I was referring to were at the former dump/council yard, and along Hawker street which I cant remember what it was. There were two projects there actually.

There used to be a little corner deli/fish & chip shop across the road from the Exelcisior..it's now just a derelict building I think. They used to make excellent food. Best fish & chips in the inner west growing up.

[crawf]

Bah, that's nothing. You should have seen what used to go down when I lived there. Although I never felt unsafe for some reason...
Lol which street? I probably know them or grew up with their kids or maybe their parents ahaha
Brothels are everywhere. A blind eye is turned to them by the powers that be for obvious reasons, but under certain "rules".

Doubt it, they have only been there a year or two and at this rate will get kicked out by the Housing Trust *fingers crossed*. It's normal to hear some stupid slag shouting out racial abuse and bashing things at 3am in the morning. We've already had contact from Housing SA to contact them regarding these people.

To be honest I really don't have an issue with the brothel, I would rather live next to them then put up with these ferals. She was yelling out the other day that she was going to burn down her house, shame she didn't act on it

Obviously not everyone can be described as I said in my other post. But those people are part of what has killed the area.
By character I wasn't referring to the crime.
The urban renewal projects I was referring to were at the former dump/council yard, and along Hawker street which I cant remember what it was. There were two projects there actually.

There used to be a little corner deli/fish & chip shop across the road from the Exelcisior..it's now just a derelict building I think. They used to make excellent food. Best fish & chips in the inner west growing up.

Fair enough, it's annoying that Brompton doesn't have a fish n chips or even a deli closer to Port Road or Hawker Street. Though the Chicken place on Torrens Road isn't bad

[UrbanSG]

When I used to live in Ovingham in early 2000's petrol syphoning was out of control. Not to mention arson.

Caught a feral syphoning petrol out of one of our cars and then to add to that pissing into the tank!!! I caught him in the act and let's just say I went nuts and he ran away.

Then a year later there was the night a large tree in our yard was lit on fire and the firies somehow missed our place, didn't see the huge tree on fire which had all the neightbours watching (not helping mind you) and by the time they arrived I managed to put most of the fire out. Whole garden was destroyed and almost caught the house on fire.

Couldn't wait to move out of that suburb. Good location but so many crazy people.

Seems to be improving now though. I agree with rev though, hopefully not too many yuppies. A good mix to keep the yuppies on their toes

[monotonehell]

...Caught a feral syphoning petrol out of one of our cars and then to add to that pissing into the tank!!! ...

Syphoning petrol is just stealing, however pissing in the tank afterward makes it art.

Perhaps we should take this to the pub and get back on topic here

[rhino]

From Adelaide Now:

Bowden project proposals welcomed
From: The Advertiser May 08, 2012 11:00PM

HOUSING and Urban Development Minister Patrick Conlon has welcomed formal proposals to purchase the first release of parcels in the $1 billion Bowden project.

Mr Conlon has told a Property Council of Australia lunch that the Urban Renewal Authority had received an overwhelming response from the industry.

More than a dozen submissions received from private sector developers for the first release parcels of land in Stage 1 will now be evaluated by the Urban Renewal Authority and Bowden's designated Design Review Panel.

The successful development teams for the first parcels will be announced next month.

Urban Renewal Authority chief executive Fred Hansen said the response from the building industry had been "fantastic".

[Wayno]

It's my understanding the chosen Property Developers will not be required to pre-purchase their allocated lots. Instead they will enter into contract with the State Govt where land costs will be deducted at point of final sale to the public. Point being to make the whole exercise more 'cash flow attractive' to Developers in return for the increased rules & guidelines being imposed with regards to consistency of street scape appeal, architectural merit of individual properties, etc.

Not sure if this interests anyone, but anyway now you know

[ml69]

It's my understanding the chosen Property Developers will not be required to pre-purchase their allocated lots. Instead they will enter into contract with the State Govt where land costs will be deducted at point of final sale to the public. Point being to make the whole exercise more 'cash flow attractive' to Developers in return for the increased rules & guidelines being imposed with regards to consistency of street scape appeal, architectural merit of individual properties, etc.

Not sure if this interests anyone, but anyway now you know

Great idea if your facts are correct (not implying that they're not). Effectively zero land holding costs for the developers.