News & Discussion: General CBD Development

[dbcrow]

So if the bus lanes run down the middle of the street, where will the stops go?

I would imagine it would be something like Collins Street in Melbourne. The tram stops are in the middle of the road, and people gather under sheltered areas to wait for the tram.

[crawf]

Hopefully this finally happens. That whole street is one giant mess from the cracked pavers to the traffic congestion.

[monotonehell]

So if the bus lanes run down the middle of the street, where will the stops go?

I would imagine it would be something like Collins Street in Melbourne. The tram stops are in the middle of the road, and people gather under sheltered areas to wait for the tram.

Buses don't tend to have doors on the right side...

[Norman]

I would imagine that they will have shelters on either side of the road

[omada]

Great idea for Grenfell Street, but you all know it won't happen. Let's get real here for 1 minute.

[Giorgio]

So if the bus lanes run down the middle of the street, where will the stops go?

I would imagine it would be something like Collins Street in Melbourne. The tram stops are in the middle of the road, and people gather under sheltered areas to wait for the tram.

Buses don't tend to have doors on the right side...

Huh?

Did you not read his post?? He compared the set up to Collins Street tram stops in Melbourne in which case people only use the left hand side doors to enter/exit and all other traffic uses the single outer lanes between the stop and the footpath.


Tram stop @ Collins Street by Eelin's 5th eye, on Flickr

[[Shuz]]

That's absurd. Have you seen the queues for the buses at peak hour? There is no way those stops (or a similar configuration) would fit the capacity needed.

[mshagg]

The queues at stops are significant because it takes so long for a bus to crawl down currie/grenfell in peak hour traffic.

I think that's kind of the idea of having a corridor...

[AtD]

Some Sydney city bus stops have attendants selling and validating tickets in the queue before the bus arrives.

You mean like we used to have back before the mid 1990s? :S

Did you not read his post?? He compared the set up to Collins Street tram stops in Melbourne in which case people only use the left hand side doors to enter/exit and all other traffic uses the single outer lanes between the stop and the footpath.

I read it... but I miss read it.



*disappears in a could of ninja smoke*

[Will]

This is an absolute no-brainer. It should happen now!

From the Messenger:

Bar licences could transform city laneways

Business

19 Apr 12 @ 07:30am by Alice Higgins



FINALLY: Rob Dinnen and Rowan Edwards opened a bar in Leigh St this week. Picture: Luke Hemer


CITY laneways will remain stagnant backwaters unless restrictive liquor licensing laws are changed to help entrepreneurs open small bars, industry figures say.

They say immediately introducing a small bar liquor licence for low-risk venues, similar to ones operating in Perth and Sydney, is the key to transforming the city’s dead pockets into hives of activity.

They have applauded State Government and City Council plans to investigate how a new liquor licence category could be introduced to slash red tape and encourage tapas bars and “hole-in-the-wall” drinking spots.

Renew Adelaide CEO Ianto Ware said the current classifications allowed entrepreneurs to only choose from restrictive restaurant, hotel or entertainment venue licences, which were too inflexible for small bars.

Mr Ware said hotel licences forced small bars to also open a bottle shop, and restaurant licences did not permit bars to provide entertainment while serving food.

“We have got a licensing system that is out of date with current economic and social behaviours,” Mr Ware said.

“In most other capital cities, such as Sydney, they have produced a small bar category which has had a massive positive impact on their early evening economy.

“Over 12 months to five years, we would see more small bars opening and see a significant increase in the early evening economy.”

Renew Adelaide is a not-for-profit project whose aim is to revitalise empty buildings by helping community groups or new ventures move in.

The SA Property Council’s executive director Nathan Paine said a small bar licence should be included in legislation to bring Adelaide into line with other capital cities.

“Small bars have really driven laneway revitalisation in Melbourne and Perth,” Mr Paine told the City Messenger.

“Unless we can get a small bar category happening here it is going to be really difficult to activate a lot of these laneways.”.

West End Association president Andrew Wallace said he thought that a special category for small bars would prompt more entrepreneurs to open businesses and create more activity in the precinct.

Premier Jay Weatherill said the government was “favourably disposed” to introducing a special category for small-scale bars.

“We all agree that in the course of energising the city and revitalising our laneways, we want to see more small scale venues of various types,” Mr Weatherill said.

“The government is talking to stakeholders about what would be involved (to introduce a special category) and how it might best be done.”

Lord Mayor Stephen Yarwood last week directed his staff to prepare a report on liquor licensing reform.

“There are countless examples of young entrepreneurs who cannot get liquor licenses or go through hell to get liquor licences,” Mr Yarwood told a council meeting.

“We certainly do not embrace our entrepreneurs or inspire them or support them and we need to change that.”

The Liquor Licensing Commissioner declined to comment on the matter.

LONG WAIT FOR OPENING
Rob Dinnen had to morph his vision for a trendy city bar into an entertainment venue before he was allowed to open.

Mr Dinnen this week unveiled Leigh St bar udaberri at the former Flight Centre site.

Last October he applied for a special circumstances licence to open a small wine bar and eatery for 100 people because he did not think a restaurant, hotel or entertainment venue licence would suit his business.

But the application was rejected and Mr Dinnen was forced to alter his business plan to an entertainment venue featuring DJs and live music while serving wine and food.

Last month he was given the green light to serve alcohol under an entertainment licence after a six month process and tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees.

“The legislation was passed a long, long time ago and things have changed quite markedly, and our drinking culture has changed quite markedly, since then,” Mr Dinnen said.

“SA is one of the wine capitals of the world and we have maybe two wine bars.

“Trying to open a concept bar here is pretty difficult if you are not an entertainment venue or a restaurant.”
Mr Dinnen this week welcomed State Government and City Council plans to investigate how a new liquor licence category for small bars could be introduced to encourage tapas bars and “hole-in-the-wall” drinking spots.

He agreed changes to liquor licensing laws were needed to enliven laneways.

“If a small bar licence was introduced, you would find a lot more innovative and quirky venues popping up and they are the hallmark of a vibrant city,” he said.

[Ben]

Might not be the appropriate thread but I found this application amusing. Not surprised it will be refused, however it is a retrospective application so he must have been "dobbed in" by someone. Some nice pictures of the Macaws in their temporary home in the document

CITY OF ADELAIDE DEVELOPMENT ASSESSMENT PANEL ON 7/5/2012

Item No 3.1
Address 30 Melbourne Street, North Adelaide SA 5006

Proposal Construct an aviary structure in the rear yard and the
keeping of 30 birds (predominately macaw's) for a
breeding program ? retrospective., [DA]
(F/DA/033/2012, TP)

Applicant Mr P Boon

Officer Tim Pride

Relevant Development Plan 24 February 2011

Lodgement Date 19 January 2012

Zone / Policy Area Mainstreet (Melbourne East) Zone

Public Notification Category 2

Application Type Application Assessed on Merit

Delegations Policy Unresolved Representations

Recommendation Development Plan Consent Be REFUSED

[Wayno]

Might not be the appropriate thread but I found this application amusing. Not surprised it will be refused, however it is a retrospective application so he must have been "dobbed in" by someone. Some nice pictures of the Macaws in their temporary home in the document

classic! nearmap shows the aviary 'appearing' around Dec 2011. Imagine the noise!

[AdelaideAlive]

that $20 mill from the victoria square fund would help

[rhino]

that $20 mill from the victoria square fund would help

Huh? You trolling?

[Ben]

Type: Development Application Received
Application Number: DA/293/2012
Lodgement Date: 3/05/2012
Location: Adelaide Mini Garage, 21-29 West Terrace, ADELAIDE SA 5000
Description Internal and external alterations and additions to existing motor vehicle showroom including signage.

Applicant Name:


ADELAIDE MOTORS P/L