News & Discussion: General CBD Development

[monotonehell]

I never ever knew there was a restuarant there either! Are you sure there were people downstairs trying to encourage people to go up?

I think it was a last effort to gain some custom before they gave up. They had two people down on KSW outside the glass doors with menus and a stand up sign.

[Wayno]

Cost - how is this model of development/renewal/refurbishment likely to compare to city apartments off the shelf?
No (car) parking could limit the market but this is likely to be an increasing trend in the future? Improved public transport, greater use of bicycles and scooters, a walking city with taxis, shared pool of cars for occasional use?

Car parks come up for sale now and then - circa $15-30k, otherwise you could lease. The peel street whole floor shell is priced ~$600-700k (see here). You'd probably need to spend ~$150k to make it nice.

[Will]

Excellent news!

The state government should be congratulated for all it has done in helping to make the CBD more vibrant - holiday trading, increased height restrictions, abolishing stamp duty and now a small bar licence!

From the Advertiser:

Cheaper liquor licences to encourage smaller bars across Adelaide CBD

Lauren Novak and Tim Williams
adelaidenow
November 28, 20124:08PM




Rowan Edwards and Mickael Lefevre from Udaberri bar in Leigh St are hope new licensing laws will make it easier for people to start small bars. Picture: Luke Hemer Source: adelaidenow


CHEAP new liquor licences will encourage more small bars in the city offering live entertainment, the State Government says.

EaChanges to the Liquor Licensing Act, introduced to Parliament today, would create a new, low-cost category of liquor licence for small venues with less red tape than existing laws, which often require drink service to be paired with sit-down meals or live entertainment.

The new licences would:

ALLOW small venues to open from 11am to midnight, with the ability to apply for an extension to 2am.

LIMIT the number of patrons in those venues to 120 people.

ENABLE small venues to offer live entertainment without having to apply for separate approval.

NOT permit gaming.

However, residents or others in the surrounding area would not be able to dispute the opening of a venue under the new licence.



Premier Jay Weatherill said the Government wanted to encourage more small venues in the CBD "much like Melbourne's laneway scene".

"I believe Adelaide has already begun to embrace this culture and we have had some very successful venues established over the past few years such as udaberri, Caf Troppo and Cork Wine Caf, but costs have often been barriers for young entrepreneurs.

"These reforms will make it easier for entrepreneurs to set up a variety of licensed businesses such as small specialist bars and hybrid caf bars."

Business Services and Consumers Minister John Rau said the new conditions would create a "low cost, low doc licence, ideal for start-up businesses".

"The Government has been hearing from small venue operators that the current structure of liquor licensing is inflexible and costly for their preferred business models," he said.

The Government is also pushing changes to liquor licencing which will create a new code of conduct for larger venues in a bid to stem alcohol-related violence in the city.

The code would ban shots, breakable glassware and cheap drinks in venues trading after 2am and require owners to make food available and not serve more than four drinks to a patron at a time.

After 3am, there would be a lockout stopping entry of new customers.

Mr Rau said the small bars liquor licences would cater to a different clientele to patrons who frequent larger club-like venues which would be subject to the code of conduct.

People would still have the right to make submissions to the Liquor Licensing Commissioner.

For the first year the reform would apply only to the Adelaide CBD, including the Riverbank precinct, but could be extended into the suburbs after that.

The City Messenger reported in September that the change had been outlined by government officials in a confidential briefing to City councillors.

At the time, hospitality industry figures such as Leigh St bar udaberri co-owner Rob Dinnen, who had spent more than $30,000 trying to find a liquor licence to suit his business case, said the new category would encourage more hole-in-the-wall drinking spots.

Small-bar licences already operate in Melbourne, Sydney and Western Australia

[ml69]

Excellent news!

The state government should be congratulated for all it has done in helping to make the CBD more vibrant - holiday trading, increased height restrictions, abolishing stamp duty and now a small bar licence!

From the Advertiser:

Cheaper liquor licences to encourage smaller bars across Adelaide CBD

Lauren Novak and Tim Williams
adelaidenow
November 28, 20124:08PM




Rowan Edwards and Mickael Lefevre from Udaberri bar in Leigh St are hope new licensing laws will make it easier for people to start small bars. Picture: Luke Hemer Source: adelaidenow


CHEAP new liquor licences will encourage more small bars in the city offering live entertainment, the State Government says.

EaChanges to the Liquor Licensing Act, introduced to Parliament today, would create a new, low-cost category of liquor licence for small venues with less red tape than existing laws, which often require drink service to be paired with sit-down meals or live entertainment.

The new licences would:

ALLOW small venues to open from 11am to midnight, with the ability to apply for an extension to 2am.

LIMIT the number of patrons in those venues to 120 people.

ENABLE small venues to offer live entertainment without having to apply for separate approval.

NOT permit gaming.

However, residents or others in the surrounding area would not be able to dispute the opening of a venue under the new licence.



Premier Jay Weatherill said the Government wanted to encourage more small venues in the CBD "much like Melbourne's laneway scene".

"I believe Adelaide has already begun to embrace this culture and we have had some very successful venues established over the past few years such as udaberri, Caf Troppo and Cork Wine Caf, but costs have often been barriers for young entrepreneurs.

"These reforms will make it easier for entrepreneurs to set up a variety of licensed businesses such as small specialist bars and hybrid caf bars."

Business Services and Consumers Minister John Rau said the new conditions would create a "low cost, low doc licence, ideal for start-up businesses".

"The Government has been hearing from small venue operators that the current structure of liquor licensing is inflexible and costly for their preferred business models," he said.

The Government is also pushing changes to liquor licencing which will create a new code of conduct for larger venues in a bid to stem alcohol-related violence in the city.

The code would ban shots, breakable glassware and cheap drinks in venues trading after 2am and require owners to make food available and not serve more than four drinks to a patron at a time.

After 3am, there would be a lockout stopping entry of new customers.

Mr Rau said the small bars liquor licences would cater to a different clientele to patrons who frequent larger club-like venues which would be subject to the code of conduct.

People would still have the right to make submissions to the Liquor Licensing Commissioner.

For the first year the reform would apply only to the Adelaide CBD, including the Riverbank precinct, but could be extended into the suburbs after that.

The City Messenger reported in September that the change had been outlined by government officials in a confidential briefing to City councillors.

At the time, hospitality industry figures such as Leigh St bar udaberri co-owner Rob Dinnen, who had spent more than $30,000 trying to find a liquor licence to suit his business case, said the new category would encourage more hole-in-the-wall drinking spots.

Small-bar licences already operate in Melbourne, Sydney and Western Australia

Absolutely fantastic news! Adelaide CBD will be a totally different place in around 2 years time, there now seems a tangible sense of progress in the city which hasn't happened since the late 1980's. You get the feeling that the CBD is reinventing itself and undergoing renaissance. Exciting times ahead ...

[Maximus]

Excellent news!

The state government should be congratulated for all it has done in helping to make the CBD more vibrant - holiday trading, increased height restrictions, abolishing stamp duty and now a small bar licence!

And free wifi!

High-speed wi-fi internet plans for Adelaide's public areas
Alice Higgins, Data work: Greg Barila
The Advertiser
November 27, 201210:30PM

FREE outdoor wi-fi is set to be rolled out across Adelaide city centre by the end of next year in an Australian first.

The State Government and Adelaide City Council will today unveil plans to provide the free high-speed internet access in public areas such as Rundle Mall and Victoria Square and ranging from Gouger Street to the riverbank and West Terrace to East Terrace, by the end of 2013.

more... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6525253897

[Ho Really]

Not sure that alcohol is an answer to making a place more "vibrant". From experience [that is, from what I've seen] it causes a lot of pain. I guess it's up to individual responsibility. Let's hope these small bars, etc., will be more responsible than many places that I've seen over the years. If people have food at the same venue then I would support it wholeheartedly.

As for Wi-Fi, it's neither hot or cold for me. Won't be rushing to town to use it. Last thing I want to do is surf the internet, check my mail, do my banking etc., in public. If used for school and studies then it would be good. For emergencies also. But in general it is more unwanted radiation to bear, and let's be honest, who's paying for it?

Cheers

P.S. Sorry for sounding so negative, but it's the best way to get discussion.

[dsriggs]

Not sure that alcohol is an answer to making a place more "vibrant"

It isn't alcohol that does it, it's the fact that ANYTHING is drawing people into formerly deserted areas during the evenings. Also, the rules promoting live performances at the expense of pokies are very pleasing, especially in light of the Jade Monkey business.

[Ho Really]

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promoting live performances at the expense of pokies are very pleasing, especially in light of the Jade Monkey business.

As long as the live performances don't shatter your eardrums, I'm all for it. Cafes, bistros, taverns, clubs and any other small establishment that can combine shows, food and drink in a laid back atmosphere should be encouraged. Somewhat Bohemian. That will discourage the yobbos.

Cheers

[cruel_world00]

I like this part the best:

"However, residents or others in the surrounding area would not be able to dispute the opening of a venue under the new licence."

Welcome to city living ACC residents.

[SRW]

Not sure that alcohol is an answer to making a place more "vibrant". From experience [that is, from what I've seen] it causes a lot of pain. I guess it's up to individual responsibility. Let's hope these small bars, etc., will be more responsible than many places that I've seen over the years. If people have food at the same venue then I would support it wholeheartedly.

There's generally a big difference between the Hindley Street drunk factories and the types of small bars that this category should encourage.

[Waewick]

but what would the city be without the "drunk factories" considered fairly boring I would suggest!

[mattblack]

but what would the city be without the "drunk factories" considered fairly boring I would suggest!

they wont be getting rid of the drunk factories, that would be for the teenie boppers and the kids in the twenties that thinking that they have to write themselves off to have a good nite. The new specialist bars that will pop up will service more of the older folk (30+) that would enjoy the atmosphere of a wine, whisky or absinthe bar with some acoustic guitar in the background. At the moment there is a severe lack of these kinds of establishments in the CBD so the place is generaly seen as only for smashed teenages.

Also about Wi-Fi. The CBD is the place that most business is conducted in the state. Its not being insatalled to attract people from far and wide to come into town to use the connection but more for more business transactions to beable to be made throughout the CBD over a coffee, lunch meetings, or site visits. Anything that allows this easier access to the net is vital and also benefits small business and residents.

[MessiahAndrw]

As for Wi-Fi, it's neither hot or cold for me. Won't be rushing to town to use it. Last thing I want to do is surf the internet, check my mail, do my banking etc., in public. If used for school and studies then it would be good. For emergencies also. But in general it is more unwanted radiation to bear, and let's be honest, who's paying for it

Likewise for me. Several years ago I would have loved this idea. But now that I have a smartphone so I always have e-mail and a web browser in my pocket it doesn't appeal to me.

[Reb-L]

As for Wi-Fi, it's neither hot or cold for me. Won't be rushing to town to use it. Last thing I want to do is surf the internet, check my mail, do my banking etc., in public. If used for school and studies then it would be good. For emergencies also. But in general it is more unwanted radiation to bear, and let's be honest, who's paying for it

Likewise for me. Several years ago I would have loved this idea. But now that I have a smartphone so I always have e-mail and a web browser in my pocket it doesn't appeal to me.

It's because I always have a smartphone in my pocket that I like to be in a place with Wi-Fi (so I won't blow out my monthly data allowance). Ho R asks who's paying for it - well it's not me (if it adds a few cents to my latte so be it). About the "unwanted radiation" - this is speculation, ain't it?

[Ho Really]

[...]

About the "unwanted radiation" - this is speculation, ain't it?

We're adding more and more of it to the stuff we get naturally. Guess we got to grin and bear it until it gives.

Cheers