[COM] 115 King William Street | 91m | 26lvls | Office

All high-rise, low-rise and street developments in the Adelaide and North Adelaide areas.
Message
Author
Ben
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 7577
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:46 am
Location: Adelaide

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#316 Post by Ben » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:25 pm

Thanks for reminding me of this proposal. When I go to the website www.115kws.com.au it takes me to http://www.themorningtonpeninsula.com/

:shock:

Dvious
Legendary Member!
Posts: 643
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:46 pm

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#317 Post by Dvious » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:13 pm

Definitely been canned. No listing anymore on realcommercial.com

User avatar
[Shuz]
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3307
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:26 pm

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#318 Post by [Shuz] » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:28 pm

The advertising and signage which was on the building adjacent to the Ambassador's Hotel has also been taken down. It definetly appears dead. I can only say thank god - it was ugly, too tall for the King William streetscape and had blank northern, southern and I presume, western walls. It was not a good building in any way shape or form at all.
Any views and opinions expressed are of my own, and do not reflect the views or opinions of any organisation of which I have an affiliation with.

Shahkar
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 380
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:22 am
Location: Adelaide CBD

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#319 Post by Shahkar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:43 am

[Shuz] wrote:ugly, too tall for the King William streetscape
I thought tall was needed in the city? :roll: As far as ugly, as least it's different from most of currently designed apartments?

MessiahAndrw
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 136
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:05 pm

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#320 Post by MessiahAndrw » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:51 am

Tall does not mean good. Dubai and Chicago are 'tall'. But the buildings are divided by wide roads, blank sides/backs that you have to walk the width of to get next door. They're not very good walkable urban environments.
My blog on urban design: http://www.andrewalexanderprice.com/blog.php

Shahkar
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 380
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:22 am
Location: Adelaide CBD

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#321 Post by Shahkar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:04 am

MessiahAndrw wrote:Tall does not mean good. Dubai and Chicago are 'tall'. But the buildings are divided by wide roads, blank sides/backs that you have to walk the width of to get next door. They're not very good walkable urban environments.
Point taken. But I agree with Chicago, definitely not Dubai.

User avatar
[Shuz]
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3307
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:26 pm

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#322 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:25 am

DaShyFreak wrote:
[Shuz] wrote:ugly, too tall for the King William streetscape
I thought tall was needed in the city? :roll: As far as ugly, as least it's different from most of currently designed apartments?
I agree, tall is need in the City, but not along the King William streetscape. I purposedly made that very clear in my original statement to draw the distinction between the two. I believe that it was too tall for the street it was on, and that all new structures should adhere to the former 40m height limit that has been formed along King William Street as is evident by the heightline of heritage buildings such as T&L, CML, Post Office and Town Hall.

Also, it was an office building, not apartments.
Any views and opinions expressed are of my own, and do not reflect the views or opinions of any organisation of which I have an affiliation with.

Shahkar
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 380
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:22 am
Location: Adelaide CBD

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#323 Post by Shahkar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:21 am

[Shuz] wrote:
DaShyFreak wrote:
[Shuz] wrote:ugly, too tall for the King William streetscape
I thought tall was needed in the city? :roll: As far as ugly, as least it's different from most of currently designed apartments?
I agree, tall is need in the City, but not along the King William streetscape. I purposedly made that very clear in my original statement to draw the distinction between the two. I believe that it was too tall for the street it was on, and that all new structures should adhere to the former 40m height limit that has been formed along King William Street as is evident by the heightline of heritage buildings such as T&L, CML, Post Office and Town Hall.

Also, it was an office building, not apartments.
40? Oh god :shock: As with so many other people, I think buildings complement each other when there's a difference! And yes, I do know it's an office building. I can read! *surprise* :mrgreen:

User avatar
monotonehell
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 5466
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:10 am
Location: Adelaide, East End.
Contact:

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#324 Post by monotonehell » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:22 pm

I think what [Shuz] is talking about are setbacks? Which are a good idea along a street. Canyon cities are oppressive.
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

User avatar
[Shuz]
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3307
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:26 pm

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#325 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:43 pm

monotonehell wrote:I think what [Shuz] is talking about are setbacks? Which are a good idea along a street. Canyon cities are oppressive.
I wasn't. But now that you mention setbacks, I agree that would be a much better design outcome. I do not believe 86m tall buildings right against the footpath are appropriate for the KWS streetscrape, or any for that matter. A limit of 40m, in line with the older buildings as mentioned before, and then a setback, of say 4-6m, would be ideal.

I am a huge fan of New York City's skyline and diversity of buildings, notably because many of them have setbacks. I am of the understanding that their zoning regulations allowed developers to build tall buildings, so long as they had setbacks. Whilst I do welcome the fact that the Adelaide CBD no longer has height limits in the CBD core, it would be ideal if the planning regulations had provisions in place that setbacks are required for taller buildings at certain locations.
Any views and opinions expressed are of my own, and do not reflect the views or opinions of any organisation of which I have an affiliation with.

User avatar
skyliner
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 2359
Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:16 pm
Location: fassifern (near Brisbane)

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#326 Post by skyliner » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:52 pm

As soon as I saw the renders of that building I thought 'at last!, there is a break from that 18 floor height' - added much interest to the skyline.

KWS is the main thoroughfare, and to me, if any street has taller buildings, it should be this one. I We have been moaning about the old santos building being the only real high rise for 20 years. Here we have one that similarly, would have been very obvious - but only till others are built that tall.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE
Jack.

User avatar
metro
Legendary Member!
Posts: 970
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:11 pm
Location: Sydney

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#327 Post by metro » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:48 pm

I liked this proposal because it was something thin and taller right on KWS, should have been 100m+ and maybe gone right to the corner of Waymouth and KWS, that would have been impressive and something different. Stuff the height restrictions, this city needs to change and what better place than on the kings boulevard. :cheers:

MessiahAndrw
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 136
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:05 pm

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#328 Post by MessiahAndrw » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:16 am

The setback you're talking about, I generally call a 'pedestal' building. I used the Empire State Building on my blog as an example (http://www.andrewalexanderprice.com/blog20121015.php).

If you had a straight up 100 story cement/stone wall right next to you, it would feel intimidating to say the least, and a whole block full of 100 story buildings would only allow very little light to reach through.

To get around these problems, The Empire State Building has a 6 story pedestal at the base:
Image

It doesn't feel intimidating at ground level because it blends in with the surrounding facade while letting plenty of light hit the street. But when you look up:
Image

Where the pedestal ends and the building begins is generally called a setback. But, try not to confuse it with setback which also means how far back from the road a building is. These are examples of setbacks from the road;
Image
Image
My blog on urban design: http://www.andrewalexanderprice.com/blog.php

User avatar
[Shuz]
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3307
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:26 pm

[COM] Re: APP: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#329 Post by [Shuz] » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:44 am

Thanks MessiahAndrew - a pedestal is what I meant then. :D
Any views and opinions expressed are of my own, and do not reflect the views or opinions of any organisation of which I have an affiliation with.

Ben
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 7577
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:46 am
Location: Adelaide

[COM] Re: PRO: 115 King William Street | 86m | 25lvls | Office

#330 Post by Ben » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:55 am

Seems everything old is new again. the website hasn't been update as yet as still lists completion "late 2013".
Type: Application Assessed on Merit
Application Number: DA/211/2010/A
Lodgement Date: 26/02/2014
Location: 113-115 King William Street, ADELAIDE SA 5000
Description: Vary previous authorisation to demolish existing building and construct 25 Level Office building with Ground Floor retail - VARIATION - staged consent, various amendments including revised height and facade changes.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot], Bing [Bot] and 3 guests