News & Developments: Port Adelaide

[claybro]

People seem to blur the lines a lot between what the government can do and property that is in private hands.

The government do not own shopping centres, private homes or housing developments.

There are no private homes or housing developements behind Woolworths. There is building facing Dale Street. It currently houses Uniting Care offices or did last I checked. Given the vast amount of money our government has pumped into the Port so far, and given it is in the interest of everyone that urban consolidation and renewal works well. And given this is a prime strategic site in the centre of the Port, I am sure the government can find a way to lean on the current building owner (legally) and the current shopping centre owner to enter into a financially rewarding partnership that would benefit everyone. This whole rabbit warren of disconnected precincts in the Port is a big part of the problem at present.

[Port Adelaide Fan]

Social media campaign to spruik Port Adelaide rejuvenation project

THE State Government will launch an aggressive social media campaign - using Twitter, Facebook and Instagram - in a bid to spread word about the redevelopment of Port Adelaide.

Renewal SA, the government agency responsible for plans to overhaul the Port's town centre and waterfront, has called for tenders for a 12-month contract to promote the area via social media websites.

Tender documents say the project will target ``cosmopolitans and urbanites'' - worldly and sophisticated city-dwellers who are media savvy and affluent consumers aged between 17 and 44.

The successful bidder will use social networking sites Facebook and Twitter and photo sharing site Instagram to promote government, business, council and community projects.

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[danielphin]

Not sure if this has been brought up in the thread: Port Adelaide Centre Vision and Framework

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Does anyone know what they are building on the corner of Commercial Road and Baynes Place? (near the railway station)

Got told McDonald's.

Right, it is. Its speedy rate of construction is telltale of a McDonalds. See also, the development proposal.


Some gems:

The real estate agent has expressed to the applicant that there has been
difficulty in developing and marketing residential development of this type in Port Adelaide,
and points to the problems associated with Newport Quays.

...the proposal under utilises the sites potential...

...the site is located adjacent to the Port Adelaide Railway station. The applicant’s
traffic engineer envisages that due to the close proximity of the train station, 10% of patrons
are not expected to arrive via private vehicle. require car parking and instead use the train to
travel to the restaurant...

Will people really travel by train for a burger?

[JamesXander]

What is the general feeling on this forum in regards to the tram line to Port Adelaide? Would it fix their problems? Or perhaps provide the platform for rejuvenation?



Everytime I travel to Pt Adelaide i see the potential in it. I really do. Port Road, The train line, the port itself. But it would be a HUGE task to fix everything up. I think some fundamental changes to the layout of the city centre and some of the service providers would also be needed.

[claybro]

I think a tram would help the Port. The train station seems a bit removed from the historic centre (Black Diamond) and a tram could help connect the Port CBD to Adelaide but also connect the Port to Semaphore. Would be great living in a Port appartment and be able to hop on the tram for a day at Semaphore.Trams do seem more user friendly for short hop on hop off trips. I really think something needs to be done about the area around Dale Street though. All those carparks and businesses that cater to the down and out really bring the centre of the port down and are holding it back. Also, the heritage shopfronts in St Vincent street desperately need restoring, the roadway narrowed and footpaths widened and improved, to encourage cafes etc.. I must say the Black Diamond corner building renovation was a bit of a let down. More should have been made of the heritage facades in the old shopfronts in that building, but at least it is no longer a dilapidated pigeon loft.

[PeFe]

Whilst I think a tram to Port Adelaide is a good idea (my preference would be City-Torrens Rd-Port Adelaide-Semaphore) this is not going to happen for a long long time (20/30 years).So what can be done in the short term? One hope is the current coastal gentrification ($1 million houses in Semaphore) spreads inland into Port Adelaide. The amazing turnaround of suburbs like Exeter/Largs Bay etc is certainly a good longterm omen. I would also like to see the residential population of Port Adelaide increased dramatically, and not by more unemployed/disability pensioners you see there at the moment. More young people/artists/families.
I think the area around the train station would be an ideal transit orientated development site, the 10 minute walk to the town centre would be of little consequence to new young active residents. I also like what I hear of Renewal Adelaide's(?) program to encourage the use of vacant commercial space.
And what happened to the Port Adelaide marina plan?

[[Shuz]]

I don't know the Port Adelaide/Semaphore area very well personally, however, I would be curious to know what the viability of a stand-alone tram line from Semaphore (terminus Esplanade) to Port Adelaide (terminus Grand Junction Road) - via Semaphore Road, Carlisle Street, Hart Street, St Vincent Street and Commercial Road - would be like? Rather than having a tram line all the way down Port Road/Outer Harbor train corridor - whichever option is eventually decided, if at all? I say this particurly, because the idea of tram/trains and sharing the corridor with trains has been (quietly) scrapped.

[claybro]

I don't know the Port Adelaide/Semaphore area very well personally, however, I would be curious to know what the viability of a stand-alone tram line from Semaphore (terminus Esplanade) to Port Adelaide (terminus Grand Junction Road) - via Semaphore Road, Carlisle Street, Hart Street, St Vincent Street and Commercial Road - would be like? Rather than having a tram line all the way down Port Road/Outer Harbor train corridor - whichever option is eventually decided, if at all? I say this particurly, because the idea of tram/trains and sharing the corridor with trains has been (quietly) scrapped.

In the past, Port Adelaide did have a stand alone tram system which conntect areas like Albert Park, Queenstown, Semaphore etc with the Port CBD. For this to be viable today would require the Port to once again become a proper CBD, with banks and financial/ medical and shopping etc. I really thought I might see this in my lifetime, when the Port Quays was proposed, but unfortunately it has all stalled, and West Lakes keeps expanding, and gobbling up all the services, that once the Port CBD once provided. I think the answer to it all is just massive and sustained population increase with good quality developements, not 1 bedroom dogboxes. I live in hope!

[JamesXander]

I don't think Port Adelaide is going to see gradual improvement. Indeed I think at the moment you could say it is dead, and beginning to rot. Its going to take a fundamental change to the city for a new life of sorts to begin.

To take the elements that could work and then start from scratch. Rethink the main street, the layout of services & infrastructure. potentially it could cost billions but sometimes these things pay off. Just like at Seaford, the train line extension added value to the land, which in turn was sold by the government & probably paid a large portion of the cost of construction said train line extension. Also bowden, with the tram extension and then redevelopment. The value of the land and development has increased substiainlly because of it (and so the government should)

If the state government were to purchase a large amount of land within the CBD & around it, worked in tandem with a few developers & extended the tram line, they could potentially rake in ALOT of money through land/apartment/commericial property sales. It has to be big and followed through though.

[Dvious]

Im not one to visit the Port often at all, I live on the other side of town but i went down last Sunday to the Wharf markets around Midday.

Wow, it was so quite, the whole place, minus the markets, was like a ghost town. No activity what so ever. Very disappointed.

[ml69]

I don't know the Port Adelaide/Semaphore area very well personally, however, I would be curious to know what the viability of a stand-alone tram line from Semaphore (terminus Esplanade) to Port Adelaide (terminus Grand Junction Road) - via Semaphore Road, Carlisle Street, Hart Street, St Vincent Street and Commercial Road - would be like? Rather than having a tram line all the way down Port Road/Outer Harbor train corridor - whichever option is eventually decided, if at all? I say this particurly, because the idea of tram/trains and sharing the corridor with trains has been (quietly) scrapped.

I quite like this local tramline idea ... but it should only be a medium term priority in conjunction with redeveloping the existing Port Adelaide train station as the focus a fully-fledged TOD.

The government should strategically purchase the industrial land around the station (wouldn't cost too much), and develop AFFORDABLE medium and high density options (2-4 stories). Like Bowden but less dense. This would improve the viability of the nearby shopping centre and possibly lead to the opening of new shops.

The Port train station would then be the hub/interchange for the existing train line to the Adelaide CBD, and well-timed tram connections through central Port Adelaide onto Semaphore. Would save a lot of money compared to tramline all the way to the city.

This would be quite an appealing lifestyle option I would think to be near modern train station with shopping nearby, then be a short tram ride to Semaphore. It could really help redefine and rejuvenate the Port Adelaide area.

[Goya's Line]

Waterside Workers Hall (Vitalstatistix) re-opened last Sunday with a wedding reception and it looks great. These understated buildings and more obvious historical landmarks are the difference between the Port and Glenelg for me - the Bay has surrendered it's character to private, largely unattainable development while Port Adelaide can still save what remains. I wonder if Renew Adelaide incentives could extend to higher profile, regular music events? Semaphore Festival seems to get bigger each year and the area is known for it's musical legacy.

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...the site is located adjacent to the Port Adelaide Railway station. The applicant’s
traffic engineer envisages that due to the close proximity of the train station, 10% of patrons
are not expected to arrive via private vehicle. require car parking and instead use the train to
travel to the restaurant...

Will people really travel by train for a burger?

Could be commuters on their way home?

[claybro]

In light of recent tragic events in Texas, I think it is paramount the government act immediately to assist with the move of the fetiliser factory adjacent to the inner Port. Surely a place could be found for this near a country port? I am not sure of the logistics of this industry, where the raw materials come from, how transported etc, but before we get twisted up about 5 storey buildings along main roads, we should be more concerned with moving the fertiliser and cement factories and finishing developement at the port. This would lessen the need for main road "towers" for at least a decade or so.

[Hooligan]

In light of recent tragic events in Texas, I think it is paramount the government act immediately to assist with the move of the fetiliser factory adjacent to the inner Port. Surely a place could be found for this near a country port?

so we could instead blow up a country port?

[claybro]

by Hooligan » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:53 pm

claybro wrote:In light of recent tragic events in Texas, I think it is paramount the government act immediately to assist with the move of the fetiliser factory adjacent to the inner Port. Surely a place could be found for this near a country port?

so we could instead blow up a country port?

With all due respect Hooligan, that is rediculous. These industries have to be somewhere, and as they have to import/export to thier facilities, it has to be near rail and sea transport. A country port would have nowhere near the population density of the Le Fevre Peninsula and would pose less of a risk in the event of an unfortunate accident.