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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#391 Post by Vee » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:49 am

Excellent article by Michael Roddan in BRW, based on comments by Urban Planning expert, Dr Alan March.
Dr March questions the wisdom of infrastructure spending with a major focus on roads, rather than public transport (and other infrastructure spending eg health, education).
Part of the BRW article is reproduced below.
Experts question Coalition's roads investment plan.
...incoming Treasurer, Joe Hockey has announced plans to stimulate the jobs market with increased investment into roads infrastructure over the next 12 to 18 months.

But an urban planning expert has warned that building roads will cost the economy, too – in a very different way.

The Coalition comes to office on the back of plans to fund big-ticket road projects such as Melbourne’s East-West Link and the WestConnex tunnel in Sydney.

But the Coalition’s electoral commitment to building “the roads of the 21st Century” comes at a questionable time, says Dr Alan March, associate dean of Melbourne University’s planning faculty, who argues more investment in public transport is required.

“An economy based on roads is an expensive way to run an economy,” says March. “Our old transport services don’t match our current business interests.”

New figures from the NSW Government Bureau of Transport Statistics show public transport journeys are becoming the first choice for more people. Trips made by train have increased by 23 per cent in the decade to 2012, while car trips increased by only 6 per cent. Bus travel also grew by 16 per cent.

March says there’s a clear shortfall in Australian cities in investing in infrastructure, particularly in public transport, but also in public hospitals and schools.

When you add together all of the different factors, says March, investing purely in roads is not a sensible approach. He points to factors such as peak oil, with continually increasing petrol prices, Australia’s large carbon footprint, and problems with our changing demographics.

Australia’s aging population will mean that fewer people will be able to drive in the future, not to mention health issues associated with increased commutes, such as obesity and diabetes, March says.
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To sum up:
Just investing in freeways is misguided, reckons March. “It’s easier in the short term, but it never fixes transport problems in the long term. If we’re building a car-based city, we’ll miss other opportunities and our cities become less fair – it becomes harder to provide everyone the same opportunities.
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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#392 Post by Rene » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:40 pm

Re the gantries on South Road and Ocean Boulevard, there's an article in this week's Southern Times confirming that they're part of the Safe T Cam network and are expected to go live sometime in October 2013. Their main purpose apparently is to monitor unregistered motor vehicles and motor vehicles of interest (stolen, etc.) Another unit is earmarked for the Southern Expressway once the duplication has been completed.

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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#393 Post by Vee » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:45 pm

Long range transport planning/integrated transport in Australia should include options for charging electric vehicles.
What provisions are being made for charging solutions for electric vehicles in Australian transport planning, as and when, electric vehicles become more mainstream (if/when incentives offered by government(s)?)

Interesting report on electric vehicles and also charging station/options and issues.
Trial complete: electric vehicles can work in Australia

In particular...
When are cars charged?
We were particularly interested in what time of day drivers charged their cars. This determines how much renewable energy can be used for charging (to make an EV really emission-free) and whether electricity utilities have to worry about an increase of peak demand in the future, when there might be millions of EVs.
The Conversation
http://theconversation.com/trial-comple ... alia-18843

The EU has stolen a march on many other parts of the globe with this resolution to support convenient charging of EVs.
New EU Law to Create Massive Electric Vehicle Charging Grid Throughout Europe by 2020

The European Parliament just passed a resolution this week that will require member states to install a specified number of electric vehicle charging stations and hydrogen and natural gas stations by 2020. Germany will set its target to 86,000, Italy will install 72,000, and the UK is planning to build a minimum of 70,000 EV recharging points. This directive will help reduce dependence on fossil fuels and achieve a 60% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from transportion by 2050.
http://zite.to/1im9rW4

Another interesting take on EVs, including standardization and potential of '2-way chargers'?
Electric Vehicles: Mobile Agents of the Grid Edge
The interest in decoupling transportation from fossil fuel consumption is primarily driven by environmental and economic motives, but grid-edge considerations focus on the system benefits of a large EV fleet.

Instead of creating additional peaks by simultaneous charging of large numbers of vehicles, electric cars could make use of excess wind power at night, serve as mobile storage devices, and create new revenue streams for car owners. The EV market segment includes plug-in hybrid and electric-only EVs, vehicle-to-grid technologies, and smart charging solutions.
http://zite.to/1im9rW4

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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#394 Post by neoballmon » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:07 pm

Went camping over the long weekend, out near Burra.
On the way up, at the turn off from Horrocks Highway to Barrier Highway, they're doing roadworks, with the side of the road excavated. Seems life they're finally putting in a turn right Lane. I think this is long overdue and I hate to think how many rear end collisions have occurred here...
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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#395 Post by Will » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:11 pm

neoballmon wrote:Went camping over the long weekend, out near Burra.
On the way up, at the turn off from Horrocks Highway to Barrier Highway, they're doing roadworks, with the side of the road excavated. Seems life they're finally putting in a turn right Lane. I think this is long overdue and I hate to think how many rear end collisions have occurred here...
Good news! That intersection is a death-trap

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#396 Post by Heardy_101 » Tue May 27, 2014 10:41 pm

Will wrote:
neoballmon wrote:Went camping over the long weekend, out near Burra.
On the way up, at the turn off from Horrocks Highway to Barrier Highway, they're doing roadworks, with the side of the road excavated. Seems life they're finally putting in a turn right Lane. I think this is long overdue and I hate to think how many rear end collisions have occurred here...
Good news! That intersection is a death-trap
Intersection all complete now. Looks better and easier to navigate.

There was talk of a "high speed roundabout" a few years back, but this option was the better one.
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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#397 Post by Wayno » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:49 pm

A thoughtful article from InDaily:
Adelaide’s looming traffic gridlock

Adelaide’s traffic congestion has been steadily increasing over the past decade, and there’s no indication that this trend is going to end.

Our response as a city, with a few exceptions, has been either to bury our head in the sand or blame delays on everything but the obvious problem – there are too many cars on the roads.

Last week, a comprehensive and sensible examination of the problem by a local planning consultancy was sunk by a debate about one of the outside options they put on the table – a congestion tax.

Meanwhile, the Property Council and its fellow travellers continue a one-note campaign against the State Government’s poorly sold car park tax.

The general views seems to be that Adelaide doesn’t have a congestion problem or, if it does, it is entirely due to crazy new-fangled ideas like bus lanes, bike lanes and price signals.

Both views are wrong – and will cost us dearly in the long run.

We either address the problem sensibly, or face the prospect of creating an unliveable city.

The turning of the screw

The RAA’s surveys of travel times show that, like a frog in a slowly heating pot, Adelaide might end up being cooked by congestion before we’ve even properly recognised the problem.

It’s latest survey shows that over the past decade travel times have gradually increased. For inbound trips during the morning peak, Adelaide motorists are taking an average of 2 minutes 43 seconds longer than 10 years ago. The afternoon peak figures are very similar – these trips are taking an extra 2 minutes and 53 seconds.

The change is large enough to be annoying, but not quite inconvenient enough to encourage us to consider changing the way we manage our city.

As a recent report on traffic congestion by planning consultancy InfraPlan points out, the bad news is that once a city reaches near-capacity levels on the roads, congestion and travel times begin to rise exponentially as you add more traffic.

The Government’s 30-year plan envisages that the local employment base could grow by 50,000 workers by 2038 – which is a possibility given the city grew its population at twice that annual rate in just a decade. That would mean about 42,000 more car parks and 84,000 more car trips in and out of the city.

“That could not happen without peak periods being in constant gridlock for up to two hours,” InfraPlan warns.

Like most Adelaide policy-makers and decision-makers, the RAA’s solution is basically to build bigger and better roads. The Property Council’s sole idea seems to be – don’t have a car park tax.

But there is another way – a comprehensive solution – as outlined by InfraPlan, which deserves closer consideration.

What won’t work

InfraPlan argues that a push to increase city car parks and wind back the number of bus and bike lanes in Adelaide’s CBD would be “a disaster for the city economy and social well-being of its residents”.

Its discussion paper points to one central conclusion – Adelaide needs to reduce its dependency on cars.

The city’s relationship with car commuters has become the focus of political attention, with city councillor Mark Hamilton launching a campaign for the lord mayorship based on a platform of limiting bike lanes, removing bus priority lanes and building new car parks.

The InfraPlan paper attacks this agenda head-on.

George Giannakodakis, managing director of InfraPlan, said input from transport and urban planning professionals in the city transport debate had been “conspicuously absent”.

“The city of Adelaide supports a heavily car dependent metropolitan workforce, in fact one of the most car dependent in the western world,” he said.

“This is largely driven by it having some of the cheapest and most plentiful car parking (70,000) compared to other cities (Adelaide’s is up to 300% cheaper and has 300% more parks per 1000 employees when compared to Sydney). This may explain why it is the most car dependent capital city in Australia and one of the most resilient to change.”

Remove/redirect ‘through’ traffic from the city

About a quarter of the city’s traffic – or 55,000 car trips out of a daily total of 220,000 – use the city as a convenient through route.

Surprisingly, many of these trips are made by inner-suburban residents – not those who live further out.

The solution includes fixing Adelaide’s ring road, but that so far elusive task must be accompanied by other measures including stemming falling public transport patronage, and encouraging more people to cycle or walk.

If Adelaide wants to sustain the rate of car dependence that it has enjoyed for the past four decades, “it has to be prepared to accept the consequences”, InfraPlan warns.

And these consequences would be very ugly indeed for the character of Adelaide’s inner suburbs.

“This includes a return to the road building program of the 1980s to widen several inner suburban key roads and established main streets that lead into the city. Current urban design principles to return the road reserve to main street activity would be compromised. One would suggest this would be a dividing community issue.”

Just quietly.

Reduce city workers’ car dependence

The biggest impact on city traffic congestion comes from the 120,000 workers who converge on the city each day, half of whom use a car.

This is very high by Australian standards. ABS stats show that 49 per cent of us travel to work by car – this compared to 40 per cent in Melbourne, 38 per cent in Brisbane and 18 per cent in Sydney. Even car-loving Perth has a rate of 45 per cent, significantly lower than Adelaide.

One of the factors encouraging all these drivers is Adelaide’s car parking – the cheapest and most plentiful by far of the major capitals.

Adelaide has 244 off-street car parks per 1000 workers – way ahead of every other Australian city.

“Cheap and plentiful car parking may work for a suburban shopping centre but it is a significant challenge for a growing capital that needs to cater for a growing resident, employment and student base. Adelaide simply cannot continue to develop and provide even more cheap car parking without driving city streets to a point of gridlock,” InfraPlan says.

In fact, traffic engineers would have expected Adelaide to be in much worse shape by now, given the increase in city population – but increased rates of cycling and walking have kept gridlock at bay.

The roads have a finite capacity – the answer is to use the space better.

Move more people than vehicles

There are only three options for reducing congestion – widen roads and build freeways, find more efficient ways for move the same amount of people, or a mix of both.

One bus can replace up to 30-40 cars and one tram up to 150-300 cars. Four bikes take up as much room as one car.

All of these options actually free up space on the roads for cars.

It should be a no-brainer.

InfraPlan argues that before the Currie/Grenfell street bike lanes were introduced, the corridor catered for up to 85% of its traffic in cars, which moved only 25% of the people. It wasn’t efficient and, without a bus lane, congestion was about to get a lot worse.

Bus and tram lanes are “essential”, but “Adelaide appears to be defying the (global) trend with its reaction to bus lanes”.

“This may come back to how ingrained car dependency really is in Adelaide, driven by factors such as the ability to access cheap and plentiful car parking.”

Promote and fund public transport

Planning and investment needs to shift towards developing a transport network to cater for an increased number of people movements.

InfraPlan argues that private car travel has a significantly greater infrastructure impact on cities compared to buses, bicycles and pedestrians because it requires more road space (widening roads) to move a smaller number of people (as most car trips to the city involve single occupants).

In summary – increasing public transport use will ease congestion and reduce the expensive and potentially divisive options of widening inner-suburban and city roads.

Last year, the Government belatedly created a plan to modernise our transport system – including an O-Bahn tunnel and other improved bus infrastructure and a rebuilt tram network. The question now is how they will fund it.

Moving on

Whether we like it or not, Adelaide’s dependence on the car will come to a crunch.

The challenge for the debate in Adelaide is for everyone to lift their heads beyond a reductive debate about taxes or sectoral interests and look at the bigger picture.

If we don’t, the cost of the car park tax could be but a tiny proportion of what we will end up paying – economically and socially.

For the full InfraPlan paper, go here.
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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#398 Post by monotonehell » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:53 pm

It's amazing how many problems are debated in public by people offering no evidence of their assertions these days. Often these "solutions" are exactly the opposite of what is needed if the evidence is examined.

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#399 Post by Torrens_5022 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:59 am

There's good points in there - the bus lanes are a good idea but really badly planned and implemented, an example Currie Street heading east there's a normal traffic lane then a bus lane then a bus stop that morphs into a left turning lane into Morphett Street - removing this stop (C1 on Currie street) would be the best option you get cars turning left mixed in with buses in both the bus lane and bus stop, which is very confusing and dangerous, especially in peak hour. Thing like this need to be addressed, simple solutions like moving bus stops would help traffic flow.
Also the 1/4 of traffic that uses the city as a through route needs to be addressed, it's not always logical to use the "ring route" eg traveling Henley Beach Rd to The Parade, maybe have a east-west and north-south corridor with better signals making it quicker even if it's longer then the most direct route. Also you would have the bus lanes and east-west and north-south routes on different roads - also separate from the bike corridors. eg Grote is cars and Franklin is buses........... moving the buses 100m north to Franklin could work it's still only 100m from the markets, many Vic square bus stops are further then this.........

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#400 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:02 am

I've always believed Pirie / Waymouth Streets should have been the one closed off to traffic and be the bus-only boulevard with 'super-stops' instead of Currie/Grenfell Streets. Currie and Grenfell is the major east west corridor for people travelling from the Parade to Henley Beach.
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#401 Post by monotonehell » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:41 am

Torrens_5022 wrote:...it's not always logical to use the "ring route" eg traveling Henley Beach Rd to The Parade...
Just for fun I plugged this route into Google Maps. In current traffic conditions (09:30) it predicts travelling via North Tce or Grote & Wakefield Streets to take 26 minutes. Or to take Greenhill road, 28 minutes.

Interesting.
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#402 Post by Wayno » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:36 pm

monotonehell wrote:It's amazing how many problems are debated in public by people offering no evidence of their assertions these days. Often these "solutions" are exactly the opposite of what is needed if the evidence is examined.

:roll:
Hey Mono, is the :roll: above in response to the InDaily/InfraPlan article and paper? or the minutiae-focused discussion observed elsewhere (e.g. In the Ragvertiser and some corners of the S-A forum)?
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#403 Post by monotonehell » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:50 pm

Wayno wrote:
monotonehell wrote:It's amazing how many problems are debated in public by people offering no evidence of their assertions these days. Often these "solutions" are exactly the opposite of what is needed if the evidence is examined.

:roll:
Hey Mono, is the :roll: above in response to the InDaily/InfraPlan article and paper? or the minutiae-focused discussion observed elsewhere (e.g. In the Ragvertiser and some corners of the S-A forum)?
I was directing my eye rolls at the "Property Council and its fellow travellers" as well as many others who espouse solutions that are in fact problems. I'm becoming sick of the disregard for science in all facets of society these days.
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Re: News & Discussion: Transport Projects

#404 Post by metro » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:59 am

Looks like electronic signs that our train, tram, bus stations should have, but don't, is being put on the roads instead. Anyone with access to a phone with Google Maps gives a fairly accurate display of traffic and can usually plan the fastest route, peak hour Adelaide traffic isn't even that bad FFS. How about the DPTI get the massive electronic road signs they've already got (which i've never seen used for years) to tell motorists of delays/accidents/roadworks on certain routes and which roads are less congested like they do over in Sydney.



they cant even give us accurate "real-time" info for Adelaide Metro and that's with a limited number of government owned vehicles operating on set routes/tracks equipped with special tracking equipment, if they cant get that right then how the fk are they going to get it to work for the open roads with private cars?? :roll:

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#405 Post by neoballmon » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:31 am

Ah, so this is what all those signs around the Southern Expressway are for. I thought it seemed a bit much for closure details in so many locations.
Will be good to see it in full force if the trial goes well, assuming they can get it right.
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