News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

[[Shuz]]

My understanding is that the medium term plan is to make Bank, Peel, Bentham and Pitt Streets pedestrian only.

[david]

Council is looking at Peel Street now and I would hope that we would kick the cars out, except for access to some off-street parks which I think still exist there.

Bank St will continue as it is until the end of 2015 and I suspect that the likely future would be for a shared zone approach along the lines of Hindley St West which has just been completed.

Bentham and Pitt I would think are a fair while further away in time. A clean up would be good and some creative street art might be a place-making project following on from Topham Mall which is being designed for a make-over as I write!

David

[rev]

Can't help but laugh at the council.
They've now decided to remove their ridiculous 2 hour parking restrictions in North Adelaide.
Because..get this...traders have asked for it and they (the council) are listening.
It's only taken them the better part of the past 8 months.

Traders were asking for the restrictions to be removed DURING the football season. So they can capitalize on the 40,000+ average influx of people to the city every weekend.
What good is it now when the season us over and there is 1 home and away season match left and at best 2 finals games?

What this really is is the council showing it's true colours again.
They were dead set against the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval, dead ser against the footbridge saying it would be a waste of money and a white elephant.
When they were proven wrong they slapped North Adelaide traders in the face with unrealistic parking restrictions.

And now that footy season is over and those "feral football fans" who don't live in North Adelaide are almost gone, they lift restrictions.

Oh when will the day come when the state government strips these clowns of everything except rubbish collection.

[mshagg]

Can't help but laugh at the council.
They've now decided to remove their ridiculous 2 hour parking restrictions in North Adelaide.
Because..get this...traders have asked for it and they (the council) are listening.
It's only taken them the better part of the past 8 months.

Traders were asking for the restrictions to be removed DURING the football season. So they can capitalize on the 40,000+ average influx of people to the city every weekend.
What good is it now when the season us over and there is 1 home and away season match left and at best 2 finals games?

What this really is is the council showing it's true colours again.
They were dead set against the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval, dead ser against the footbridge saying it would be a waste of money and a white elephant.
When they were proven wrong they slapped North Adelaide traders in the face with unrealistic parking restrictions.

And now that footy season is over and those "feral football fans" who don't live in North Adelaide are almost gone, they lift restrictions.

Oh when will the day come when the state government strips these clowns of everything except rubbish collection.

Because there's no public transport options to get to the footy?

Apart from the tram. Apart from the train. Apart from the free buses which, when parked during the game, extend from one end of west terrace to the other.

[jk1237]

Can't help but laugh at the council.
They've now decided to remove their ridiculous 2 hour parking restrictions in North Adelaide.
Because..get this...traders have asked for it and they (the council) are listening.
It's only taken them the better part of the past 8 months.

Traders were asking for the restrictions to be removed DURING the football season. So they can capitalize on the 40,000+ average influx of people to the city every weekend.
What good is it now when the season us over and there is 1 home and away season match left and at best 2 finals games?

What this really is is the council showing it's true colours again.
They were dead set against the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval, dead ser against the footbridge saying it would be a waste of money and a white elephant.
When they were proven wrong they slapped North Adelaide traders in the face with unrealistic parking restrictions.

And now that footy season is over and those "feral football fans" who don't live in North Adelaide are almost gone, they lift restrictions.

Oh when will the day come when the state government strips these clowns of everything except rubbish collection.

not sure what the city council has done wrong here Rev. This is quite a silly rant.

This year has been a huge trial and error regarding everything to do with the AO due to the unknown of it being new. Feedback/evidence has now provided whats worked and what hasn't in regards to transport and planning. You can't do this after 1 match, it takes virtually most of the season to see how it all goes. The necessary parking restrictions arguably caused far more people to use PT than expected which is a great thing. Reducing the parking limits in North Adelaide to attract a few people to O'Connell St traders is good, but I personally don't want them lessened too much. As mshagg points out, there are many PT options

[rev]

Because there's no public transport options to get to the footy?

Apart from the tram. Apart from the train. Apart from the free buses which, when parked during the game, extend from one end of west terrace to the other.

What if there is no nearby public transport near my home?
What if I want to go somewhere after the game beyond the city that has no public transport connection?
What if I want to go shopping before a game in the city, what if that Saturday is my only day off?
What if I have children and don't fancy getting onto a bus that's packed to capacity and then some?

not sure what the city council has done wrong here Rev. This is quite a silly rant.

This year has been a huge trial and error regarding everything to do with the AO due to the unknown of it being new. Feedback/evidence has now provided whats worked and what hasn't in regards to transport and planning. You can't do this after 1 match, it takes virtually most of the season to see how it all goes. The necessary parking restrictions arguably caused far more people to use PT than expected which is a great thing. Reducing the parking limits in North Adelaide to attract a few people to O'Connell St traders is good, but I personally don't want them lessened too much. As mshagg points out, there are many PT options

The error they made was evident long ago. If you couldn't see that then you're the silly one.
The North Adelaide traders who were telling them of their error, weren't being listened to. Now muppets like Moran are saying they are listening to them. It's a bit late you waste of oxygen.

They waited until the end of the football season to fix their error.
But the people they claim to be listening to, wont see any extra benefit from it now.
Every weekend during the season there has been an extra 40,000+, on average, in the city. That's a whopping missed opportunity for those traders because the city council are so anti-progress.

I bet you next year there will be some other equally stupid measures put in place to hinder people coming to the area.
That is the way of the Adelaide City Council.


Ps, how are people like Moran and that other guy, still getting elected?
Surely there's enough progressively minded people in the CBD now to vote them out?

[Wayno]

Rev, aggressive posts don't help. As we know the ACC (via David P) monitors this thread. Why you chose not to politely engage in dialog on the parking restrictions topic is unclear? It's a reasonable question and we'll benefit by gaining insight beyond the typically scant & sensationalist media reporting.

David, would appreciate your comments please.

Rev, would appreciate an increased degree of stoicism in your posts.

[mshagg]

What if there is no nearby public transport near my home?
What if I want to go somewhere after the game beyond the city that has no public transport connection?
What if I want to go shopping before a game in the city, what if that Saturday is my only day off?
What if I have children and don't fancy getting onto a bus that's packed to capacity and then some?

You still have plenty of options if you *insist* on using your car - mixed mode transport via a park and ride, paid parking in retail precincts etc.

As above, seem like reasonable questions to put to the council about the change but the point gets lost when it comes across as a veiled excuse to sink the boot into area councillors.

[rev]

What if there is no nearby public transport near my home?
What if I want to go somewhere after the game beyond the city that has no public transport connection?
What if I want to go shopping before a game in the city, what if that Saturday is my only day off?
What if I have children and don't fancy getting onto a bus that's packed to capacity and then some?

You still have plenty of options if you *insist* on using your car - mixed mode transport via a park and ride, paid parking in retail precincts etc.

As above, seem like reasonable questions to put to the council about the change but the point gets lost when it comes across as a veiled excuse to sink the boot into area councillors.

What's wrong with exercising my option to drive into the city and park?
What If I just don't want to use public transport? Is this a dictatorship?

I've listed some quick reasons why some people may not be able or want to use PT. There's many more reasons why not everyone wants to use PT.
I'm all for better public transport networks. Doesn't mean I ever want to use PT.

[Nathan]

What's wrong with exercising my option to drive into the city and park?
What If I just don't want to use public transport? Is this a dictatorship?

I've listed some quick reasons why some people may not be able or want to use PT. There's many more reasons why not everyone wants to use PT.
I'm all for better public transport networks. Doesn't mean I ever want to use PT.

No one is stopping you exercising your option to drive into the city and park, but like all choices, it comes with it's own set of pros and cons. What you're arguing for is having all of the pros of driving to the city, without any of the cons (such as where and how long you can park). It doesn't work like that.

[rev]

What's wrong with exercising my option to drive into the city and park?
What If I just don't want to use public transport? Is this a dictatorship?

I've listed some quick reasons why some people may not be able or want to use PT. There's many more reasons why not everyone wants to use PT.
I'm all for better public transport networks. Doesn't mean I ever want to use PT.

No one is stopping you exercising your option to drive into the city and park, but like all choices, it comes with it's own set of pros and cons. What you're arguing for is having all of the pros of driving to the city, without any of the cons (such as where and how long you can park). It doesn't work like that.

I actually park In the multi storey car parks not on the street. And there's a group of 5 of us who take turns driving.

Actually you misunderstand what I'm saying all together.
If that's not how it works then why did they impose 2 hour restrictions(footy games are longer)?
I'm well aware the risk you take of leaving your car in a ticketed park longer then the ticket states. The issue isn't that they issue tickets.
What about people who weren't going to go to the footy?
Where parking inspectors magically to know who was parked for the footy and who wasn't?
It didn't just affect football spectators.

The majority of people won't park hundreds of meters away or more and walk to an eatery or shop.
If people can't park in front or nearby they won't go.
Traders reported how quiet the place became. Many people In the general public also commented on the same thing.

But the bottom line is, this was a measure aimed against football in the city. A concept which the council was against from the start.

The restrictions were like a spoiled child who couldn't get its way anymore so decided to try spoil it for everyone else. They failed because by the end of this weekend a million people will have passed through the gates since March.

If I was a local rate payer I'd be asking since the council is so opposed to Adelaide Oval and AFL, what their plans are to inject even half as much life into the city as the tens of thousands of extra people have every weekend all winter longer. What are their plans for increased national exposure.

You see Nathan and others, it's far more complex then just simply about where Rev will park his car.

Let's remember what else they said about It before construction...it will ruin the park lands.

[Nathan]

From memory, the council was largely supportive of the Adelaide Oval development, but with some reservations.

The 2hr restrictions were put in place in the belief that it would discourage people going to the football, but leave the parks for people going to businesses and restaurants in North Adelaide. Obviously 2hrs isn't enough for some people to dine out, but if it was increased to the next step up (3 hours) then you would be getting the parks taken by the crowd. It's a tough balance, and getting it right is not obvious and involves some amount of trial and error.

[jk1237]

But the bottom line is, this was a measure aimed against football in the city. A concept which the council was against from the start.

The restrictions were like a spoiled child who couldn't get its way anymore so decided to try spoil it for everyone else. They failed because by the end of this weekend a million people will have passed through the gates since March.

If I was a local rate payer I'd be asking since the council is so opposed to Adelaide Oval and AFL, what their plans are to inject even half as much life into the city as the tens of thousands of extra people have every weekend all winter longer. What are their plans for increased national exposure.

what crap, the ACC were simply against cars clogging up North Adelaide streets (with good reason considering Rev's ultra right wing - its not possible to leave your house in anything but a car, I wont be seen dead on public transport attitude is multiplied by thousands across our city). However far more people have been taking PT than first thought, which is quite encouraging.

No one's stopping you driving your beloved car into the CBD, you just simply need to pay a rightful premium

[rev]

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But the bottom line is, this was a measure aimed against football in the city. A concept which the council was against from the start.

The restrictions were like a spoiled child who couldn't get its way anymore so decided to try spoil it for everyone else. They failed because by the end of this weekend a million people will have passed through the gates since March.

If I was a local rate payer I'd be asking since the council is so opposed to Adelaide Oval and AFL, what their plans are to inject even half as much life into the city as the tens of thousands of extra people have every weekend all winter longer. What are their plans for increased national exposure.

what crap, the ACC were simply against cars clogging up North Adelaide streets (with good reason considering Rev's ultra right wing - its not possible to leave your house in anything but a car, I wont be seen dead on public transport attitude is multiplied by thousands across our city). However far more people have been taking PT than first thought, which is quite encouraging.

No one's stopping you driving your beloved car into the CBD, you just simply need to pay a rightful premium

For everyone's benefit including your own, highlight where in my posts I've shown any grievance with paying to park my car.

Sorry that I don't find public transport appealing or appropriate for my tranaport needs. Forgive me for this deadly sin.


I'll forgive you for just assuming that everyone lives next to a bus tram or train stop/station like you obviously do.
Don't worry about asking where the nearest train station is, about a 25min walk. By the time i get there I'd have driven into the city and parked and be doing whatever i was there to do.
Don't worry about asking whether there's a nearby or direct to the city bus stop, I'd have to catch two buses and it would take longer via bus then by car.
Don't worry if there's any park and rides nearby. Closest by car would be Hindmarsh, but if I'm going to drive to the city fringe why battle to try find a car park in an over crowded car park when I can drive 5 minutes more and park my car and go about my business?

So you see just because it's convenient for you or you go out of your way doesn't mean it's convenient for everyone else.

[rev]

From memory, the council was largely supportive of the Adelaide Oval development, but with some reservations.

The 2hr restrictions were put in place in the belief that it would discourage people going to the football, but leave the parks for people going to businesses and restaurants in North Adelaide. Obviously 2hrs isn't enough for some people to dine out, but if it was increased to the next step up (3 hours) then you would be getting the parks taken by the crowd. It's a tough balance, and getting it right is not obvious and involves some amount of trial and error.

Yes, they always say they are for this for that. Largely supportive, so long as their demands are met.
It was their claim AO would ruin the park lands because from memory, it would be taller them the trees.
In other words they don't want a 50,000 capacity stadium because they don't want all these suburbanites who dirty up the place invading their little exclusive bubble of self entitlement.

Weren't they also against the idea of other parking alternatives around the oval and closer to it?