Beer Garden

[Aidan]

Remember those instant pizza vending machines they tried a few years ago?

It did not end well.

With such limited choice I'm not surprised.
A long time ago I saw on TV a machine that actually made pizzas to order. 'Tis slightly disappointing that I've never actually encountered one.

[The Scooter Guy]

Last chances for Dairy Bell!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 7180502704

[rev]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/map/where-au ... n-adelaide

SBS has put together some maps showing the top three birth countries of immigrants in each area all across Australia.
If you zoom out on the maps you'll be able to see the rest of Australia as well.

[Nathan]

I was looking at that map and thinking 'wow, why are people from the Netherlands so attracted to the rural east of SA', and then I checked the numbers and saw for Marama, that equated to a single family of 4 people.

[rev]

Following on from the Adelaide Uni Med school building thread..so it isn't derailed.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4748&start=135

I think what rev meant was a multi-function covered sports stadium, entertainment centre, hotels and casino. Not the entertainment you see in Hindley Street.

Cheers

That's what I meant, along with cafes, restaurants, bars. Things for people to do, to go and enjoy their time in Adelaide.
Typically I'll cop a backlash for stating the truth though. Let the fun begin

The casino redevelopment is going to be a massive let down as well, for anyone whose thinking that's going to improve things for the Torrens precinct overall.

Take a look at an aerial of the torrens area...it's disgraceful.
The (morphett)bridge is disgusting.
The banks of the torrens are disgusting.
Is it in middle of a capital city or is it the banks of the murray up stream somewhere in the middle of nowhere?

The Torrens precinct should have been taken as an opportunity to change the face of Adelaide and it's image.
It's been pointed out before that most postcard shots of Adelaide are across the Torrens facing the City. The same tired old post card.

Whether it's Southbank in Melbourne, Darling Harbor in Sydney, Southbank in Brisbane, there's dozens of bars, cafes, restaurants, places to shop, etc. Things for people to go out and do.

Adelaide's Torrens precinct? Zilch. Nada. A big nothing.

The dozen or so small bars(what is the number actually?) that have popped up around the city are proof that if you build it, they will come. Imagine a concentration of bars cafes and restaurants along the torrens. And I don't mean simply banging out a few buildings or extensions or refits to existing buildings, but redeveloping the entire torrens "lake" area and turning it into a water front you'd expect to find in a big city not a town on the murray river.


Oh but it's ok people because between February 13th and March 15th we have a couple festivals and people will be out and about for a whole month.
Go back to sleep for the rest of the year, don't want to throw a hip out.


Don't get me wrong the developments underway and planned for the torrens are good developments, nothing against them happening. Just in the wrong locations.
They want to build a huge park, a type of central park thing, along the Torrens..why isn't that being done along the eastern and southern parklands? That's a far more ideal location for it and it would draw in far more users given there's suburbs directly opposite them and residential areas in the city on the other side.
They could have built the hospital and bio-medical precinct anywhere. Such as the south western corner of the parklands that's divided by Anzac Hwy.
Majority of it is dead grass and netball courts that could be moved closer to Etsa Park where there's already a heap of outdoor courts.

Someone will inevitably say public transport is closer on North Tce. I say, yeh and? The train line runs past the south west parklands anyway. There's many possibilities and ideas and visions that could have happened. But instead nobody wants to think outside the box, nobody dares, nobody demands or expects the best, because everyone is happy with mediocre results.


Adelaide will never change and become a big city because people in this state are content with being a big country town. They are happy with mediocre at best.
You're all kidding your selves if you think Adelaide can compete with other cities in this country. Even Perth is leaving us for dead in the middle of a mining downturn.

[[Shuz]]

oh stfu rev. such a negative nancy.

[rev]

oh stfu rev. such a negative nancy.

Don't like what someone posts? Don't read it.
Don't want to see someones posts? Learn to use the ignore feature.
Otherwise take your own advice.

[Will]

Rev, if someone unfamiliar with Adelaide were to read your post, they would be under the impression that we do not have any cafes, restaurants or bars. As people who live here, we know this to be false, hence I am perplexed why you think it is so visionary to create more of what we already have. Adelaide, already has plenty of cafes, restaurants and bars. The only problem is that they are in places like Rundle Street, Gouger Street, Hutt Street and the Parade. What is stopping locals and visitors alike visiting and enjoying themselves in the cafes, restaurants and bars we already have in established dining and entertainment precincts? Why do you think people will enjoy eating and drinking more if they are instead in some shiny new precinct? Indeed, using Melbourne as an example, I always chose to eat in established precincts and laneways as opposed to places like Docklands, because places like Docklands lack charm and appear sterile, and literally could be anywhere in the world. I assume people travel to see and experience new things. Places like our East End are unique and full of charm. I don't understand why anyone would travel here and chose to eat in a precinct that could literally be anywhere in the world.

As I said in the other thread, I agree that SA needs to be bold and think outside the box, however I do not think that building something, just because "Melbourne has one", to represent thinking outside the box, or visionary thinking.

[Phantom]

You know what would be cool? Building a big fuck-off zoo, right in Adelaide... Like, HUGE.

I mean shit, San Diego is known for their zoo. Why couldn't we be known for ours?

[ml69]

Following on from the Adelaide Uni Med school building thread..so it isn't derailed.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4748&start=135

I think what rev meant was a multi-function covered sports stadium, entertainment centre, hotels and casino. Not the entertainment you see in Hindley Street.

Cheers

That's what I meant, along with cafes, restaurants, bars. Things for people to do, to go and enjoy their time in Adelaide.
Typically I'll cop a backlash for stating the truth though. Let the fun begin

The casino redevelopment is going to be a massive let down as well, for anyone whose thinking that's going to improve things for the Torrens precinct overall.

Take a look at an aerial of the torrens area...it's disgraceful.
The (morphett)bridge is disgusting.
The banks of the torrens are disgusting.
Is it in middle of a capital city or is it the banks of the murray up stream somewhere in the middle of nowhere?

The Torrens precinct should have been taken as an opportunity to change the face of Adelaide and it's image.
It's been pointed out before that most postcard shots of Adelaide are across the Torrens facing the City. The same tired old post card.

Whether it's Southbank in Melbourne, Darling Harbor in Sydney, Southbank in Brisbane, there's dozens of bars, cafes, restaurants, places to shop, etc. Things for people to go out and do.

Adelaide's Torrens precinct? Zilch. Nada. A big nothing.

The dozen or so small bars(what is the number actually?) that have popped up around the city are proof that if you build it, they will come. Imagine a concentration of bars cafes and restaurants along the torrens. And I don't mean simply banging out a few buildings or extensions or refits to existing buildings, but redeveloping the entire torrens "lake" area and turning it into a water front you'd expect to find in a big city not a town on the murray river.


Oh but it's ok people because between February 13th and March 15th we have a couple festivals and people will be out and about for a whole month.
Go back to sleep for the rest of the year, don't want to throw a hip out.

I agree and also disagree with you.

I agree that the Torrens Riverbank precinct is basically pretty boring at the moment. We have perhaps 2 or 3 restaurants/bars facing the river, and only the bar next to the new footbridge offers any form of outdoor alfresco area, which is CRITICAL to help establish a buzz or vibrancy to an area. We have a hotel, a casino and convention centre which effectively do not engage with the public domain whatsoever. The area adjacent the banks of the Torrens itself is crap.

But I strongly disagree that it is an opportunity lost, because all these issues can be FIXED through redesign and enhancement. Indeed we are only starting to realise the enormous potential of our Riverbank precinct, in particular the section bounded by North Tce, Morphett St, Adelaide Oval/War Memorial Dr and King William St.

The facilities we have in this precinct cannot be matched by any other precinct in Australia - we are unique in having a casino, hotel, convention centre, performing arts centre and city stadium all co-located together in a riverfront/waterfront precinct. Hence I think our "bones" are good, but what we haven't done is fleshed the bones out to its full potential and integrated the whole precinct at all. We haven't had a holistic master plan that ties together all the individual components.

[rev]

How much of these things identified in this picture are underway or have been completed?

They are looking at a TWENTY YEAR PLAN.
Twenty god damn years to redevelop the Torrens Lake? Are they for real?
You know why it's a 20 year plan, and work has not begun on the entire precinct to deliver what their graphic designers create for public consumption? Because there is no intention of delivering a riverbank precinct like the above image, or better.
These plans are announced to convince people to vote for them and keep voting for them. It's what politicians do.
If they were serious, the whole area would have been a construction site and closed to the public. But it's not. Instead we've got a vague 20 year plan with nothing significant.

We've got the footbridge. We might get a new festival square, but it certainly wont be anything spectacular because that's just not Adelaide's style and modus operandi.
The commercial development above the casino..well, that's the casinos job, not the governments.
Revitalized elder park. What, the recent fresh paint job on the gazebo? Maybe instead of real grass they'll put synthetic?
River edge promenade? LOL don't make me laugh. A glorified footpath.
Natural riverbank? We've already got that and it looks out of place in a city.
New food and beverage. Keep dreaming. The closest we will get to that is the guys who setup the marquee bar there during the summer.

Sure, things can change in the future.
Do we have someone with balls and vision waiting in the political wings to rise to power in this state for that change to happen?

The fact there is so much grass included in the plans shown to the public should be your first indication. Grass is the dominant feature. Tell me, what's different between the grass in the plans and the grass currently there? Is it a special type of grass that has magical properties that will pull people in like a magnet?(no marijuana jokes please). Your second indication should be these 20 year plans and other nonsense which should be a direct clue that they aren't serious because if they were it wouldn't take 20 years.

Koutsantonis says a 20-year investment plan for the area outlines a bright future for employment in the area.

Too bad turbo didn't tell South Australian's that the bright future of employment in the area was working in a university, jobs relocated from existing uni med schools.

The economy is up shit creek. We don't have a government or an opposition for that matter that has any real plans to fix that.
Where's the jobs creation? Manufacturing has been in decline for decades. Why haven't they gotten on top of it after all this time and stimulated new industries of the 21st century? We keep hearing about this stuff around election time, but we never see any of it delivered.
We have a 20 year plan for this, 30 year plan for that.


If this was proposed for Adelaide, you'd all fall out of your chairs suffering seizures and people like Moran would drop dead where they stood.




This is some of whats going on in Perth. It's UC. It's not a 20 year plan from minister turbo. It's a vision, a reality that's being realized.

But in Adelaide..oh, we will revitalize Elder Park. With what..someone tell me what will revitalize Elder Park in the render at the start of my post?

What some of you will take away from what I just said though is that Rev thinks we need tall shiny skyscrapers on our river front. Revs just angry again and ranting, tldr.
What I'm actually saying is that what's happening in Perth is going to change the face and image of Perth. It's a massive project being undertaken. They've got the balls and vision to do it. We don't.
They are even changing part of the boundary of the Swan River by creating an inlet as you can see in the renders. Imagine if someone in Adelaide proposed doing something similar, like widening part of the Torrens. Wow the backlash and anger that would ensue would be epic and something to be ashamed of.
Then again we had politicians chaining them selves to trees on North Tce over the tram line extension...

No vision no balls in this state.

[Nathan]

Rev, that's just a section of the entire riverbank master plan - a plan that extends all the way from Park Tce, through to Hackney Rd. The goals of the greater riverbank precinct and Elizabeth Quay are very different, not to mention the size. And ultimately, what does Elizabeth Quay add to the area that plans for the section between KWS and Morphett St don't (aside from the apartments and an office tower occupied by an American oil company?). Ours will have public space (green, waterfront and urban square), a casino, a hotel, a convention centre, a concert building, major sports facilities, and potentially an additional cultural/civic building. Plus it links in to a far greater riverside and park facilities. Perth's development may be more concentrated, hence it's easier to develop in a shorter time frame, but I think ours has far more potential to be a grand asset - it'll just take a hell of a lot longer.

[rev]

The riverbank redevelopment here is a waste and lost opportunity. It's not going to create a vibrant city because it's not designed to.
We are going to have a public space a park...yes, we already have that mate. So what it is is just a nicer version of what we have already.

Take a look at the impact the development is Perth will have on the city.
What was there before the bulldozers and cranes moved in? Grass..

It's not about the skyscrapers planned there that I'm talking about specifically.

What's on our riverfront..grass. Redevelopment will give us what? Nicer grass?

We already have a casino and a convention center. How are the expansions going to change anything on their own? Do visitors to both currently spend time on the riverbank side? What In the render will draw them there?


South Australians like comparing to other cities...well compare our water/riverfront to similar in other cities.
See how shit ours is and will continue to be.

Like I said no vision no balls.

[Nathan]

Then tell us Rev, what will Elizabeth Quay add that will make it a plan "with balls", aside from some Chevron logos?

[rev]

Then tell us Rev, what will Elizabeth Quay add that will make it a plan "with balls", aside from some Chevron logos?

You don't get it and probably never will because you're limited to your little box.
A ten year old could see what I'm pointing out about the inadequacies, but you...we'll you saw the pictures from Perth and your only train of thought is that im talking about the skyscrapers. Even though I said nothing about them and pointed out what I was talking about and stated it's not about tall shiny buildings.