News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[Goodsy]

Build infrastructure and go broke like WA.

So do they give the infrastructure back or does the construction company get to dig it all back up? what's the go

[skyliner]

i agree with Waewick - we have more than 50 years to do something re the electrification - seems too much dithering around. In the 1970's attempt to electrify we had the copper cables laying in the yard at Islington. I still have the document outlining electrification then. Used it in teaching also.

The railways are IMHO extremely impt in the metro area but have been wiped continually by increasing inefficiency, closures, old stock etc and hence relevance. Just trace this from the 1920's.

As Crawf says, it's a disgrace.

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[MessiahAndrw]

Personally, I'd rather not see changes to the GST, as any increase hits unfairly when taken as a percentage of income - the less you earn, the higher percentage of your earnings you pay in tax. Interestingly, the Government's own modelling has shown that a Carbon Tax will raise just as much revenue as a 5% GST hike, but cost the average household $24/week less ($11/week vs $35/week)

How does this maths work?

One would assume:

tax raised / number of households = average tax collected per household

If both the Carbon Tax and the GST hike will raise the same amount of revenue, and in both scenarios Australia will have the same number of households - how will the "average household" pay less?

[rhino]

I guess that maybe not all of the Carbon Tax would be passed on to households?

[monotonehell]

Personally, I'd rather not see changes to the GST, as any increase hits unfairly when taken as a percentage of income - the less you earn, the higher percentage of your earnings you pay in tax. Interestingly, the Government's own modelling has shown that a Carbon Tax will raise just as much revenue as a 5% GST hike, but cost the average household $24/week less ($11/week vs $35/week)

How does this maths work?

One would assume:

tax raised / number of households = average tax collected per household

If both the Carbon Tax and the GST hike will raise the same amount of revenue, and in both scenarios Australia will have the same number of households - how will the "average household" pay less?

Pocket calculator fact check
In 2013; GST raised apx $12b5, and Carbon Tax raised around $6b6.

Not considering real world effects causing reduced spending due to higher prices:
12.5 represents 10% tax on 125. 15% of 125 is 18.75.
18.75 less 12.5 is 6.25.

$6b25 is "close" to $6b6. So the carbon Tax would raise more than the extra 5% GST, whilst impacting low income earners more than high. Remembering that the Carbon tax was levied on businesses and tax breaks were given to households.

[SouthAussie94]

Govt "furious" at forced shutdown of Seaford rail line

Commuters on the Seaford line face disruptions for most of January with the State Government forced to replace kilometres of faulty overhead electrical cable.

http://indaily.com.au/news/2015/12/10/g ... rail-line/

[Goodsy]

Govt "furious" at forced shutdown of Seaford rail line

Commuters on the Seaford line face disruptions for most of January with the State Government forced to replace kilometres of faulty overhead electrical cable.

http://indaily.com.au/news/2015/12/10/g ... rail-line/

Can't they do the work at night and run the diesel trains back on the line?

[rev]

Govt "furious" at forced shutdown of Seaford rail line

Commuters on the Seaford line face disruptions for most of January with the State Government forced to replace kilometres of faulty overhead electrical cable.

http://indaily.com.au/news/2015/12/10/g ... rail-line/

Can't they do the work at night and run the diesel trains back on the line?

I don't think it works the way resurfacing a road does.

[SouthAussie94]

Govt "furious" at forced shutdown of Seaford rail line

Commuters on the Seaford line face disruptions for most of January with the State Government forced to replace kilometres of faulty overhead electrical cable.

http://indaily.com.au/news/2015/12/10/g ... rail-line/

Can't they do the work at night and run the diesel trains back on the line?

I suspect that with the retirement of the 2000 class diesels earlier this year that there aren't enough diesels to run a complete timetables on all lines, hence the need to shut the line..

[metro]

The whole electrification project has been a huge fiasco, not only did we get a half-arsed job for the Seaford line where a "quality assured" supplier screwed up the copper wiring, but the govt has also left the Gawler line in limbo until 2020..

[OlympusAnt]

Belair line closing, its a perfect opportunity to upgrade that Meccano Set that is Torrens Park

There's been opportunity for over a decade to rebuild the station, but no, Millswood was more important

[Patrick_27]

Belair line closing, its a perfect opportunity to upgrade that Meccano Set that is Torrens Park

There's been opportunity for over a decade to rebuild the station, but no, Millswood was more important

They're more likely to close it due to it's proximity to Mitcham and the fact that it's overall weekly usage of the station isn't great.

[OlympusAnt]

If they don't upgrade it, then shut it down.

Mind you, the whinging from the Scotch College people and "local residents" will be through the roof

[Patrick_27]

If they don't upgrade it, then shut it down.

Mind you, the whinging from the Scotch College people and "local residents" will be through the roof

Well, let Scotch upgrade and maintain it then. I can't understand how both Millswood and Hawthorn stations were closed along that chunk of the Belair line yet Torrens Park station has stayed open after all these years.

[skyliner]

So is the Belair line closing? Out of touch here but would not be surprised - thematic with killing off the whole metro system as is the Seaview line fiasco. If brisbane can have an electrified system in 1988 when it was of similar size to Adelaide, it begs the question here. (info from Australian year books re city size).

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