The SA Politics Thread

[claybro]

political parties of all persuasions can say and propose what they like, but they very soon revert to their true agendas, greens included. In fact the greens make no secret of their agenda, and for anyone looking for where the Australiam Greens may take us, state or federally, look to the current situation in Europe as a guide. Open borders welcoming anyone and everyone who cares to pay their way via people smugglers. Shutting down of nuclear and coal fired power stations to be replaced by wind and solar, which in European case just freeze up in cold weather when needed most. Corporate greed simply replaced by be autocratic madness and wasted subsidies on undeveloped technology. It's all care no responsibility nanny state rubbish that will lead to even more company's , who will face huge tax hikes, leaving in droves even more so. Or just look closer to home at the damage green policies have done to Tasmania over the years for our own local basket case.

[rev]

I cant trust a party that flip flops between which major party to support based on which way the political winds are blowing at the time.
They may have a set of policies posted on their website, but that doesn't make them trustworthy if they are going to be willing to compromise with the major parties in order to gain more political power/standing.

If they were a party that stood on it's own, against the major parties, then sure, I can see the merit in giving them my vote.
But why vote for Greens when they'll just side with which ever major party offers them the best deal? Just vote for the most likely major party to win, same thing at the end of the day.

But you can trust them. Instead of choosing a team right or wrong, they look at what is being proposed on that day.

In other words they look at the evidence and vote for, side with, or negotiate for the best outcome for the electorate.

That's a far better policy than just choosing a team and supporting them no matter what bills that team produce.

Look at the recent tax transparency bill. The Greens negotiated up from zero to most companies needing to publish how much tax they pay. The choices were to vote for the bill and have no companies' tax published OR reject the bill and have no companies' tax published. The Greens instead negotiated an amendment which means most companies' tax paid is reported. That way it will be simpler to extend the bill later.

Don't believe the anti-Green spin that the desperate Labor machine pumps out. Two misinformation campaigns come to mind recently; the tax transparency above and the pensioner scare over the pension bill from last year. The Labor memes were pumped out and people simply believe it - and still do. Labor should be cooperating with the Greens, but instead they are scared of losing votes so are waging a misinformation campaign.

I'm not suggesting voting for Xenophon or any of his candidates because they present a viable alternative or because of their policies.
I'm going to vote for them, because Xenophon has a history of standing up for the little guy, making noise, and helping people have their voices heard. He is the best chance South Australia has of having some form of viable opposition to the government that can hold the government accountable and pressure them. The Greens wont, because they'll just get in bed with them in a convenient deal for them.

See above.

Greens make just as much noise if not more, actually negotiate useful amendments to bills, and at a federal level are a constant source of important questions at senate estimates. The Coalition hate that because the Greens are constantly pointing out what they would rather keep quiet. Hence why I support both Greens and NXT.

The Liberals in this state have failed as an opposition, I don't even want to contemplate what a disaster it would be if they were government. We need an alternative in this state.

Agreed.

Sorry Mono, but you wont sway me to ever vote for the Greens.
I'm as likely to vote for the Greens as I am to vote for communists/far left or nazis. Hell could freeze over and defrost.

[monotonehell]

Sorry Mono, but you wont sway me to ever vote for the Greens.
I'm as likely to vote for the Greens as I am to vote for communists/far left or nazis. Hell could freeze over and defrost.

I used to vote Liberal, then Labor, now Green.

I've always voted centre. It's the parties which have all slid to the right.

I'd also not vote for communists, fascists, or any single ideology "ists" (except pragmatists).

[Goodsy]

I found Nick Xenophons position on the nuclear industry, of course he's trying to sit on both side of the argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR4txHoOM9k&t=1m09s

[rev]

So whose had a read of the Liberas 2036 manifesto for the state?

From what I've been hearing it's nothing special and just the typical election promises of jobs and what not.
Nothing substantial just more blah blah except this time they've released it with some fanfare.
No vision what so ever nothing inspiring.

Geez with all the problems with Labor and all the free swings opportunities they've given the Libs you'd think they'd be a little bolder and braver and take some chances.
What's their strategy exactly? To sit back do as little as possible and wait till Labor inevitably screws up the state as bad as it's ever been combined with uncontrolled global issues and then try and win an election?

[monotonehell]

...What's their strategy exactly? To sit back do as little as possible and wait till Labor inevitably screws up the state as bad as it's ever been combined with uncontrolled global issues and then try and win an election?

Amazingly it hasn't worked so far. But I think you're right. No action = no target.

Same procedure Federal Labor had been using until recently. Now they are using the undermine the Greens strategy.

[rev]

...What's their strategy exactly? To sit back do as little as possible and wait till Labor inevitably screws up the state as bad as it's ever been combined with uncontrolled global issues and then try and win an election?

Amazingly it hasn't worked so far. But I think you're right. No action = no target.

Same procedure Federal Labor had been using until recently. Now they are using the undermine the Greens strategy.

If labor had proposed the changes for preferences when they were government the Libs would have opposed it. Its pathetic.

As for our state basket case Libs, they've said over the next 2 years they'll release more details.
Why can't they release them now?
14 years in opposition and only now they are coming up with policies? Hope they enjoy being the opposition for a while yet..
Maybe they enjoy being in opposition..think about it, they rarely do anything as an opposition(certainly aren't holding government accountable), and they get to enjoy the perks of being a politician..increased pay well above what any ordinary person enjoys, chauffeured cars, fuel cards, etc. all at the tax payers expense. Not a bad gravy train they are on. And after a decade of being on that gravy train you'd have built up a very nice property portfolio for example and otherwise set your self up for the rest of your life..and some would even be able to jump into the private sector as consultants with big fees

Such a hard life these people lead..I can see the justification why they deserve massive pay rises while they make life as financially difficult for the majority ordinary folk.

[peas_and_corn]

So whose had a read of the Liberas 2036 manifesto for the state?

I tried to, I really really did. Got to the end of their "economic vision" and closed the pdf. So many pages promising they will release policies to conform to a set of buzzword-filled principles.

They've had a long time to come up with ideas, and so far the only policies I can think of are the ones from the last election, which were "cutting taxes and spending on small projects will create a surplus".

Oh how I wish we had a good state opposition

[Waewick]

So whose had a read of the Liberas 2036 manifesto for the state?

I tried to, I really really did. Got to the end of their "economic vision" and closed the pdf. So many pages promising they will release policies to conform to a set of buzzword-filled principles.

They've had a long time to come up with ideas, and so far the only policies I can think of are the ones from the last election, which were "cutting taxes and spending on small projects will create a surplus".

Oh how I wish we had a good state opposition

it was ultra lame

I might add, I wish we had a decent state government too.

[Goodsy]

It would be nice to have a premier with as much guts as Playford

[Waewick]

It would be nice to have a premier with as much guts as Playford

lets face it

in SA we have two parties - one run by unions for the benefit of unions and lead by people deflecting blame and responsiblity until the union replaces them

the other is a party that relies on a diminishing number of volunteers and donors to prop them up and as a result relies on political students and federal governmnet support staff to provide assistance to some very underwhelming candidates who happen to friends with Christopher Pyne.

[Goodsy]

It would be nice to have a premier with as much guts as Playford

lets face it

in SA we have two parties - one run by unions for the benefit of unions and lead by people deflecting blame and responsiblity until the union replaces them

the other is a party that relies on a diminishing number of volunteers and donors to prop them up and as a result relies on political students and federal governmnet support staff to provide assistance to some very underwhelming candidates who happen to friends with Christopher Pyne.

a populist will come a long and take advantage of the apathy that our state, I'm betting Xenophon goes pretty far in the next election

[Waewick]

I actually hope a statesperson (statesman or women) with the states best interest at heart comes along.

to be honest - after 100 years I personally think we need two new parties that come close to identfying with the general public.

[Norman]

What's even worse is that a lot of the politicians spend more time bitching about each other on Twitter than probably doing actual work. It's a disgrace.

[Waewick]

What's even worse is that a lot of the politicians spend more time bitching about each other on Twitter than probably doing actual work. It's a disgrace.

I'm just sick of the extereme negative, someone proposes something and the other side comes out with the most extreme language they can think of.

It is just plain boring these days. No-one is articulate, noone is a master of the English language, they all rely on petty insults and putdowns.