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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3316 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:26 pm

Great news. Love the Melbourne/London-style point to point bike share scheme:
$12m deal to make Adelaide "the cycling capital of Australia"

The State Government and the city council have struck a funding deal to upgrade cycling infrastructure across Adelaide’s CBD and expand the free bike-share program.

They will each spend $6 million to extend and modify Frome Street bikeway and build a new, dedicated east-west cycling corridor through the city, as well as extending the bike-share scheme across inner-metropolitan Adelaide.

It is “the single largest investment in cycling infrastructure in the history of the City of Adelaide”, Lord Mayor Martin Haese told InDaily.

Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan said the plan was designed to encourage more people to cycle, which would, in turn, help reduce traffic congestion by taking cars off the street.

“We should get a marked improvement in cycling infrastructure,” he said of the spend.

“Hopefully, we’ll boost cycling participation throughout the city. We’re [already] seeing more and more people riding their bikes, particularly … [to] work.”

Last night, a confidential council meeting endorsed the plan and instructed Haese to begin negotiations with all the councils connected to the City of Adelaide about rolling out a consistent bike-share scheme across inner-metropolitan Adelaide.

Haese said he agreed with Central Ward councillor David Slama, who told the meeting the plan would put Adelaide in a position to be known as “the cycling capital of Australia”.

The bike-share scheme, for which the council and the Government will each contribute $500,000, will involve bikes that can “click out” of specially designed bike racks at one “point”, and “click in” to similar infrastructure at another “point”, allowing people to borrow bikes for one-way trips.

South Ward councillor Priscilla Corbell, who proposed the bike-share scheme, said the council would “work with neighbouring councils and our current Adelaide Free Bikes partners, and I believe this scheme will greatly improve services for city residents, workers and visitors, as well as bring our bike share scheme up to international standards such as [those of] London, Paris and our Sister City of Austin”.

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Options for the east-west bikeway, and the planned Frome Street-Frome Road cycling route. Image: supplied.

“A point-to-point bike-share scheme fits in well with our strategic plan objectives of being a smart, green and liveable city.”

Three options are being considered for an east-west separated bikeway cutting across the city: Pirie Street / Waymouth Street, Flinders Street / Franklin Street and Grote Street / Wakefield Street.

The $12 million fund will also be used to remove several concrete planter boxes on Frome Street that form part of the barrier separating cyclists from cars, with the current carparking lanes on both sides of the road to be turned into peak-hour traffic lanes.

Mullighan said a redeveloped and extended Frome Street bikeway, and a new east-west bikeway, would separate cyclists from other traffic without unnecessarily inconveniencing motorists.

“We’ll try and settle on a design that meets the needs of cyclists but which can live quite comfortably with [cars],” he said.

Mullighan said the current design of Frome Street’s controversial separated bikeway was a “pretty aggressive infrastructure design” which “got the balance a bit wrong” between cyclists and motorists.

“There was a lot of frustration with how radical and significant the changes were.”

InDaily understands the current separated bikeway on Frome Street is to be redeveloped to allow for two driving lanes in each direction, while maintaining a form of “separation” from motor vehicles, which will be extended to the riverbank.

Mullighan said the separation between cyclists and other traffic involved in both the Frome Street and east-west bikeways would involve “a physical barrier [that is] more than just a line on the road”.

Haese conceded that “the current design of Frome Street is not everything it should be”.

He said the bikeway was “a very well-intended trial” but it would be improved on. His “lingering concerns” about the current design involve “safety”, “aesthetic” and “peak-hour traffic”.

Haese said there would be “modifications to the current design of Frome Street so that we then set … a new standard for cycling infrastructure, which we will use as a template [for the] rest of the city of Adelaide”.

“We must have a [bikeway] template that has wide public acceptance.”

Area councillor Anne Moran said: “My prime motivator has always been to fix the Frome Street bikeway by extending it all the way to North Terrace rather than just spitting cyclists out into an unsafe situation which currently exists.

“It is very important to get the design right for Frome Street bikeway in its entirety as well as to get the balance right for both cars and bikes.”

A council report last week warned that parents would not let their children cycle to the new city high school on Frome Road (the northernmost continuation of Frome Street) because cycling routes to the school would not be considered safe enough for young high school students.

Haese said the new infrastructure would “ensure it’s safe for students” to travel by bike to the school, which is designed to feature 170 bicycle storage spaces and only three individual car parks.

Mullighan told InDaily that “once we have the north-south [Frome Street /Frome Road] connection … we’re going to be able to provide a lot more comfort to parents”.
http://indaily.com.au/news/2016/07/27/1 ... australia/

PS Have put this in the ACC thread but do we need a cycling infrastructure thread, or does one already exist?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3317 Post by mshagg » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:35 pm

Bit rich taking a chunk of this money, which is ostensibly for building cycling infrastructure, and using it to tear up the separated bike lane on Frome St and replace it with one of the flimsy, shitty, poor attempts at separation which have been canvassed so far.

Perhaps we should be grateful they're extending it, but the concern is that substandard separation becomes de facto and that's what they roll out across the city. Because despite spending millions on reports to get an answer to a question no one but a few vested interests asked about ripping up the frome st bike way, bet your bottom dollar once these weak lanes are put in, that'll be it. Unless of course someone bitches about losing access to an on street car park.

The whole announcement reeks of deception to be honest. This is bad for bikes.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3318 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:55 pm

I know a fully separated bike lane would be best in terms of safety, but as a regular commuting cyclist I'd be quite happy with a bollard-separated bike lane - which I am pretty sure is what we'll end up with here. Anything that's not in the car door zone and isn't just a green bit of tarmac on the side of a road is good in my opinion. Whilst I understand they're only plastic bollards, their height provides a level of visibility which cannot be achieved by a concrete kerb.

Ideally the southern half of Frome Street should be left as it is as it would be a waste of money to rip it up again and, seeing as an independent report has proven the the removal of the two driving lanes has had negligible effect on traffic flow, it would be largely a gesture to placate angry car drivers. But, I have to say that the replacement proposals put forward by ACC (albeit we don't know which option will be chosen yet) are more aesthetically pleasing than the arrangements already in place.

I'll be glad to see the Frome Street bikeway continued in any separated form (and let's face it, the chances of it being extended through to North Terrace in its current form were always minimal) and a good east-west bike path is long overdue. Hopefully these, in conjunction with a visible and easy to use (discussions about mandatory helmet laws aside) bike share scheme will further increase cycling numbers into the city and spur further cycling infrastructure in future.

I'm going to look on the positive side of this one.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3319 Post by mshagg » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:13 pm

I guess the thing about bike infrastructure is that it's less important for people who already ride because, let's face it, if you like riding bikes then infrastructure has little bearing on that. I'm as happy riding in a "car lane" as I am on a protected, separated, dedicated bike lane.

The important group of people are the ones that want to ride bikes but see it as being dangerous or risky. Its these people that are important when making infrastructure decisions.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3320 Post by SRW » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:30 am

What's everyone's preference for the east-west route? I think Pire/Waymouth because it has immediate connections to all the central side streets (Gawler etc).
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3321 Post by mshagg » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:28 am

Yeah pirie/waymouth seems to tick the most boxes. Already has well defined bike lanes and is somewhat pedestrianised. Its a poor route for cross town traffic compared to grenfell/currie or wakefield/grote and doesnt carry buses.

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#3322 Post by Nathan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:46 am

Pirie/Waymouth is quite narrow though, so a separated bike lane may be tough to implement. You've also got some trickiness in how to handle Light Square. Flinders/Franklin might be much easier.

Would be good to have one on North Tce too - a single two-way bike way along the redeveloped northern side.

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#3323 Post by [Shuz] » Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:38 am

Pirie and Waymouth would be the best option too. The narrowness means that cars are already slowing down which makes it ideal as a pedestrian and bike friendly environment.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3324 Post by ml69 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:59 pm

Nathan wrote:Pirie/Waymouth is quite narrow though, so a separated bike lane may be tough to implement. You've also got some trickiness in how to handle Light Square. Flinders/Franklin might be much easier.

Would be good to have one on North Tce too - a single two-way bike way along the redeveloped northern side.
Flinders/Franklin has space aplenty and not too much traffic .... I think this route will also get less motorists off-side because there is still lots of space for cars.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3325 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:56 pm

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3326 Post by Nathan » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:06 pm

Hey, at least they're not campaigning to make hi-vis vests compulsory for all cyclists *glares at City of West Torrens*.

(But yes, fucking idiocy from ACC caving to perception rather than what their two seperate reports told them) :toilet:

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3327 Post by mshagg » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:41 am

“We are trying to jam the square peg of Adelaide into the round hole of Copenhagen.”

No. We are just trying to build a handful of separated bike lanes.

But the rent seekers wont allow one.

Not a single lane.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3328 Post by Waewick » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:02 am

have you ever seen a group of more incompetent people in your life?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3329 Post by Plasmatron » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:36 pm

Any chance they could just create some underground tunnels for the exclusive use of cyclists?
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3330 Post by metro » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:11 pm

I predict the Frome St bikeway will be removed and the road restored to 4 lanes with the promise by council to someday put in a standard bikelane between traffic and parked cars with only a rumble strip line to protect it after some "community consultation" finds anything more than that is unsuitable for motorists and bad for local businesses. :roll:

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