News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

[Llessur2002]

Why are Adelaide people spending $38 per week on transport when the the 28 day pass ($121.80) would only cost $30.45 per week making it the cheapest public transport out of the 5 major cities?

My thoughts exactly. Even with a standard Metrocard, peak fare is $3.54 - so $7.08 per day = $35.40 per week. Unless the average spend of $38 per week includes additional public transport trips on weekends and is not limited to commuting? Or a very significant proportion of commuters still buy paper tickets? Otherwise something doesn't smell right...

My earlier comments about Adelaide being cheap were compared to my overseas experiences with commuting by public transport. Even $46 per week in Brisbane is dirt cheap in comparison...

[Norman]

Why are Adelaide people spending $38 per week on transport when the the 28 day pass ($121.80) would only cost $30.45 per week making it the cheapest public transport out of the 5 major cities?
And yes Adelaide is the cheapest.....$1.91 to go from Gawler to Seaford (78kms?) on the train in the middle of the day on a full priced Metrocard fare. You wont be doing that distance for that cost in any other Australian city.

Probably because not everyone is aware of the offer. It should be advertised more. Plenty of people on the weekends still buy paper tickets, which shows how often they use it.

[monotonehell]

...And yes Adelaide is the cheapest.....$1.91 to go from Gawler to Seaford (78kms?) on the train in the middle of the day on a full priced Metrocard fare. You wont be doing that distance for that cost in any other Australian city.

It's a moot point really. The only people who would need to suffer such long commutes on a regular basis are most likely ones who have no other choice and deserve the "discount". Anyone who had the option to take their car, probably would.

The idea that a passenger should pay more to go further is negated by the opportunity cost of time. Most services stop constantly along the route. And with Adelaide's habit of putting too many stations along our heavy rail routes, a long journey can sometimes take longer than taking a car.

[Torrens_5022]

The train trip Gawler to Seaford is 1 hour 50min - The distance is 85km - In peak hour traffic it's about 1hr 30min (according to Google) - Driving would cost about $6.50 in petrol say this person is on a concession ticket - $1.75. It's only 20mins quicker to drive, the train trip would be more comfortable. I doubt many people would be commuting that far but the train option is half the price of petrol if your full fare and over 6 times cheaper if your concession interpeak

[Norman]

Unfortunately much of the housing is away from the train stations, so you need to also factor in a connecting bus in a lot of situations. Sure, it's cheaper, but we need to construct more housing near major transit corridors.

[ChillyPhilly]

Unfortunately much of the housing is away from the train stations, so you need to also factor in a connecting bus in a lot of situations. Sure, it's cheaper, but we need to construct more housing near major transit corridors.

This, x100000.

Unfortunately to fulfil this need, and the good intentions originally kickstarted by the 30-Year Plan, the real estate industry needs a shake up. There's a stubborn sub-culture within real estate that every dwelling being sold needs to have a car space or have this aspect advertised, car space or not.

[Goodsy]

Unfortunately much of the housing is away from the train stations, so you need to also factor in a connecting bus in a lot of situations. Sure, it's cheaper, but we need to construct more housing near major transit corridors.

This, x100000.

Unfortunately to fulfil this need, and the good intentions originally kickstarted by the 30-Year Plan, the real estate industry needs a shake up. There's a stubborn sub-culture within real estate that every dwelling being sold needs to have a car space or have this aspect advertised, car space or not.

You're never going to convince the majority of people to give up their backyards and car's for smaller living spaces. The only way to do it is release a lot of land north of Adelaide for single dwellings and rezone inner city suburbs, forcing people out

[Nathan]

Unfortunately much of the housing is away from the train stations, so you need to also factor in a connecting bus in a lot of situations. Sure, it's cheaper, but we need to construct more housing near major transit corridors.

This, x100000.

Unfortunately to fulfil this need, and the good intentions originally kickstarted by the 30-Year Plan, the real estate industry needs a shake up. There's a stubborn sub-culture within real estate that every dwelling being sold needs to have a car space or have this aspect advertised, car space or not.

There has been instances of developers trying to reduce the number of car spaces, but they've generally been met by howls of protest from neighbours who think it'll be an invite for millions of cars parking on the street. That apartment building in Collinswood being a recent example.

[Nathan]

You're never going to convince the majority of people to give up their backyards and car's for smaller living spaces. The only way to do it is release a lot of land north of Adelaide for single dwellings and rezone inner city suburbs, forcing people out

I think you can convince people, but it's hard. People generally want what they know, and the majority have grown up in exactly that type of housing. This is reinforced by the media, defining the "Australian Dream". What's needed is excellent examples of denser living, to show people that it's not the same as this communist hell hole most seem to picture in their minds (and I believe that's very much the intention with Bowden). This needs to be backed up with Australian media (TV shows, magazines, newspapers, etc.) depicting a greater variety of housing types (and not perpetuating the idea that apartment living is either something for the very poor, or for the very rich).

[Norman]

The good news is that the government is moving to 85% infill for new housing, with 60% along mass transit corridors. So there is some hope at least, because that will make or public transport more sustainable and prone for upgrades and expansion.

[SBD]

The train trip Gawler to Seaford is 1 hour 50min - The distance is 85km - In peak hour traffic it's about 1hr 30min (according to Google) - Driving would cost about $6.50 in petrol say this person is on a concession ticket - $1.75. It's only 20mins quicker to drive, the train trip would be more comfortable. I doubt many people would be commuting that far but the train option is half the price of petrol if your full fare and over 6 times cheaper if your concession interpeak

Not all real journeys conveniently start and finish where the key transport nodes are.

I recently had to travel from home in Blakeview to be at an address in Morphett Vale by 9am on a weekday. Google Maps said that driving would take 1:10-1:40 and advised to leave by 7:20, which I did and arrived at about 8:45, despite passing through both major South Road upgrades (the thickest traffic was actually Elder Smith Road). By comparison, Google maps said public transport would take 2:09 and cycling would take 2:08. I admit I live in a PT-unfriendly corner of the suburb.

[Vee]

Noarlunga Park'n'Ride free from today.
350 car parks. (Previous fee $2/day)

Adelaide Metro:
http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announc ... -September

[85trainfan]

Noarlunga Park'n'Ride free from today.
350 car parks. (Previous fee $2/day)

Adelaide Metro:
http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announc ... -September

This carpark used to be a bit of a "problem Area", so the government installed a giant fence, boom gates and had security guards patrolling. Now the Boom gates are locked in the open position and the security guards and their hut have been removed.

[adelaide transport]

Adelaide Metro on their website have proposed changes to bus stops on both Goodwood Road and Glen Osmond Road in order to speed up services.A map of bus stops on both roads is shown with proposals to remove or move some stops. Public feedback is available via the feedback form.
This is long overdue and many other roads and routes need to be looked at as well.
In fact the whole network needs relooking at as we really haven't seen any major changes to bus routes for a long time,yet peoples travelling habits have and are changing.
To attract more people onto Public Transport services must be faster ,more frequent with easy to understand Route numbers and not all ending up in the City.

[PD2/20]

Adelaide Metro on their website have proposed changes to bus stops on both Goodwood Road and Glen Osmond Road in order to speed up services.A map of bus stops on both roads is shown with proposals to remove or move some stops. Public feedback is available via the feedback form.
This is long overdue and many other roads and routes need to be looked at as well.
In fact the whole network needs relooking at as we really haven't seen any major changes to bus routes for a long time,yet peoples travelling habits have and are changing.
To attract more people onto Public Transport services must be faster ,more frequent with easy to understand Route numbers and not all ending up in the City.

Link is http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Bus-Sto ... ement-Plan