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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1306 Post by The Scooter Guy » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:55 am

Norman wrote:Gawler Line electrification should start next year.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1307 Post by Kasey771 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:50 am

Norman wrote:Gawler Line electrification should start next year.
forgive me for saying I'll believe it when I see it. The State govt has shown it takes the votes of the Northern suburbs for granted and I reckon if they thought they could get away with delaying it again to put the money into marginal seats closer to the 2018 election they would do so.
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#1308 Post by rev » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:33 pm

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Norman wrote:Gawler Line electrification should start next year.
forgive me for saying I'll believe it when I see it. The State govt has shown it takes the votes of the Northern suburbs for granted and I reckon if they thought they could get away with delaying it again to put the money into marginal seats closer to the 2018 election they would do so.
Doesn't every government pull those tricks?
Personally I think they should just bite the debt bullet and borrow the money to finish the electrification off, and start the whole AdeLink tram network extensions.
Get it all underway before the 2018 election, because there's no guarantee they'll stay in power after 2018, even as pathetic as the opposition is. Because the Liberals wont fund tram extensions and train electrification. And start every other stage of the North-South corridor too. Go as big as possible before possible being thrown out of office. At least if they cared about the state they'd make sure these projects get going before their opposition possibly gets into power and grinds everything to a halt.
Not to turn this into a political discussion, but I have a strong fear that if we don't get these things started soon, and Labor lose 2018, the Liberals will pull the pin on whatever they can and any other plans will be trashed, using the federal parties script book of blaming Labor for a huge debt and a need to cut expenses everywhere.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1309 Post by Norman » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:55 pm

Staging projects over a staggered timeframe is important for many reasons. Firstly, it ensures there is no boom-and-bust cycle in the construction industry. If that happens, there will be dodgy work by inexperienced contractors, as we saw with the insulation rollout. Secondly, it will also keep traffic disruption to a minimum as only sections of the projects are interrupted, not bringing the whole city to a stand still.

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#1310 Post by The Scooter Guy » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:35 pm

Soon, we'll be seeing something similar to this photo from 1955!

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#1311 Post by Haso » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:36 pm

The Scooter Guy wrote:Soon, we'll be seeing something similar to this photo from 1955!

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Thank you for the photo. If I am not mistaken, I can see tram stops only on the left side... but nothing on the right side until the hospital. Why was like that?

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#1312 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:43 pm

The Scooter Guy wrote:Soon, we'll be seeing something similar to this photo from 1955!

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Just out of interest, what happened to all of the trees on North Terrace? I know we have plane trees now but the ones in the above photo look much older. Were they all cut down at some point and then later replanted or are they the same trees?

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#1313 Post by SRW » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:21 am

Llessur2002 wrote:Just out of interest, what happened to all of the trees on North Terrace? I know we have plane trees now but the ones in the above photo look much older. Were they all cut down at some point and then later replanted or are they the same trees?
The elms in Prince Henry Gardens (in front of Government House) are probably the same, but I imagine the rest either became senescent and were replaced or were otherwise replaced as part of the North Terrace upgrades. My memory doesn't stretch back far enough to know when or why though. But I will say the current population of plane trees does not appear well cared for by the council...
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#1314 Post by Patrick_27 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:08 am

SRW wrote:
Llessur2002 wrote:Just out of interest, what happened to all of the trees on North Terrace? I know we have plane trees now but the ones in the above photo look much older. Were they all cut down at some point and then later replanted or are they the same trees?
The elms in Prince Henry Gardens (in front of Government House) are probably the same, but I imagine the rest either became senescent and were replaced or were otherwise replaced as part of the North Terrace upgrades. My memory doesn't stretch back far enough to know when or why though. But I will say the current population of plane trees does not appear well cared for by the council...
Someone recently explained to me why Plane Trees are often the go-to for street-scaping, because they shed their bark it makes them resistant to to nearby air-polution (the bark absorbs the toxins).

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#1315 Post by ml69 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:23 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
SRW wrote:
Llessur2002 wrote:Just out of interest, what happened to all of the trees on North Terrace? I know we have plane trees now but the ones in the above photo look much older. Were they all cut down at some point and then later replanted or are they the same trees?
The elms in Prince Henry Gardens (in front of Government House) are probably the same, but I imagine the rest either became senescent and were replaced or were otherwise replaced as part of the North Terrace upgrades. My memory doesn't stretch back far enough to know when or why though. But I will say the current population of plane trees does not appear well cared for by the council...
Someone recently explained to me why Plane Trees are often the go-to for street-scaping, because they shed their bark it makes them resistant to to nearby air-polution (the bark absorbs the toxins).
Yes, they are the go-to tree the world over. They are fast growing and very resistant to air pollution. And certainly look brilliant when the entire street is consistently planted with them.

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#1316 Post by ChillyPhilly » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:47 am

Plus they are easy to maintain and manage to a desired standard.
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#1317 Post by Kasey771 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:04 am

Llessur2002 wrote:
The Scooter Guy wrote:Soon, we'll be seeing something similar to this photo from 1955!

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Just out of interest, what happened to all of the trees on North Terrace? I know we have plane trees now but the ones in the above photo look much older. Were they all cut down at some point and then later replanted or are they the same trees?
great photo. I'd love to see a view from the same angle from last week to compare...can anybody here do that?
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#1318 Post by OlympusAnt » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:40 am

If you can get up to the roof of the Myer Centre, then it should be easy
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#1319 Post by The Scooter Guy » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:08 pm

Here's some shots from the Myer Centre carpark before works begin:

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1320 Post by citywatcher » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:30 pm

Looking forward to this
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