Another widespread power outage in SA

[JAKJ]

EDIT: Lol Jay crashes the presser and unloads on Frydenberg on live TV

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/j ... ws/8359074

About time someone called out Frydenberg, Turnbull, et al on their contradictory rhetoric and failures.

Thoroughly enjoyed this as well.

[SRW]

It's disappointing though how much of Turnbull & co's misinformation around SA's energy transition is allowed to go unchallenged in the media. They're barefaced liars on the matter.As churlish as Weatherill's gatecrash might come across, they needed to be called out and in some ways I wish he'd been even more scathing.

[citywatcher]

Couldn't agree more
Bunch of entitled elitists driven by outdated agendas . Amateurish embarrassing policy on the run to make it look like they care and have a fucken idea. 60/40 at next election .

[claybro]

That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone. For the premier of the state that consistently holds its hand out to the Federal government for funding, to hold the Feds accountable for this whole mess is not a good look. Seems all south Aussies are quick to absolve jay and his team for any problems with the power in SA. There has been nothing preventing the state building, maintaining or renewing its own power generation up til now. They saw a quick, cheap out with the construction of hundreds of wind turbines by private operators and dressed it up as environmental greenwash. The panic is only on now, because every other state is going down the renewable path, and there is diminishing power left to share. Power was, and still is a state government responsibility from whatever source.

[Nathan]

That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone. For the premier of the state that consistently holds its hand out to the Federal government for funding, to hold the Feds accountable for this whole mess is not a good look. Seems all south Aussies are quick to absolve jay and his team for any problems with the power in SA. There has been nothing preventing the state building, maintaining or renewing its own power generation up til now. They saw a quick, cheap out with the construction of hundreds of wind turbines by private operators and dressed it up as environmental greenwash. The panic is only on now, because every other state is going down the renewable path, and there is diminishing power left to share. Power was, and still is a state government responsibility from whatever source.

Are you sure? Most of the interstate discussion I've seen from all but the Murdoch press has been on the side of Weatherill.

[citywatcher]

By who the murdoch press ? Truth is the feds don't know don't care and just want to look like they do. Renewable energy is not the problem the national grid is and that is a commonwealth responsibility. Jay was correct. He called them out on it and is trying to find a solution.

[Llessur2002]

That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone.

Really? The vast majority of my interstate friends seem very supportive of the Premier's reaction judging by all the various emoticons I've seen on social media today.

[bits]

Why would South Australians care what interstate people view a situation like this?

SA holds its hand out as much as any state for funding. SA gets a bigger take of GST than some other states but that is because of a formula all states agreed to.
When it comes to funding of actual infrastructure SA is not funded any better than other states, eg SA does not get a 2 billion dollar investment in a hydro system.

Apparently the Nsw and Vic states require federal funding for their base load power but SA does not?

Jay Weatherill dealt with this situation perfectly. Josh ha been talking nonsense for months and he was finally called out for it.

Reminder not once has SA lost power because of lack of capacity to generate power.
Closing Port Augusta, adding wind farms and solar panels has not yet lead to a state which lacks the capacity to generate enough power.

What we have had is faults caused by crap infrastructure in the interconnectors which were added so SA could participate in the NEM.
We have had failure of transmission lines to Port Augusta due to a violent storm. These are the same transmission lines that Port Augusta power station was connected to Adelaide via.
We have had AEMO unable to correctly forecast the weather or wind and the NEM being unable to convince generators to generate.


The interconnectors suck and the NEM is broken. That is what SA is planning to fix.
Have ability to force generators to generate.
Have pricing system that prefers local generation over power from dodgy extension leads.
Have capacity to replace the capacity previously offered over the dodgy extension leads.

[bits]

And remember nsw was the state that was unable to generate enough power due to lack of capacity.
Nsw was at 100% available capacity, was short and had load shedding even after telling everyone the day before that they would come up short and to please reduce load. Nsw came up short because of lack of capacity not SA.

SA had load shedding of 100MW for 30 minutes because the NEM is broken and AEMO screwed up. Nothing to do with "intermittent" wind power. Everything to do with not turning on gas power when they should.
NSW had load shedding of 300MW for 60 minutes because they lack capacity to generate enough power. NSW has magical coal power and very little wind power. NSW actually suffered from the problem people incorrectly think SA has, not enough generators.

The dodgy interconnectors are what keeps Pelican Point offline and closed Port Augusta.
Remove the interconnectors and magically all the previous generators will be on.

[AroundADL]

It was extremley refreshing to see a leader of our State bat in for the people! Frydenburg clearly had egg on his face!

[bits]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/c ... ed/8359762

[SRW]

That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone.

I'm not sure you've looked all that broadly. I've been scoping out pretty much all of the coverage tonight and most either hail Weatherill as winner of the altercation or call it a draw. Very few portray Weatherall poorly.

And besides that, if you want to talk lack of accountability regarding energy policy, look no further than Turnbull and the Coalition.

[claybro]

Why would South Australians care what interstate people view a situation like this?

Because we all want to be proud of our state and not constantly fending off criticism founded or otherwise.

SA holds its hand out as much as any state for funding.

not true it gets far more per head of population in federal funding and defence contracts.

SA gets a bigger take of GST than some other states but that is because of a formula all states agreed to.

/you just contradicted your last point.

Reminder not once has SA lost power because of lack of capacity to generate power.

If SA was able to generate enough of its own power at the time of the last blackout, it would not have been sucking merrily on the Vic interconnector. There was virtually NO wind power being generated on that hot afternoon.

Apparently the Nsw and Vic states require federal funding for their base load power but SA does not?

SA has built wind farms with federal money.

Closing Port Augusta, adding wind farms and solar panels has not yet lead to a state which lacks the capacity to generate enough power.

Lack of thermal baseload power is causing the intermittent shortages, so yes, closing Port Augusta has contributed to the problem.

The interconnectors suck and the NEM is broken

Agree the NEM is broken, but the interconnections are what keeps the lights on at present. They are about to become irrelevant once the Victorian thermal generators close.

NSW actually suffered from the problem people incorrectly think SA has, not enough generators.

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probably yes, because like the rest of Australia, state governments have not bee constructing enough thermal power stations, despite a doubling of population in the last 40 years.

Remove the interconnectors and magically all the previous generators will be on.

Except the ones closed and decommissioned, due to the "free" power in the system during optimal wind generation .

Not 1 acknowledgement that renewable generation has created instability, which ironically even jay has acknowledged because his solution to the current issue is not more wind farms, but THERMAL gas generation.

[BradJC]

What I find amusing is that Weatherill completey stole the show away from the Libs. Look at all the news websites and other coverage today that focussed on this, completely deprioritising 'Snowy Hydro 2.0' coverage.

[citywatcher]

Measuring funding on a per capita basis is meaningless . General funding is not the same as GST cut so no he hasn't contradicted himself . The continual furphy that renewables are the problem is very annoying. The grid system IS the problem. The system is unable to generate enough power because non renewables are no longer efficient enough and the system is of course manipulated for maximum profit of suppliers. Therefore SA is the first to be cut off in favor of bigger users. That makes your own argument contradictory.