News & Discussion: Trams

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1516 Post by rubberman » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:05 am

Kasey771 wrote:
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ynotsfables wrote:Also Whyalla's steelworks bought by Arrium, predicted to be a profitable company once its sale goes through. fingers crossed.
FFS! What has any of this got to do with trams?

The Government wouldn't even use Arrium rails for the Jetty Road tram track replacement!
Did they give a reason for that decision? Wrong type of steel?
Since the rail they replaced would have been rolled in Australia, there's zero technical reason for using imported rail.
The whole of the rest of the line to Vic Square uses standard rail of the type rolled by Arrium.


Even if it were extra cost (unlikely), it wouldn't have been a lot, and the money would have stayed in SA.

I suspect they didn't even think about it.

It's another matter on curves, where the rail groove is needed to assist the tram round the curve. However, Jetty Road is straight, and the groove can just be trowelled in.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1517 Post by Haso » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:38 am

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If they intend to start the work in August they should already give some advance notice as that will be a mayor interruption in the city...
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1518 Post by rev » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:02 pm

Btw, relevant on the discussion on previous pages..here's a map from the state gov. showing proposed developments dated from 2013..

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The "bus priority" corridor, or obahn tunnel/lanes have been implemented.
Proposed tram extension east on North Tce and north towards the Oval are going ahead.
At the rate things get done at present, it will be interesting to see over the next three decades(minimum) how much gets implemented.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1519 Post by Ben » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:06 am

I got an email this morning saying nightworks start this Sunday and will go through until mid September.

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#1520 Post by Kasey771 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:44 pm

Ben wrote:I got an email this morning saying nightworks start this Sunday and will go through until mid September.
Good news. :applause: :applause: I look forward to the inevitable bitching in the Sadvertiser about the works causing chaos on North Terrace. I wonder if they’ll continue to peddle the ”Tram to nowhere” nonsense? :wallbash: :wallbash:

Then when it’s all done all the naysayers can jump on the “see I knew it would work” bandwagon, just like they did for the Hindmarsh extension (which always seems to be full of people).
Big infrastructure investments are usually under-valued and & over-criticized while in the planning stage. It's much easier to envision the here and now costs and inconveniences, and far more difficult to imagine fully the eventual benefits.

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#1521 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:05 pm

Kasey771 wrote:
Ben wrote:I got an email this morning saying nightworks start this Sunday and will go through until mid September.
Good news. :applause: :applause: I look forward to the inevitable bitching in the Sadvertiser about the works causing chaos on North Terrace. I wonder if they’ll continue to peddle the ”Tram to nowhere” nonsense? :wallbash: :wallbash:

Then when it’s all done all the naysayers can jump on the “see I knew it would work” bandwagon, just like they did for the Hindmarsh extension (which always seems to be full of people).
I feel like you make these little scenarios up in your head to cure anxieties you have towards these kinds of things... Many of the 'naysayers' who were opposed to the Entertainment Centre extension remain opposed to it, and many that I know who were at first in favour of it question what we've actually gained from it happening (when compared to the gains we would have had if the money were spent on train electrification or tram extensions elsewhere).

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1522 Post by rubberman » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:10 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
Kasey771 wrote:
Ben wrote:I got an email this morning saying nightworks start this Sunday and will go through until mid September.
Good news. :applause: :applause: I look forward to the inevitable bitching in the Sadvertiser about the works causing chaos on North Terrace. I wonder if they’ll continue to peddle the ”Tram to nowhere” nonsense? :wallbash: :wallbash:

Then when it’s all done all the naysayers can jump on the “see I knew it would work” bandwagon, just like they did for the Hindmarsh extension (which always seems to be full of people).
I feel like you make these little scenarios up in your head to cure anxieties you have towards these kinds of things... Many of the 'naysayers' who were opposed to the Entertainment Centre extension remain opposed to it, and many that I know who were at first in favour of it question what we've actually gained from it happening (when compared to the gains we would have had if the money were spent on train electrification or tram extensions elsewhere).
My experience in travelling from the Entercentre to the City a few times each week, is that the service is well patronised.

With an election due early next year, there is plenty of scope for others to offer alternative visions for the voters to consider.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1523 Post by rubberman » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:13 pm

Ben wrote:I got an email this morning saying nightworks start this Sunday and will go through until mid September.
The attachment only mentioned service locations. I hope there's more than that in two months.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1524 Post by adelaide transport » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:57 pm

There is more than just that occurring as the message states that "works will include the continuation of service locations and geotechnical investigations along King William Road and North Terrace".

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#1525 Post by Waewick » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:54 pm

I am all for Trams. But the Hindmarsh extension is a joke.

It literally exists to get to a subsidised carpark.imagine if that extension had gone to an area that recieved full fare paying patrons.

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#1526 Post by rev » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:14 pm

I know we suffer from having News Corp as sole supplier in this state, but damn when did the collective IQ in this forum drop so suddenly?

The extension of the tram line, and recently announced extensions, are part of a wider tram network that is being built in stages.

If the AdeLink talk wasn't enough of a clue, you'd have thought the map posted above would have lit the light bulbs up..but nope.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1527 Post by Norman » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:00 pm

If some of those proposals along Port Road come to fruition, it will be a great success. For now I would call it mildly successful, but to be honest I use it quite a bit myself for soccer games and shows at the Entertainment Centre.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1528 Post by rev » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:06 pm

The extension to the Entertainment Centre has been a big success imo.
There's thousands of people who use it to get into the CBD. That's thousands of cars that aren't congesting roads and car parks in the CBD daily.
Not everyone who is using it is parking their car nearby. Many people get dropped off near one of the stops, while the person dropping them off goes off to their job.

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#1529 Post by Waewick » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:22 pm

Norman wrote:If some of those proposals along Port Road come to fruition, it will be a great success. For now I would call it mildly successful, but to be honest I use it quite a bit myself for soccer games and shows at the Entertainment Centre.
I agree if they came to fruition. My view is more of an opportunity lost, as I said in favour of trams. So I'd take the extension over nothing.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#1530 Post by Brucetiki » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:41 am

Kasey771 wrote:
Ben wrote:I got an email this morning saying nightworks start this Sunday and will go through until mid September.
Good news. :applause: :applause: I look forward to the inevitable bitching in the Sadvertiser about the works causing chaos on North Terrace. I wonder if they’ll continue to peddle the ”Tram to nowhere” nonsense? :wallbash: :wallbash:

Then when it’s all done all the naysayers can jump on the “see I knew it would work” bandwagon, just like they did for the Hindmarsh extension (which always seems to be full of people).
Don't forget those ridiculous Today Tonight puppets that played the 'Tram to nowhere' card.

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