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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3421 Post by monotonehell » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:09 pm

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Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:05 pm
...How about the people living in the east end, there's several clubs there..maybe this councillor wants to shut down Rundle Street or restrict their trading hours to 9pm...you know, people living nearby...can't sleep...poor souls..moved into a cbd location next to a night life spot and discovered loud noise...want peace and quiet? It's called suburbia. Pack your shit and move...
How about us?

I live on Rundle Street.

IT'S LOUD.

I still chose to live there. The only things which have given me sleep deprivation are the overnight roadworks and footpath upgrade they've done. Overnight works should be banned. They are much more disturbing than a bit of music or some rowdy yoofs.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3422 Post by mshagg » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:11 pm

As maddening as it is, I can only hope that by councillors coming out in public and talking about their bed time or complaining about noise in their apartments actually brings their pettiness to the forefront and results in people taking the time to vote at the next local government election.

However, these are just the ramblings of boring fuddy duddies.

I think a far more sinister agenda is that snake Abiad agitating on behalf of the Hilton Hotel - who I can only assume have bought and paid for his services.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3423 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:13 pm

If you live in the CBD, you forgo your rights to complain about noise. It's part and parcel of the territory. Anyone wanting a good night's sleep after 11pm should go live in the suburbs.

Seriously, how do these people get elected?
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3424 Post by mshagg » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:13 pm

Interestingly this didn't actually come up at the meeting tonight, unless it's buried in one of the reports that is adopted as read without any debate.

Highlights from the 4 hour live stream for me:

- Unley council have staked a claim on the dardanelles monument (south parklands), which council have previously moved to relocate to kintore avenue. Their argument is that residents of unley fought in the 10th battallion, along with residents of the south west CBD. One councillor sought to pass a motion to have a replica made and installed on kintore. At that stage council actually seemed confused about what they were voting on, given a decision had previously been made. RSL representatives gave deputations in favour of the relocation, dismissing unley council's notion that one geographical area can lay claim to sacrifice in war and a monument erected in remembrance.
- Approximately an hour of deputations in regards to the proposed helipad. Rapturous applause from the gallery as members of the South West City Community Association stood up one by one to speak against the proposal. Councillor abiad seemingly has a massive hard on for the thing. Another guy who deputised against the helipad warned council to "lawyer up" if they proceed further.
- Alex Antic hilariously trying to derail the ACC's carbon neutral strategy by requesting expensive and complex independent modelling on the costings, to be overseen by a committee chaired by himself. Part way into the debate councillor clearihan stormed out of the room, claiming Antic was threatening her with legal action. Sounds like something a lawyer would say.
- Seems the Adelaide Festival has gotten itself into the shit with the pontoon used for the palais. Noticed how its still in the river? They cant afford to move it and are seeking council's approval to dress it up and use it for community or commercial events throughout the year, so it can be used during the festival again next year. Long story short: if they have to move it out of the river, it's never coming back. Councillor martin expressed concern with it being used for a "port adelaide piss up" (apparently they have expressed interest in utilising it on a commercial basis). Other councillors suggested he might be ok if it were to be used as a crows chardonnay event.

Certainly makes for better reality TV than the bachelor.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3425 Post by ChillyPhilly » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:57 pm

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Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:13 pm
Interestingly this didn't actually come up at the meeting tonight, unless it's buried in one of the reports that is adopted as read without any debate.

Highlights from the 4 hour live stream for me:

- Unley council have staked a claim on the dardanelles monument (south parklands), which council have previously moved to relocate to kintore avenue. Their argument is that residents of unley fought in the 10th battallion, along with residents of the south west CBD. One councillor sought to pass a motion to have a replica made and installed on kintore. At that stage council actually seemed confused about what they were voting on, given a decision had previously been made. RSL representatives gave deputations in favour of the relocation, dismissing unley council's notion that one geographical area can lay claim to sacrifice in war and a monument erected in remembrance.
- Approximately an hour of deputations in regards to the proposed helipad. Rapturous applause from the gallery as members of the South West City Community Association stood up one by one to speak against the proposal. Councillor abiad seemingly has a massive hard on for the thing. Another guy who deputised against the helipad warned council to "lawyer up" if they proceed further.
- Alex Antic hilariously trying to derail the ACC's carbon neutral strategy by requesting expensive and complex independent modelling on the costings, to be overseen by a committee chaired by himself. Part way into the debate councillor clearihan stormed out of the room, claiming Antic was threatening her with legal action. Sounds like something a lawyer would say.
- Seems the Adelaide Festival has gotten itself into the shit with the pontoon used for the palais. Noticed how its still in the river? They cant afford to move it and are seeking council's approval to dress it up and use it for community or commercial events throughout the year, so it can be used during the festival again next year. Long story short: if they have to move it out of the river, it's never coming back. Councillor martin expressed concern with it being used for a "port adelaide piss up" (apparently they have expressed interest in utilising it on a commercial basis). Other councillors suggested he might be ok if it were to be used as a crows chardonnay event.

Certainly makes for better reality TV than the bachelor.
I didn't know about this, so it's quite a surprise - and I'm in the loop with this kind of thing with Port. 'Chardonnay event' though :lol:
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3426 Post by crawf » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:22 am

Adelaide Council to put River Torrens helipad to second round of consultation, no decision on barge
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A HELIPAD proposed along the River Torrens will now advance to a second round of consultation, while the council has thrown the rusting Festival barge a lifeline.

A plan to lease the site west of Morphett St Bridge to a commercial helipad operator was last night given Adelaide City Council approval in principle, despite overwhelming opposition during community consultation.

However, it’s now subject to a public consultation process that approves an amendment to Park 27’s Community Land Management Plan, while council chief executive Mark Goldstone continues the lease expression of interest process.

Meanwhile, council has deferred the future of Adelaide Festival’s floating Palais until its next meeting.

Councillors last night supported giving the Adelaide Festival Corporation an extra two weeks to work with council on its plans to “dress” the barge, situated on the River Torrens, and its proposal to activate it as an event space.

FIRST LOOK at how Adelaide Fest barge could look if dressed up and opened to public. Good use of up to $160,000 taxpayer dollars? @theTiser

The Adelaide Park Lands Authority had advised that council would work with the festival to determine the “most appropriate removal method to ensure minimal damage to the Adelaide Park Lands”.

However following a deputation from the Adelaide Festival chairman’s son, Torben Brookman, council agreed to give the Adelaide Festival a second chance and has extended its lease, which ends on Monday, until a decision is made.

Mr Brookman said the festival apologised for council wearing “the brunt of public criticism around the appearance of the pontoon structure”.

“It was never intended and was certainly something that we won’t let happen again in the future,” he said.

Councillors were provided with an artist impression of an aesthetically-pleasing barge, that will take between eight to 10 weeks and cost between $140,000 to $160,000 to improve if approved by council.

At last night’s council meeting, several more deputations about the helipad were made, including letters of support from the Adelaide Casino and Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan.

South Australian Tourism Commission chief executive Rodney Harrex also spoke for the helipad, as an asset “crucial” to meeting the wants and needs of future visitors.

“We have to use this opportunity,” he said.

“It allows people to access our regions if they have a limited amount of time.”

But it was followed by further opposition from residents including Susan Collins, who expressed concern that “compelling arguments (in opposition) have been ignored”.

City of Adelaide Council has approved a five-year lease in principle, to be reviewed after 24 months of operation, on the basis that there was a 12-month break clause in the agreement.

Consultation about an amendment to the Community Land Management Plan will soon go out to the public and stakeholders.

The outcome will then require endorsement from council, and has to be signed off by Planning Minister John Rau.

Commercial operators that express interest in leasing the site will still need to address operational and planning matters in the approval requirements, which include an acoustic impact report as part of the development approval and Civil Aviation Safety Authority approval — before the proposal can be finalised.
The helipad will be in area that hardly anyone uses and is no where near residents. Perfect for the next 5 years or until this area is developed as part of the Riverbank Master Plan.

The proposed design for the barge looks good, though should have been done at the start. Currently it's an eyesore.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3427 Post by rev » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:29 pm

It's actually very close to residents Crawf. It's well within 1km of residential North Adelaide.
Not to mention even closer to residents in apartments in the CBD.

I don't know what your hearing is like Crawf, but a helicopter is very, very loud. I'm sure you've heard the rescue chopper coming in to land and taking off from the RAH.

Not that I disagree with a city helipad.

I assume it's going to be used like the one in Melbourne on the Yarra..for tours and joy flights. If that's the case, they wont be operating late at night anyway when the elitist folk of North Adelaide who oppose development, progress and any variation of fun activities outside of sitting by their fire place drinking tea and reminiscing of the good old day of horse drawn carts, will be tucked away in their over sized fit for a wannabe king/queen beds.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3428 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:41 pm

How good's the soundproofing in the RAH patient rooms? Are they double-glazed etc?

Haven't really heard a helicopter operating from a CBD location before but based on a recent trip to Port Arthur in Hobart the one operating there was really loud, quite annoying and not something I'd really want to live near - nor would I particularly want to be sitting outside a restaurant etc near a busy pad.

However, if it's only ever going to run a few flights per day and nothing at night then I can't see any issue with this location.

About once a month we get woken up by helicopters flying close to Croydon - not sure whether it's police, rescue, civilian etc but it's bloomin' loud.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3429 Post by rev » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:30 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:41 pm
How good's the soundproofing in the RAH patient rooms? Are they double-glazed etc?

Haven't really heard a helicopter operating from a CBD location before but based on a recent trip to Port Arthur in Hobart the one operating there was really loud, quite annoying and not something I'd really want to live near - nor would I particularly want to be sitting outside a restaurant etc near a busy pad.

However, if it's only ever going to run a few flights per day and nothing at night then I can't see any issue with this location.

About once a month we get woken up by helicopters flying close to Croydon - not sure whether it's police, rescue, civilian etc but it's bloomin' loud.
The patient rooms on the northern/train track sides, are pretty sound proof. I've not heard the rescue helicopter, nor the trains below(which the old diesel trains can get quite noisy). However a helicopter landing and tacking off less then 200m from the nearest patient rooms might be a different story. I've said before though that noise from HQ was not an issue on the front side of the hospital.

As for the helicopters you are hearing, if you go outside and you can't see the helicopter, as in you can't see any of the flashing lights, then it's a police helicopter. The police helicopter usually will fly around in circles or around the wider area. The rescue chopper just flies over. After waking you and every dog in the neighbourhood up.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3430 Post by Pikey » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:51 pm

Umm, are we forgetting that the new RAH has two helipads? They'll be running a lot longer and later than a tourist helicopter.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3431 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:01 pm

Pikey wrote:Umm, are we forgetting that the new RAH has two helipads? They'll be running a lot longer and later than a tourist helicopter.
How often are they used?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3432 Post by crawf » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:04 pm

rev wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:29 pm
It's actually very close to residents Crawf. It's well within 1km of residential North Adelaide.
Not to mention even closer to residents in apartments in the CBD.
That is still a fair distance compared to the other idea of using an exisiting CBD building, which is right in the heart of where people live and work. Many city buildings wouldn't have great sound proofing either.

What have been the other proposed locations?. Regardless where it's proposed, a helipad is going to be the vicinity of people.
I don't know what your hearing is like Crawf, but a helicopter is very, very loud. I'm sure you've heard the rescue chopper coming in to land and taking off from the RAH.

Not that I disagree with a city helipad.

I assume it's going to be used like the one in Melbourne on the Yarra..for tours and joy flights. If that's the case, they wont be operating late at night anyway when the elitist folk of North Adelaide who oppose development, progress and any variation of fun activities outside of sitting by their fire place drinking tea and reminiscing of the good old day of horse drawn carts, will be tucked away in their over sized fit for a wannabe king/queen beds.
Really really loud, hey?. Never knew that.

That is exactly what it will be mostly for, joy flights. I've seen the helipads at Southbank, and I think one similar here would be beneficial to the tourism industry. The Adelaide helipad would have less usage though.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3433 Post by Listy » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:39 am

The proposed location for the city helipad could be problematic for the medical research precinct. It looks like it will be located right across the train line from the AHMS building, and Adelaide Uni research groups have already had to leave a lot of vibration sensitive equipment behind at the Frome Rd med school due to vibrations from trains (I don't know about SAHMRI). Not only will the noise affect research equipment, but it really screws with the breeding & health of rat & mouse colonies. Review panels for research funding do investigate & take these sorts of things into consideration when deciding who and where funding is distributed, and with only ~10% of grant applications getting funded (& even lower if you're not in the Eastern states) in medical research in Australia every marginal gain counts.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3434 Post by mshagg » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:46 am

Valid concerns but I cant help but feel those issues would be objectively teased out as part of the process? The motions passed by council are to do with the land management plan and administrative delegations - all pretty preliminary stuff.

Abandoning the idea because of some "maybes" seems premature.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3435 Post by Honey of a City » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:12 am

Unlike Melbourne, Adelaide has a fully functioning airport 10 minutes from the CBD. Here's an idea - put the thing at the airport.

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