From being seen personally, or all together? Personally I don't have a problem with the former of those two but the latter seems a bit totalitarian - fair enough if you want to ignore a person's comment if you don't agree with it but blocking them out because they don't have a popular opinion is harsh and defeats the purpose of these forums where people discuss and debate matters. I say a lot of unpopular shit, I don't mind people arguing with me over my opinion, I prefer that to just blocking it out.
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Going off topic..Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:27 pmFrom being seen personally, or all together? Personally I don't have a problem with the former of those two but the latter seems a bit totalitarian - fair enough if you want to ignore a person's comment if you don't agree with it but blocking them out because they don't have a popular opinion is harsh and defeats the purpose of these forums where people discuss and debate matters. I say a lot of unpopular shit, I don't mind people arguing with me over my opinion, I prefer that to just blocking it out.
No one ever is going to have the same opinion, therefore disagreements are always going to happen. Which is great because it's generates conversation and debate, the sole reason of why internet forums exist.
Though when certain individuals are constantly full of negativity or posting ridiculous comments, it comes across as trolling and gets very tiresome.
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If there's one thing I took out of four years of a planning degree, it's that 'cars are bad'.Spurdo wrote:Just curious, but why do so many people here seem to hate motorists? I never really understood this, but I'm also not a neo-urb so is it something to do with that particular ideology.
Socially, environmentally, economically bad.
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It doesn't help when we live in a city where the car has had free reign for so long that people here are conditioned to think car first in most circumstances for their transport needs and woe upon any politician that tries to divert the transport budget away from its predominant role of funding more and wider roads (to the detriment of any spending on Public or Active transport)ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:51 amIf there's one thing I took out of four years of a planning degree, it's that 'cars are bad'.Spurdo wrote:Just curious, but why do so many people here seem to hate motorists? I never really understood this, but I'm also not a neo-urb so is it something to do with that particular ideology.
Socially, environmentally, economically bad.
Big infrastructure investments are usually under-valued and & over-criticized while in the planning stage. It's much easier to envision the here and now costs and inconveniences, and far more difficult to imagine fully the eventual benefits.
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To expand on what others have said, cars are bad because:
For social reasons: cars are an individualistic mode of transport that do not promote socialisation or interaction. The only genuinely common form of communication in a car is a hand gesture. Secondly, car use actually results in weaker families. The time family members, especially parents, spend in their cars on a typical work day means less time together; with kids or with each other. Thirdly is the manufactured 'car culture', which leads to psychological bias towards motor vehicles in decision making and belief (think policy and the real estate market necessitating all properties to be categorised based on availability of respective car spaces). Cars also promote laziness. Electric cars may somewhat solve environmental issues, but they do not solve the social side.
For environmental reasons: almost all cars emit carbon dioxide and monoxide, leak oils and other fluids to the detriment to the planet. Cars and manufacturing are the two main contributors to the issue of climate change. In addition, cars have influenced the layout of cities, leading to vast areas of low-density urban sprawl with Los Angeles and many other American and Australian cities being a prime example.
For economic reasons: traffic! Traffic causes billions in lost productivity around the world, every year. The average person will spend three weeks of their life sitting in traffic - every year (or somewhere around there). That's hundreds of hours. Urban sprawl designed around the convenience of the car has also resulted in more expensive costs of living, as a result of the cost of delivering services and infrastructure to new areas.
I hope this adds some insight. We've gone rather off topic a bit. Bank Street progress is good and Topham Mall is coming along nicely.
For social reasons: cars are an individualistic mode of transport that do not promote socialisation or interaction. The only genuinely common form of communication in a car is a hand gesture. Secondly, car use actually results in weaker families. The time family members, especially parents, spend in their cars on a typical work day means less time together; with kids or with each other. Thirdly is the manufactured 'car culture', which leads to psychological bias towards motor vehicles in decision making and belief (think policy and the real estate market necessitating all properties to be categorised based on availability of respective car spaces). Cars also promote laziness. Electric cars may somewhat solve environmental issues, but they do not solve the social side.
For environmental reasons: almost all cars emit carbon dioxide and monoxide, leak oils and other fluids to the detriment to the planet. Cars and manufacturing are the two main contributors to the issue of climate change. In addition, cars have influenced the layout of cities, leading to vast areas of low-density urban sprawl with Los Angeles and many other American and Australian cities being a prime example.
For economic reasons: traffic! Traffic causes billions in lost productivity around the world, every year. The average person will spend three weeks of their life sitting in traffic - every year (or somewhere around there). That's hundreds of hours. Urban sprawl designed around the convenience of the car has also resulted in more expensive costs of living, as a result of the cost of delivering services and infrastructure to new areas.
I hope this adds some insight. We've gone rather off topic a bit. Bank Street progress is good and Topham Mall is coming along nicely.
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There's been a number of stuff-ups with the street projects in recent times including the frome street bikeways, slippery pavement on Hindley street,crawf wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:45 amGoing off topic..Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:27 pmFrom being seen personally, or all together? Personally I don't have a problem with the former of those two but the latter seems a bit totalitarian - fair enough if you want to ignore a person's comment if you don't agree with it but blocking them out because they don't have a popular opinion is harsh and defeats the purpose of these forums where people discuss and debate matters. I say a lot of unpopular shit, I don't mind people arguing with me over my opinion, I prefer that to just blocking it out.
No one ever is going to have the same opinion, therefore disagreements are always going to happen. Which is great because it's generates conversation and debate, the sole reason of why internet forums exist.
Though when certain individuals are constantly full of negativity or posting ridiculous comments, it comes across as trolling and gets very tiresome.
the Pitt street laneway and the right hand turn on grote street debacle.
You can't blame me for being sceptical given ACC's track record with these projects.
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There's been no "stuff-up" with the Frome St bikeway, other than the standard of discourse and behaviour of certain councillors after the fact. Hindley St project was project managed by UniSA, not council. What's the problem with Pitt St?ghs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:52 pmThere's been a number of stuff-ups with the street projects in recent times including the frome street bikeways, slippery pavement on Hindley street,
the Pitt street laneway and the right hand turn on grote street debacle.
You can't blame me for being sceptical given ACC's track record with these projects.
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In Pitt street they replaced car parks with pathetic planter boxes.
Also what about the slippery pavement in Vic square ?
How about the right hand turn on grote street reversal debacle ? Can you explain that ?
In a few years time if the topham mall car park and cafes complain that they've lost business as a result of the one way street will the council then waste more money by reverting bentham street back to a two way ?
ACC are a joke, lets be honest.
Also what about the slippery pavement in Vic square ?
How about the right hand turn on grote street reversal debacle ? Can you explain that ?
In a few years time if the topham mall car park and cafes complain that they've lost business as a result of the one way street will the council then waste more money by reverting bentham street back to a two way ?
ACC are a joke, lets be honest.
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Adelaide City Council owns the topham mall car park?
Tenants in the mall itself would be absolutely ecstatic about the development of an activated space leading through from the riverbank to the central markets. Given the frequent vacancies and general quality of tenancies there, im left with the impression that people who park there dont make a significant contribution to the precinct's economy. That's the funny thing about people who drive to work - they contribute nothing to the city but more traffic and then demand their needs outweigh those of any other group.
Easily. A weak lord mayor and a bunch of pro-landlord, pro-car, pro-parking Councillors got elected, tore up the Smart Move Strategy 4 years into its 10 year life cycle and implemented an "interim action plan" designed to "restore balance" based on their gut feel about "perception" issues.ghs wrote: How about the right hand turn on grote street reversal debacle ? Can you explain that ?
ACC are indeed a joke, but for different reasons than what you point out. The only reason the riverbank-market link is looking good is because Renewal SA is driving it.
I hope they remove every single car park from Pitt Street as it moves further south.
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I hope they remove at least 30,000 carparks from the CBD.
70,000 is far too many.
70,000 is far too many.
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A few average snaps taken on Thursday, 3 August. Progress is very visible.
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Looks like Hindley Street is all done, and looking much better. Looking forward to seeing the trees in a bit more of a mature state.
I'm glad they used the same materials as the other upgraded section. I was disappointed with the initial lights they put up, but am glad to know that they were only temporary.
I'm glad they used the same materials as the other upgraded section. I was disappointed with the initial lights they put up, but am glad to know that they were only temporary.
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Are the footpaths not fully paved? I didn't realise we were getting an upgrade that leaves most of it as asphalt.
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Yeah, what's with the bitumen? That's hardly consistent with the other chunk of Hindley Street, hell not even the night club portion of the strip has bitumen.
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