News & Discussion: Trams

[Patrick_27]

Prospectlink should run via Prospect Road, you have two shopping strips on Prospect Road a depot could be built in the industrial area south of Grand Junction Road. Churchill Road runs parallel to the train line, which once electrified will have a higher frequency. Run it up O'Connell Street onto Prospect Road and have it terminate in Kilburn, it's the simplest most direct route.

And Churchill Road is likely to have more residents in the future, Prospect Road is far too narrow to cater for a tramline and if they were serious about using Prospect Road, they'd need to ensure that Churchill and M/N Road(s) can cater for the increase in private vehicle traffic during peak times (which knowing our government's forward thinking, they won't...)

[Torrens_5022]

All the planned lines are running through shopping strips, Prospect Road is wide enough, it's not a through route for cars anyway. The North-South freeway can take the load once finished. The Gawler line can transport the new residents on Churchill Road into the city. Prospect Road can become a nice shopping strip, like Brunswick / Smith etc in Melbourne. Less cars on Prospect Road is a good idea, it will become a hub of retail shops, cafes, bars etc. Getting the tram line onto Churchill Road will cause more traffic issues than running it on Prospect Road, the junction from Park /Fitzroy Terraces onto Torrens / Churchill is already chocked adding trams will make it worse. It's like Port Road, there's already a train line running parallel, why duplicate a service, when you can create a new one that serves two retail strips and upgrade the train line. Why not run an airport tram on top of the Keswick Creek. Also the Parade is narrow why don't we just run the tram via Magill Road, the trams are to link people to the retail hubs and to expand them. Prospect Rd, Unley Rd, Henley Beach Rd and the Parade all have suburban hubs on them, the city loop tram should run down Hutt Street for the same reason. Otherwise the trams are just bringing people in the CBD, rather pointless spending billions on a tram network that just goes to suburbia instead of actually going to shops, cafes, bars, cinemas etc.

[Goodsy]

What if it went up Prospect road, turned right and went up Grand Junction and then turned up Main North Road with a depot at the old Abattoir. The Gepps Cross Homemaker Center could then be the northern terminus of the line.

Or it could go up Churchill Road, continue up Cavan road and cross over Port Wakefield road to the Homemaker Center

[SouthAussie94]

What if it went up Prospect road, turned right and went up Grand Junction and then turned up Main North Road with a depot at the old Abattoir. The Gepps Cross Homemaker Center could then be the northern terminus of the line.

Or it could go up Churchill Road, continue up Cavan road and cross over Port Wakefield road to the Homemaker Center

Why terminate the tram at a Homemaker Centre? Aren't they the antithesis of public transport use?

[Goodsy]

What if it went up Prospect road, turned right and went up Grand Junction and then turned up Main North Road with a depot at the old Abattoir. The Gepps Cross Homemaker Center could then be the northern terminus of the line.

Or it could go up Churchill Road, continue up Cavan road and cross over Port Wakefield road to the Homemaker Center

Why terminate the tram at a Homemaker Centre? Aren't they the antithesis of public transport use?

People still need homewares, and it could open up the farmers market that's held at the drive-in to more people. It could also service the velodrome, if a future bid for the Commonwealth games goes ahead

[Kasey771]

What if it went up Prospect road, turned right and went up Grand Junction and then turned up Main North Road with a depot at the old Abattoir. The Gepps Cross Homemaker Center could then be the northern terminus of the line.

Or it could go up Churchill Road, continue up Cavan road and cross over Port Wakefield road to the Homemaker Center

Why terminate the tram at a Homemaker Centre? Aren't they the antithesis of public transport use?

No reason people can’t shop for whitegoods/ homewares and then pay a small fee to have their purchases delivered.


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[Nathan]

It’s not like even shopping within the centre is designed for shopping on foot. You see people often drive to one store, hop back in their car and drive to the other side to go to another shop.

[rev]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/majo ... 9cb2e5d674

Major firm Downer proposes $500 million light rail link between Adelaide CBD and Adelaide Airport
Paul Starick, Sunday Mail (SA)
December 16, 2017 8:30am
Subscriber only

A PRIVATELY funded 6km light-rail line linking Adelaide Airport to the city, costing up to $500 million, is being proposed by one of Australia’s largest companies.

The builder of Adelaide’s East End tram extension, the Downer group, has lodged an unsolicited bid with the State Government to build, fund and operate an airport link.

In a move calculated to pre-empt campaign promises for the state election next March, Sydney-based Downer’s submission argues a dedicated airport light-rail service would boost tourism by better connecting travellers to the city, and enhance suburban public transport.

The light-rail route would connect North Tce, West Tce, Henley Beach Rd and Airport Rd, becoming the biggest addition to Adelaide’s tram network since suburban lines other than Glenelg were ripped up by 1958.

Battery-powered trams, which recharge while at stations and through excess energy as hybrid cars do, are considered an option to avoid the need for poles and wires along the route.

Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan said the proposal would be assessed but would “need to offer something unique and innovative to progress”, while Adelaide Airport declared it was “supportive of an affordable light-rail service between the airport and Adelaide’s CBD”.

The State Government in 2015 proposed a tram-led revival for Adelaide through an unfunded AdeLINK project, with six routes including a WestLINK line along Henley Beach Rd with a spur to the airport.

Downer’s proposed route would kickstart WestLINK and terminate outside the airport’s $50 million hotel, now being built on the old carpark to the terminal’s north and expected to open late next year.

From the hotel terminus, the route would run along Airport Rd without stops until Henley Beach Rd, where about three stops are likely before another express stretch along Glover Ave and West Tce.

The line would connect with the existing tram route at North Tce, near the Royal Adelaide Hospital.

A Downer proposal document, obtained by the Sunday Mail, says the Airport WestLINK service would deliver benefits including a fast and modern airport transport link, reduced traffic on busy major roads, increased public transport use and reduced carbon emissions.

It is understood Downer, Australia’s largest light-rail operator, in a joint venture with French firm Keolis, hopes to make a financial return by operating the line as part of the Adelaide Metro network under a 30-year contract with the State Government.

Should talks with the Government be successful, Downer is proposing to start work after early next year finishing construction of the $80 million East End tram extension, which is being built in a joint venture with South Australian firm York Civil.

Downer spokesman Michael Sharp said: “Continuation of the AdeLINK North Tce extension with a new service to the airport will provide greener light-rail public transport to better connect the communities of West Torrens and the West End with the CBD and the City of Adelaide with the airport.”

Mr Mullighan highlighted previous tram extensions to Adelaide Railway Station and the Entertainment Centre, saying the East End and Festival Plaza extensions were the first stages of lines to Norwood and North Adelaide, along with a City Loop.

He cast doubt over the Downer proposal’s viability, saying strict government policy was to preserve public ownership of trams and trains, because Liberal-led bus privatisation in the 1990s had caused lower patronage, service levels and reliability.

“The proposal would also mean separate tram operators, workforces, a separate tram fleet, all of which adds complexity, inefficiency and cost as opposed to all being centrally run and managed by the public,” he said.

“It is also unclear whether part of the funding model requires a new tax to be imposed on land owners along Henley Beach Rd, which the government would be opposed to.”

An Adelaide Airport spokesman said provision had been made in the airport’s master plan for a potential light-rail spur along Sir Richard Williams Ave to the Airport Business District, a planned 100ha cluster of private and government enterprise, including the 165-room Atura hotel.

“It (an affordable CBD light rail link) would provide an attractive long-term transport solution for our customers, while supporting continued growth of the airport,” he said.

Opposition transport spokesman David Pisoni said the SA Liberals supported expanding the public transport system but wanted projects to be well-managed, declaring people were sick of foolish decisions such as the failure to have trams turning right on to North Tce as part of the East End extension.

[PeFe]

“The proposal would also mean separate tram operators, workforces, a separate tram fleet, all of which adds complexity, inefficiency and cost as opposed to all being centrally run and managed by the public,” he said.

“It is also unclear whether part of the funding model requires a new tax to be imposed on land owners along Henley Beach Rd, which the government would be opposed to.”

What about the extension to Henley Beach?

Battery-powered trams, which recharge while at stations and through excess energy as hybrid cars do, are considered an option to avoid the need for poles and wires along the route.

And cost a shit load more ...and the trams cant be used on conventional tram routes etc etc

[Norman]

What about the extension to Henley Beach?

That was canned a few months ago, the business case for that part was not strong enough.

[Norman]

New poles are going up in the vicinity of the North Terrace/King William Street intersection. These will support the new overhead lines. The intersection will be closed from January 1 to 15.

[Goodsy]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/majo ... 9cb2e5d674

Major firm Downer proposes $500 million light rail link between Adelaide CBD and Adelaide Airport
Paul Starick, Sunday Mail (SA)
December 16, 2017 8:30am
Subscriber only

A PRIVATELY funded 6km light-rail line linking Adelaide Airport to the city, costing up to $500 million, is being proposed by one of Australia’s largest companies.

The builder of Adelaide’s East End tram extension, the Downer group, has lodged an unsolicited bid with the State Government to build, fund and operate an airport link.

In a move calculated to pre-empt campaign promises for the state election next March, Sydney-based Downer’s submission argues a dedicated airport light-rail service would boost tourism by better connecting travellers to the city, and enhance suburban public transport.

The light-rail route would connect North Tce, West Tce, Henley Beach Rd and Airport Rd, becoming the biggest addition to Adelaide’s tram network since suburban lines other than Glenelg were ripped up by 1958.

Battery-powered trams, which recharge while at stations and through excess energy as hybrid cars do, are considered an option to avoid the need for poles and wires along the route.

Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan said the proposal would be assessed but would “need to offer something unique and innovative to progress”, while Adelaide Airport declared it was “supportive of an affordable light-rail service between the airport and Adelaide’s CBD”.

The State Government in 2015 proposed a tram-led revival for Adelaide through an unfunded AdeLINK project, with six routes including a WestLINK line along Henley Beach Rd with a spur to the airport.

Downer’s proposed route would kickstart WestLINK and terminate outside the airport’s $50 million hotel, now being built on the old carpark to the terminal’s north and expected to open late next year.

From the hotel terminus, the route would run along Airport Rd without stops until Henley Beach Rd, where about three stops are likely before another express stretch along Glover Ave and West Tce.

The line would connect with the existing tram route at North Tce, near the Royal Adelaide Hospital.

A Downer proposal document, obtained by the Sunday Mail, says the Airport WestLINK service would deliver benefits including a fast and modern airport transport link, reduced traffic on busy major roads, increased public transport use and reduced carbon emissions.

It is understood Downer, Australia’s largest light-rail operator, in a joint venture with French firm Keolis, hopes to make a financial return by operating the line as part of the Adelaide Metro network under a 30-year contract with the State Government.

Should talks with the Government be successful, Downer is proposing to start work after early next year finishing construction of the $80 million East End tram extension, which is being built in a joint venture with South Australian firm York Civil.

Downer spokesman Michael Sharp said: “Continuation of the AdeLINK North Tce extension with a new service to the airport will provide greener light-rail public transport to better connect the communities of West Torrens and the West End with the CBD and the City of Adelaide with the airport.”

Mr Mullighan highlighted previous tram extensions to Adelaide Railway Station and the Entertainment Centre, saying the East End and Festival Plaza extensions were the first stages of lines to Norwood and North Adelaide, along with a City Loop.

He cast doubt over the Downer proposal’s viability, saying strict government policy was to preserve public ownership of trams and trains, because Liberal-led bus privatisation in the 1990s had caused lower patronage, service levels and reliability.

“The proposal would also mean separate tram operators, workforces, a separate tram fleet, all of which adds complexity, inefficiency and cost as opposed to all being centrally run and managed by the public,” he said.

“It is also unclear whether part of the funding model requires a new tax to be imposed on land owners along Henley Beach Rd, which the government would be opposed to.”

An Adelaide Airport spokesman said provision had been made in the airport’s master plan for a potential light-rail spur along Sir Richard Williams Ave to the Airport Business District, a planned 100ha cluster of private and government enterprise, including the 165-room Atura hotel.

“It (an affordable CBD light rail link) would provide an attractive long-term transport solution for our customers, while supporting continued growth of the airport,” he said.

Opposition transport spokesman David Pisoni said the SA Liberals supported expanding the public transport system but wanted projects to be well-managed, declaring people were sick of foolish decisions such as the failure to have trams turning right on to North Tce as part of the East End extension.

So Downer has done their modeling and determined that they can turn a profit from operating that line. They should be told to shove it up their ass, that money belongs in the public coffers

[Waewick]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/majo ... 9cb2e5d674

Major firm Downer proposes $500 million light rail link between Adelaide CBD and Adelaide Airport
Paul Starick, Sunday Mail (SA)
December 16, 2017 8:30am
Subscriber only

A PRIVATELY funded 6km light-rail line linking Adelaide Airport to the city, costing up to $500 million, is being proposed by one of Australia’s largest companies.

The builder of Adelaide’s East End tram extension, the Downer group, has lodged an unsolicited bid with the State Government to build, fund and operate an airport link.

In a move calculated to pre-empt campaign promises for the state election next March, Sydney-based Downer’s submission argues a dedicated airport light-rail service would boost tourism by better connecting travellers to the city, and enhance suburban public transport.

The light-rail route would connect North Tce, West Tce, Henley Beach Rd and Airport Rd, becoming the biggest addition to Adelaide’s tram network since suburban lines other than Glenelg were ripped up by 1958.

Battery-powered trams, which recharge while at stations and through excess energy as hybrid cars do, are considered an option to avoid the need for poles and wires along the route.

Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan said the proposal would be assessed but would “need to offer something unique and innovative to progress”, while Adelaide Airport declared it was “supportive of an affordable light-rail service between the airport and Adelaide’s CBD”.

The State Government in 2015 proposed a tram-led revival for Adelaide through an unfunded AdeLINK project, with six routes including a WestLINK line along Henley Beach Rd with a spur to the airport.

Downer’s proposed route would kickstart WestLINK and terminate outside the airport’s $50 million hotel, now being built on the old carpark to the terminal’s north and expected to open late next year.

From the hotel terminus, the route would run along Airport Rd without stops until Henley Beach Rd, where about three stops are likely before another express stretch along Glover Ave and West Tce.

The line would connect with the existing tram route at North Tce, near the Royal Adelaide Hospital.

A Downer proposal document, obtained by the Sunday Mail, says the Airport WestLINK service would deliver benefits including a fast and modern airport transport link, reduced traffic on busy major roads, increased public transport use and reduced carbon emissions.

It is understood Downer, Australia’s largest light-rail operator, in a joint venture with French firm Keolis, hopes to make a financial return by operating the line as part of the Adelaide Metro network under a 30-year contract with the State Government.

Should talks with the Government be successful, Downer is proposing to start work after early next year finishing construction of the $80 million East End tram extension, which is being built in a joint venture with South Australian firm York Civil.

Downer spokesman Michael Sharp said: “Continuation of the AdeLINK North Tce extension with a new service to the airport will provide greener light-rail public transport to better connect the communities of West Torrens and the West End with the CBD and the City of Adelaide with the airport.”

Mr Mullighan highlighted previous tram extensions to Adelaide Railway Station and the Entertainment Centre, saying the East End and Festival Plaza extensions were the first stages of lines to Norwood and North Adelaide, along with a City Loop.

He cast doubt over the Downer proposal’s viability, saying strict government policy was to preserve public ownership of trams and trains, because Liberal-led bus privatisation in the 1990s had caused lower patronage, service levels and reliability.

“The proposal would also mean separate tram operators, workforces, a separate tram fleet, all of which adds complexity, inefficiency and cost as opposed to all being centrally run and managed by the public,” he said.

“It is also unclear whether part of the funding model requires a new tax to be imposed on land owners along Henley Beach Rd, which the government would be opposed to.”

An Adelaide Airport spokesman said provision had been made in the airport’s master plan for a potential light-rail spur along Sir Richard Williams Ave to the Airport Business District, a planned 100ha cluster of private and government enterprise, including the 165-room Atura hotel.

“It (an affordable CBD light rail link) would provide an attractive long-term transport solution for our customers, while supporting continued growth of the airport,” he said.

Opposition transport spokesman David Pisoni said the SA Liberals supported expanding the public transport system but wanted projects to be well-managed, declaring people were sick of foolish decisions such as the failure to have trams turning right on to North Tce as part of the East End extension.

So Downer has done their modeling and determined that they can turn a profit from operating that line. They should be told to shove it up their ass, that money belongs in the public coffers

So lets wait 50 years till the State can afford it?

If they want to invest $500m into the State let them.

[Norman]

Not if it's at the expense of inflated ticket prices, non-integration into the existing system and incompatible rolling stock. It will end up like a mix of the Sydney Metro, the Sydney Monorail and Brisbane Airport Link., most likely all the bad parts from them.

[Waewick]

Here we go. Bring on that SA cant do attitude.