News & Discussion: Trams

[Goodsy]

I love reading The Advertiser's attempts at trying to bash this when their reporters have little to no idea what they're talking about... I agree that the State government are stupid for not including the r/h turn but for Pisoni to chime in and say that the government had one last chance to get the job done properly... a). the Liberals have long been opposed to the extension of tram network (and have zero PT plan for if they were to win government), they're not one's to talk about how the project should be done. b). if the government were to spend up the extra $$ to include the r/h turn, the Libs would then bash the government saying something along the lines of: "Had this been included in the original plan, it wouldn't have cost as much to include!" You can never win with these morons.

It's partly Labors fault, how hard is it to just publish the entire plan and show that there's no need for a right hand turn. We really need the agency that Victoria uses to advertise their infrastructure

[Honey of a City]

I love reading The Advertiser's attempts at trying to bash this when their reporters have little to no idea what they're talking about... I agree that the State government are stupid for not including the r/h turn but for Pisoni to chime in and say that the government had one last chance to get the job done properly... a). the Liberals have long been opposed to the extension of tram network (and have zero PT plan for if they were to win government), they're not one's to talk about how the project should be done. b). if the government were to spend up the extra $$ to include the r/h turn, the Libs would then bash the government saying something along the lines of: "Had this been included in the original plan, it wouldn't have cost as much to include!" You can never win with these morons.

Like the Advertiser, the Libs have form when contradicting themselves, perpetuating their irrelevance. They opposed the extension of the tram from Vic Square to the Entertainment Centre using the "white elephant" furphy and a short time later whined about insufficient capacity due to the massive uptake by commuters. They brought back the white elephant for the Torrens footbridge and five minutes later said it should have been wider due to the number of people using it. They need a few lessons in integrity, consistency and vision before they're handed control of our infrastructure.

[rubberman]

I must be the only one that thinks not having the right hand turn from King William Street to North Terrace was the right decision.

There's no route planned for the whole system that makes any sense. So, for it to be used, the time frame has got to be after the rest of the system is completed. Ten years at least. At least. Ok, so the points won't be used for ten years. That means that the blades will be worn one way. So, likely with the uneven wear, they will have to be replaced. Similarly, the crossing pieces. So, the intersection will still need a lot of digging up, IF there's an extension to the Adelink system. Of course, that's if some unplanned extra addition to Adelink happens in ten years. If not, then it's been a total waste. Of course, extra curves are great for bikes to ride over in wet weather. However, I'd be happy if the ACC and others calling for it to finance it. With the proviso of them getting their money back if it is ever used.

Anyhow, the special work is here, too late.

Special work awaiting installation.

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[The Scooter Guy]

From Thursday:

[Brucetiki]

I love reading The Advertiser's attempts at trying to bash this when their reporters have little to no idea what they're talking about... I agree that the State government are stupid for not including the r/h turn but for Pisoni to chime in and say that the government had one last chance to get the job done properly... a). the Liberals have long been opposed to the extension of tram network (and have zero PT plan for if they were to win government), they're not one's to talk about how the project should be done. b). if the government were to spend up the extra $$ to include the r/h turn, the Libs would then bash the government saying something along the lines of: "Had this been included in the original plan, it wouldn't have cost as much to include!" You can never win with these morons.

I shudder to think what damage Pisoni can do as transport minister if the Libs get up in March. Sit back and do nothing for 4 years crying ‘we don’t need it’ or doing such a half arsed effort it’ll have to be corrected at much expense later on (and the Libs have solid form on that front).

[citywatcher]

I love reading The Advertiser's attempts at trying to bash this when their reporters have little to no idea what they're talking about... I agree that the State government are stupid for not including the r/h turn but for Pisoni to chime in and say that the government had one last chance to get the job done properly... a). the Liberals have long been opposed to the extension of tram network (and have zero PT plan for if they were to win government), they're not one's to talk about how the project should be done. b). if the government were to spend up the extra $$ to include the r/h turn, the Libs would then bash the government saying something along the lines of: "Had this been included in the original plan, it wouldn't have cost as much to include!" You can never win with these morons.

I shudder to think what damage Pisoni can do as transport minister if the Libs get up in March. Sit back and do nothing for 4 years crying ‘we don’t need it’ or doing such a half arsed effort it’ll have to be corrected at much expense later on (and the Libs have solid form on that front).

Be fair
Their mates who own small businesses will get tax cuts and penalty rates cuts which will lead to more employment ...........

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[Norman]

Does anyone know how the new Festival Plaza/Riverbank tram stop/scheduling will work? Will the trams from the casino turn left onto King William St or will the existing line just keep going straight (or both?) and how will it impact the existing route/how often they run? I know the tram from the entertainment centre/casino will run up/down North Tce to service those new stops.

At this stage I believe it will only operate during match days to supplement trams to and from Glenelg (so they don't clog up the line to West Terrace), and during peak hour. As the government has not said anything specifically about this extension, this is only a guess.

[how good is he]

Thanks Norman, I thought the same and am wondering when the actual timetable/how it will operate will be announced? Also does anyone know if all the existing bitumen/road surrounding the length of the tram extension (both on North Tce & King William Rd) will be re~laid? I hope so...

[rubberman]

On the one hand, given that the idea of the extension northwards was only supposed to get the track clear of the North Terrace intersection, the idea that it only gets occasional use makes a lot of sense. It serves the original purpose of clearing the intersection of further digups, plus allows useful capacity for oval and riverside activities as a bonus.

On the other hand, to do that wouldn't require the full scissors crossover at Riverside. Usually, you'd only have a single crossover such as at Glenelg. That arrangement is much safer when the extension to Prospect happens, since there's no facing points. It's also vastly cheaper. Scissors crossovers are really only useful for a service where trams layover AND are busy. The implication of installing a crossover being a busy service.

So, it will be interesting to see what they have in mind.

[Kasey771]

I love reading The Advertiser's attempts at trying to bash this when their reporters have little to no idea what they're talking about... I agree that the State government are stupid for not including the r/h turn but for Pisoni to chime in and say that the government had one last chance to get the job done properly... a). the Liberals have long been opposed to the extension of tram network (and have zero PT plan for if they were to win government), they're not one's to talk about how the project should be done. b). if the government were to spend up the extra $$ to include the r/h turn, the Libs would then bash the government saying something along the lines of: "Had this been included in the original plan, it wouldn't have cost as much to include!" You can never win with these morons.

On 30 Nov17 I emailed them asking for the State Liberal PT policy. Quick as a flash..nothing.
If they cant even respond to a simple question like mine I shan't be voting for them in March.
I just reminded myself about how annoyed I was with this so I've tweeted Steve Marshall direct. Lets see if I get a response this time?

[Eurostar]

Some trial runs from Festival Theatre to Glenelg and vice versa during Adelaide Fringe Festival should be considered.

[citywatcher]

I love reading The Advertiser's attempts at trying to bash this when their reporters have little to no idea what they're talking about... I agree that the State government are stupid for not including the r/h turn but for Pisoni to chime in and say that the government had one last chance to get the job done properly... a). the Liberals have long been opposed to the extension of tram network (and have zero PT plan for if they were to win government), they're not one's to talk about how the project should be done. b). if the government were to spend up the extra $$ to include the r/h turn, the Libs would then bash the government saying something along the lines of: "Had this been included in the original plan, it wouldn't have cost as much to include!" You can never win with these morons.

On 30 Nov17 I emailed them asking for the State Liberal PT policy. Quick as a flash..nothing.
If they cant even respond to a simple question like mine I shan't be voting for them in March.
I just reminded myself about how annoyed I was with this so I've tweeted Steve Marshall direct. Lets see if I get a response this time?

Don't tell Trevor farrant
He's busy writing the sequel to the pirate movie

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[Haso]

Happy New Year!

Today article from ABC news…

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-31/s ... re/9295488

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[rubberman]

Happy New Year!

Today article from ABC news…

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-31/s ... re/9295488

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LOL.

I have criticised the government for several aspects of the way they've gone about things tramwise, but one of the things they are doing right is the track work for. this extension with only minor teensy quibbles.

SA is doing this extension quicker, vastly cheaper, and with far less disruption than Sydney is doing a similar exercise in George Street Sydney. Not only has Sydney made it many times deeper (for the same axle loads), and by so doing increased the number of services needing relocation, they only a couple of months ago dug up and relaid an intersection in new rail and concrete that they now are relaying with a new crossing piece in. Unbelievable.

Yet, apparently the ABC reckons we have a problem?

We really should be getting praise for showing Sydney how it can be done.

[Norman]

That's really poor reporting from the ABC. Instead of helping people find alternatives to getting around or to the CBD, they focus on things they think makes Adelaide the joke of Australia, as if we're the only city who has ever made a mistake or done something a bit different given the circumstances.