News & Discussion: Trams

[Nort]

I think the “Riverbank” line should also run all weekends esp. for the tourists and obviously when events are on. The extension should really have gone an extra stop to Adelaide Oval, Ent. centre should have been extended one extra stop to Hindmarsh Stadium and North Tce one extra stop to East Tce/Rundle St.

The last North Tce stop is a stones throw from the East Tce corner (it's literally out the front of Ayers House).

I think what they’re doing is the best that could be done within the suspected constraint of: “must be complete before the election for $Xm fixed price.”



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Almost certainly, but at the same time not going all the way to East Terrace at this point is probably smart. If the line went all the way to East Terrace then part of it might need ripping up for adjustment if the tram is extended to actually turn down East Terrace.

[[Shuz]]

Whoever forms Government, it would be good if they announced a rolling public works program for of small projects for the tram network. These projects could be done inside of two months or so here and there at relatively cheap cost comparable to the works undertaken at present for the current extensions to the East End and Riverside. These would be costed in the tens of millions of dollars.

Assumed costs at the higher end - $5m per stop (inc. labour). $40,000 per metre of track inc. overheads and rail. $2.5m for new trams (1 per stop).

Entertainment Centre to Hindmarsh Stadium via Milner Street. Twin track, 700m. 1x stop at Hindmarsh Stadium. ($35.5m)

Jetty Road to Holdfast Shores Marina via Colley Terrace. Twin track, 490m. 2x stops at Moseley Square (relocated) and Holdfast Shores Marina. ($34.6m)

Riverside to Adelaide Oval via King William Road.
Twin track, 450m. 1x stop at Adelaide Oval. ($25.5m)

Adelaide Oval to North Adelaide via King William Road and O'Connell Street. Twin track, 730m. 2x stops at Women's and Children's Hospital (West) and Ward Street. ($44.2m)

Adelaide Oval to North Adelaide via Sir Edwin Smith Avenue and Melbourne Street. Twin track, 1.70km. 3x stops at Women's and Children's Hospital (East) and Jermingham Street and Park Terrace. ($90.5m)

[Norman]

As at 10am this morning.
Works on the intersection continue. The main intersection is getting dug out.







Services works have also commenced.



More of the North Terrace section was being dug up this morning.

[rubberman]

Whoever forms Government, it would be good if they announced a rolling public works program for of small projects for the tram network. These projects could be done inside of two months or so here and there at relatively cheap cost comparable to the works undertaken at present for the current extensions to the East End and Riverside. These would be costed at the lower scale of tens of millions of dollars.

Entertainment Centre to Hindmarsh Stadium via Milner Street. Twin track, 700m. 1x stop at Hindmarsh Stadium.

Jetty Road to Holdfast Shores Marina via Colley Terrace. Twin track, 490m. 2x stops at Moseley Square (relocated) and Holdfast Shores Marina. ($34.6m)

Riverside to Adelaide Oval via King William Road.
Twin track, 450m. 1x stop at Adelaide Oval. ($25.5m)

Adelaide Oval to North Adelaide via King William Road and O'Connell Street. Twin track, 730m. 2x stops at Women's and Children's Hospital and Ward Street. ($44.2m)

Assumed costs at the higher end - $5m per stop (inc. labour). $40,000 per metre of track inc. overheads and rail. $2.5m for new trams (1 per stop).

This, so much.

Might I add that since this would require some more trams the government must undertake a strategic study of what the best trams might be and buy those.

If we buy trams just one or two at a time, then we risk getting a fleet of forty or more costly and second class trams, because every time we needed a couple of extras, we used the standardisation excuse. That's sensible for one or two trams, but is insane when you end up with forty or more expensive trams.

Edit. I also meant to add that doing some small extensions like this over a few years gives us an opportunity to optimise track construction costs and techniques, bringing local smaller contractors and consultants up to speed on this as well. This would mean that if and when a large program is funded, we would be able to proceed with experienced engineering expertise as well as experienced local contractors.

[Goodsy]

maybe it's time we start looking at building our own.. Or temping a builder to setup shop here

[EBG]

A couple of pictures from today Wed 3/1/18.

[Kasey771]

in those latest pictures it looks suspiciously like a Right hand turn curve from KWS to North Tce. They aren't sneaking one in to guzzump the whingers are they?

[floplo]

Whoever forms Government, it would be good if they announced a rolling public works program for of small projects for the tram network. These projects could be done inside of two months or so here and there at relatively cheap cost comparable to the works undertaken at present for the current extensions to the East End and Riverside. These would be costed in the tens of millions of dollars.

Assumed costs at the higher end - $5m per stop (inc. labour). $40,000 per metre of track inc. overheads and rail. $2.5m for new trams (1 per stop).

Entertainment Centre to Hindmarsh Stadium via Milner Street. Twin track, 700m. 1x stop at Hindmarsh Stadium. ($35.5m)

Jetty Road to Holdfast Shores Marina via Colley Terrace. Twin track, 490m. 2x stops at Moseley Square (relocated) and Holdfast Shores Marina. ($34.6m)

Riverside to Adelaide Oval via King William Road.
Twin track, 450m. 1x stop at Adelaide Oval. ($25.5m)

Adelaide Oval to North Adelaide via King William Road and O'Connell Street. Twin track, 730m. 2x stops at Women's and Children's Hospital (West) and Ward Street. ($44.2m)

Adelaide Oval to North Adelaide via Sir Edwin Smith Avenue and Melbourne Street. Twin track, 1.70km. 3x stops at Women's and Children's Hospital (East) and Jermingham Street and Park Terrace. ($90.5m)

About anything going north:
Can the bridge actually take it?

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[Goodsy]

Whoever forms Government, it would be good if they announced a rolling public works program for of small projects for the tram network. These projects could be done inside of two months or so here and there at relatively cheap cost comparable to the works undertaken at present for the current extensions to the East End and Riverside. These would be costed in the tens of millions of dollars.

Assumed costs at the higher end - $5m per stop (inc. labour). $40,000 per metre of track inc. overheads and rail. $2.5m for new trams (1 per stop).

Entertainment Centre to Hindmarsh Stadium via Milner Street. Twin track, 700m. 1x stop at Hindmarsh Stadium. ($35.5m)

Jetty Road to Holdfast Shores Marina via Colley Terrace. Twin track, 490m. 2x stops at Moseley Square (relocated) and Holdfast Shores Marina. ($34.6m)

Riverside to Adelaide Oval via King William Road.
Twin track, 450m. 1x stop at Adelaide Oval. ($25.5m)

Adelaide Oval to North Adelaide via King William Road and O'Connell Street. Twin track, 730m. 2x stops at Women's and Children's Hospital (West) and Ward Street. ($44.2m)

Adelaide Oval to North Adelaide via Sir Edwin Smith Avenue and Melbourne Street. Twin track, 1.70km. 3x stops at Women's and Children's Hospital (East) and Jermingham Street and Park Terrace. ($90.5m)

About anything going north:
Can the bridge actually take it?

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well It used to be able to take it

[bits]

well It used to be able to take it

Are the modern trams comparable weight loads as the old trams? I thought most of the old trams were single old trolly cars.
Are the trucks and cars that share the same bridge rated the same? Eg Birkenhead Bridge is not rated for modern truck weight and speeds, trucks are heavier and faster these days.
Were there the same amount of car lanes as originally, in the past car lanes were typically much wider. Possible extra lanes have been squeezed in, again truck/car load may have changed.
Were the standards upgraded since then? Remember bridges and weirs in Adelaide washing away was common in the 1900's.
Is the bridge still in the same condition, or has it aged and requires repairs to keep the same ratings?

Saying something was good enough many decades ago really doesn't mean much.

[rubberman]

well It used to be able to take it

Are the modern trams comparable weight loads as the old trams? I thought most of the old trams were single old trolly cars.
Are the trucks and cars that share the same bridge rated the same? Eg Birkenhead Bridge is not rated for modern truck weight and speeds, trucks are heavier and faster these days.
Were there the same amount of car lanes as originally, in the past car lanes were typically much wider. Possible extra lanes have been squeezed in, again truck/car load may have changed.
Were the standards upgraded since then? Remember bridges and weirs in Adelaide washing away was common in the 1900's.
Is the bridge still in the same condition, or has it aged and requires repairs to keep the same ratings?

Saying something was good enough many decades ago really doesn't mean much.

The H class used to run to Cheltenham in the final days of the system. The even heavier H1 may have done some fan trips. The design load for Flexities is 8 Tonnes per axle. H class are a little under 5 Tonnes per axle unladen, and with 170 people as a crush load, that's about 3 Tonnes per axle extra. So, it is a very reasonable question. Also, Melbourne had lighter trams than Adelaide, yet there was no strengthening of the bridges across the Yarra afaik. Or was there? Hm, dunno.

On the face of it though, there at least ought to be a "please explain".

[Haso]

A couple of pictures from today Wed 3/1/18.

From what I can see they already dig out crossover… correct me please if I am mistaken. For me it looks like a logical move to change direction of crossover when will be only one right turn… btw thank you for the photos.
I will be not in the city until Friday…

Medo

[PD2/20]

From what I can see they already dig out crossover… correct me please if I am mistaken. For me it looks like a logical move to change direction of crossover when will be only one right turn… btw thank you for the photos.
I will be not in the city until Friday…

Medo

The crossover is to the left of the picture. The trucks with the trackwork are parked on top of the crossover. The excavation is where the lines to the Railway Station and the Festival Centre will diverge and also where the single track link from the East End will join in.

[PD2/20]

in those latest pictures it looks suspiciously like a Right hand turn curve from KWS to North Tce. They aren't sneaking one in to guzzump the whingers are they?

There are left turn tracks from the Festival Centre to East End and East End to Rundle Mall. See the map in the project brochure https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__ ... ersion.pdf. This map is consistent the track location markings that were laid out on the roadway prior to the Stage 2 & 3 works.

[metro]

in those latest pictures it looks suspiciously like a Right hand turn curve from KWS to North Tce. They aren't sneaking one in to guzzump the whingers are they?

I think that's just for the single track to allow Westbound trams on North Tce to turn left/South onto KWS, there's probably not going to be a 2nd track for Northbound trams on KWS to turn right/East onto North Tce.

On the topic of where next for the trams.. I'm guessing an election announcement of a Norwood tram along The Parade, maybe built in 2 stages: stage 1 to Kent Town and stage 2 to Norwood Town Hall. Norwood is a marginal and the State Opposition leader's own electorate.