News & Discussion: Trams

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2641 Post by rubberman » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:37 pm

For those interested in the CityLink proposal, here is the multi-criteria analysis.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&sour ... 2AfKSMlFBX

Most of the comments here so far have been addressed one way or the other in that analysis. So, anyone with strong views should read it. Those views may either be supported, or debunked with evidence. If supported, you can use it as ammo. If debunked, at least you know you have to do some research before you pipe up, or risk getting beaten up with evidence.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2642 Post by Haso » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:44 pm

rubberman wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:37 pm
For those interested in the CityLink proposal, here is the multi-criteria analysis.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&sour ... 2AfKSMlFBX

Most of the comments here so far have been addressed one way or the other in that analysis. So, anyone with strong views should read it. Those views may either be supported, or debunked with evidence. If supported, you can use it as ammo. If debunked, at least you know you have to do some research before you pipe up, or risk getting beaten up with evidence.
Before reading this report in full a few weeks ago, last October I went for a walk along the“proposed” route A based on this report – http://infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__data/ ... _FINAL.pdf
Before that I was relatively familiar with Hutt Street and the western part of Halifax Street… (next to the Greek restaurant). Sturt Street and the southern part of Morphett Street were Terra incognita for me. In short, I was not impressed with the route choice.
The report included in rubberman post also confirms issues expressed in my previous post, especially the population density in the southern part of the CBD… and not only that.
To me, this report misses one important component – today’s usage of public transport (per routes) in the southern part of the CBD ie daily movement of people who live in that area or coming to that area. Relying only on to lay the tracks to spur urban development I do not think it is a good idea… there are lot of works to do for the urban development in that area before the Loop.
Anyway we all like trams… so at the very bottom it might be only difference in timing when the Loop should start... and of course where it should go. Image
P.S. Thnaks for the photo in previous post... it's good to see something we do not talk much about.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2643 Post by Kasey771 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:49 pm

With the election only weeks away, has testing commenced on the new section of track along North terrace yet? Yes I'm just a little bit Excited that it's almost done.
I've always been using the election date as a rough end goal for the construction teams.


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Big infrastructure investments are usually under-valued and & over-criticized while in the planning stage. It's much easier to envision the here and now costs and inconveniences, and far more difficult to imagine fully the eventual benefits.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2644 Post by rubberman » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:21 pm

Kasey771 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:49 pm
With the election only weeks away, has testing commenced on the new section of track along North terrace yet? Yes I'm just a little bit Excited that it's almost done.
I've always been using the election date as a rough end goal for the construction teams.


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The overhead wiring is not yet complete. It is up, but there are still final adjustments (getting the wires in exactly the right spot) and attaching feeders. I'm also not sure if any upgrading to converter stations is required either for an extra 3 trams.

There's also the question of the finishing of the stops. There's at least two weeks work there, and that's if they exdigitate.

By the looks of it, there's probably a few more days work on the overhead and maybe a few more days after that on signals. At that point, it might be possible to run test and training trams when the people working on the stops are knocked off for the day. It would depend on their safety and risk assessment, I guess.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2645 Post by Kasey771 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:40 am

rubberman wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:21 pm
Kasey771 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:49 pm
With the election only weeks away, has testing commenced on the new section of track along North terrace yet? Yes I'm just a little bit Excited that it's almost done.
I've always been using the election date as a rough end goal for the construction teams.


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The overhead wiring is not yet complete. It is up, but there are still final adjustments (getting the wires in exactly the right spot) and attaching feeders. I'm also not sure if any upgrading to converter stations is required either for an extra 3 trams.

There's also the question of the finishing of the stops. There's at least two weeks work there, and that's if they exdigitate.

By the looks of it, there's probably a few more days work on the overhead and maybe a few more days after that on signals. At that point, it might be possible to run test and training trams when the people working on the stops are knocked off for the day. It would depend on their safety and risk assessment, I guess.
okay. Thanks for that. I thought there might have been self propelled test vehicles ensuring the tracks were all correct? [edit] I think its called a track geometry vehicle?
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2646 Post by Norman » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Wires are now strung along both tracks on North Terrace.

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#2647 Post by adelaide transport » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:23 pm

One of the latest ex Madrid Citadis trams 208 was sighted "Not in Service" doing test runs on King William Street this afternoon.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2648 Post by rubberman » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:58 pm

Here's 208 on Nth Tce/King Wm. St.
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#2649 Post by Norman » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:25 pm

Not much happened recently except the recent wiring and signalling, the Gawler Place stop is still very much in progress.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2650 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:29 pm

Any reason why they haven't laid the ramps as part of the platform slab?

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#2651 Post by GrowAdelaide » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:14 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:29 pm
Any reason why they haven't laid the ramps as part of the platform slab?
I'd guess to allow for movement due to expansion and contraction of the tracks in hot and cold weather

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2652 Post by SRW » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:31 am

I noticed the other night that the two yellow beams forming the north platform shelter were misaligned. Hoping they'll be made good as the stop is completed, because it looked fairly shoddy.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2653 Post by Haso » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:48 pm

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I went this morning for a walk from Riverside stop till ex RAH stop and I am not happy. There are a lot of works left to do… mainly at the stops.
What also puzzled me is that most of night working lights were on with generators humming all the way… and my walk was between 9am and 9:30am.
I am posting only two photos as we already have a lot from NT.

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and I was hoping that we will have tram running on 11/3...
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2654 Post by timtam20292 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:09 pm

Yes I'm also questioning why they aren't getting the works done sooner. Surely round the clock work should be happening?
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2655 Post by adelaide transport » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:36 pm

Can't see these new extensions being ready for regular services till after Easter(April).

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