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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2701 Post by Llessur2002 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:17 pm

As expected, this is still not a plan - it's just a wishy washy vision document outlining what may or may not happen.

To be honest, if the Libs did commit to the city loop and the North Adelaide line during their term I don't think it would be the worst things in terms of advancing the tram network - there are arguments for completing the city loop prior to the suburb extensions. Whether or not they'll genuinely be interested in doing it is another question but, as I've said before, I think Haese may be a glimmer of hope here as he seems to be quite pro-tram in the City. Hopefully a few of the Libs' rich mates will be sitting on blocks ripe for development in the general proximity of the proposed loop. It's a shame the loop isn't a true loop but Labor can always finish that off when they come back into power.

A couple of interesting snippets - the use of catenary-free trams on all further CBD extensions, daily fare caps (can our off-the-shelf system do that?) and the renewed (albeit long-term) focus on an underground north-south rail line in the CBD.

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We have had discussions with the Federal Government which have confirmed that an extension of city centre tram services would be eligible for support from its $10 billion National Rail Program for urban and regional passenger rail projects which will commence in 2019.
No further mention of rail electrification, which seems to be a missed opportunity. I thought they might also try to match some of Labor's level crossing removal promises as that would be a big drawcard for motorists commuting along those routes.

It's also interesting that when they speak of not supporting the metropolitan extensions they keep referring to the tram to the 'airport via Henley Beach Road' whereas the others just get Prospect, Unley and Norwood. I wonder if they would consider a dedicated line via the Keswick stormwater drain?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2702 Post by Honey of a City » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:22 pm

Nathan wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:55 pm
Liberal's transport policy here: https://strongplan.com.au/wp-content/up ... NSPORT.pdf

This would put an end to any extensions beyond the loop:
Based on expert advice, we have concluded that trams are not viable, workable or needed beyond the Adelaide Parklands and North Adelaide, except for the existing Glenelg line which is e ectively light rail in a segregated tramway corridor.
Put the question to Marshall about the right turn only being used on the part time purple route, and he's said the Ent Centre to Gouger St blue route would use it too, but their map doesn't support that at all...
It also doesn't seem to show North Adelaide passengers being able to go to North Terrace East (or indeed the RAH) without changing trams...wasn't that their whole argument about the lack of the right hand turn inconveniencing Glenelg line passengers for which we'll be paying $37 million plus? Looks like the map was done on the back of a serviette during a policy-panic lunch.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2703 Post by Nathan » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:28 pm

Even worse, something we all missed but InDaily has picked up on, no routes from Glenelg to the nRAH — you'll have to transfer to either the blue line on North Tce (I suggest people get off at Rundle Mall and walk to Gawler Place ;) ) or to the yellow shuttle line.

So the issue that the Liberals have been harping on about in terms of access between Glenelg and the East End, will instead apply to Glenelg and the West End. :sly:

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2704 Post by Brucetiki » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:54 pm

Nathan wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:55 pm
Liberal's transport policy here: https://strongplan.com.au/wp-content/up ... NSPORT.pdf

This would put an end to any extensions beyond the loop:
Based on expert advice, we have concluded that trams are not viable, workable or needed beyond the Adelaide Parklands and North Adelaide, except for the existing Glenelg line which is e ectively light rail in a segregated tramway corridor.
Put the question to Marshall about the right turn only being used on the part time purple route, and he's said the Ent Centre to Gouger St blue route would use it too, but their map doesn't support that at all...
Why would an Entertainment Centre-Gouger St route need a right hand turn from King William St to North Tce?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2705 Post by adelaide transport » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:38 pm

Brucetiki wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:54 pm
Nathan wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:55 pm
Liberal's transport policy here: https://strongplan.com.au/wp-content/up ... NSPORT.pdf

This would put an end to any extensions beyond the loop:
Based on expert advice, we have concluded that trams are not viable, workable or needed beyond the Adelaide Parklands and North Adelaide, except for the existing Glenelg line which is e ectively light rail in a segregated tramway corridor.
Put the question to Marshall about the right turn only being used on the part time purple route, and he's said the Ent Centre to Gouger St blue route would use it too, but their map doesn't support that at all...
Why would an Entertainment Centre-Gouger St route need a right hand turn from King William St to North Tce?
This would be for the for the loop service as it says "turning right from King William Street onto North Terrace.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2706 Post by Nathan » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:40 pm

adelaide transport wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:38 pm
Brucetiki wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:54 pm
Nathan wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:55 pm
Liberal's transport policy here: https://strongplan.com.au/wp-content/up ... NSPORT.pdf

This would put an end to any extensions beyond the loop:


Put the question to Marshall about the right turn only being used on the part time purple route, and he's said the Ent Centre to Gouger St blue route would use it too, but their map doesn't support that at all...
Why would an Entertainment Centre-Gouger St route need a right hand turn from King William St to North Tce?
This would be for the for the loop service as it says "turning right from King William Street onto North Terrace.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2707 Post by Llessur2002 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:54 pm

Glad to see Steven's on top of this.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2708 Post by Nathan » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:56 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:54 pm
Glad to see Steven's on top of this.
Note he hasn't responded to my follow up query on how does the right turn get used for blue route ;)

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2709 Post by Llessur2002 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:11 pm

A strong plan.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2710 Post by Goodsy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:18 pm

atleast the Libs now have something they can point to when people ask for their plan.. The least Labor could do is put out a proposed route list to prove their plan doesnt need a right hand turn

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2711 Post by I Follow PAFC » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:19 pm

Due to a technical issue #trams are currently only running between Glenelg and Beckman Street. Updates to come.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2712 Post by victorious80 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:23 pm

http://maps.sa.gov.au/ITLUP/

or

http://www.transportplan.sa.gov.au/

note itlup's been publicly accessible online for nearly 3 years

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2713 Post by adelaide transport » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:48 pm

I Follow PAFC wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:19 pm
Due to a technical issue #trams are currently only running between Glenelg and Beckman Street. Updates to come.
https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announ ... es-to-come
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2714 Post by Goodsy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:51 pm

victorious80 wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:23 pm
http://maps.sa.gov.au/ITLUP/

or

http://www.transportplan.sa.gov.au/

note itlup's been publicly accessible online for nearly 3 years
Publicly available, and yet barely anyone knows about it. It's been on the web for 3 years, but the voters their trying to win over don't know the internet exists beyond Facebook. A single, easy to follow route map that can be shared is what they need

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2715 Post by adelaide transport » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:09 pm

Chaos at corner of King William Street and North Terrace where a tram broke down about 2 hours ago, blocking the intersection.It appears the tram flipped its pantograph, the second incident in 2 days. Initially trams to/from Glenelg were only running as far as Beckman Street Glandore ,with sub buses from there.
Adelaide Metro have advised that trams are now running Victoria Square to Glenelg and return, with sub buses Victoria Square to Entertainment Centre.

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