Ideas for a greater public transport system

[jimmy_2486]

You fergot about the tonsley line....that could goto the grange line.
And belair to outer harbour....and noarlunga to gawler.

[Cruise]

Better hurray up and get the Marj Tahal built, I can hear the Parklands Preservation Societys' collective hearts defribulating as as they hear about re-routing the rail lines through the west parklands. Good Luck!

Still, I like it CC.

i was waiting to hear someone bring up the parklands lol

TBH my plan just came out to out of nowhere when i saw adelaide high school written on normans map it just clicked in lol

[Cruise]

That's excellent work there, CC. The only thing I would be worried about is that all the Noarlunga and Belair Trains can't make up all the Grange, Gawler and Outer Harbour lines, but we could just use the rail yards in Keswick and Goodwood to terminate some lines.

But other than that, well done

I would also plan a new spur line to buckland park to serve the new devlopment out there

[Ho Really]

Better hurray up and get the Marj Tahal built, I can hear the Parklands Preservation Societys' collective hearts defribulating as as they hear about re-routing the rail lines through the west parklands. Good Luck!

Still, I like it CC.

i was waiting to hear someone bring up the parklands lol

TBH my plan just came out to out of nowhere when i saw adelaide high school written on normans map it just clicked in lol

If it's going to be underground where's the problem? Why should they complain?

Cheers

[Norman]

Well, unless you're using the boring method of tunnelling, you will have to remove a few trees for open cut building. I don't think Adelaide's soil is solid enough (especially from the water levels) to allow the former, so the latter would have to be used.

However, I would shit on them if they plan this and the Parkland Babies complain.

[Ho Really]

Well, unless you're using the boring method of tunnelling, you will have to remove a few trees for open cut building. I don't think Adelaide's soil is solid enough (especially from the water levels) to allow the former, so the latter would have to be used.

However, I would shit on them if they plan this and the Parkland Babies complain.

What about the West Terrace Cemetery, Kingston Gardens and Adelaide High School? Will open cut work there as well?

Cheers

[Cruise]

my intention was of boring a tunnel, but hey im no engineer
I like looking for a cheap solution to everything

[Ho Really]

my intention was of boring a tunnel, but hey im no engineer
I like looking for a cheap solution to everything

I know, and it's also fun...

Cheers

[Cruise]

I know, and it's also fun...

Cheers

I'll admit, im actually really enjoying this

[Cruise]

An alteration to my plan, the train line could run under West Terrace, Built via cut and cover to keep it out of the parklands and cemertry.

Major station moved to northern side of Adelaide High School for easy access to MJN Hospital (with a pedestrain bridge over port road).

Also included a loop to the old station for trains to turn around to go back on the Noarlunga, Belair lines or for special events.

Any ideas where i can have train, tram stations?

[Cruise]

Interesting solution. Expanding on this idea why not have the loop line go underground at the Morphett Street Bridge and go south under Morphett Street and then loop back at the Keswick station after a section under the parklands. My reasoning is this: west of the Morphett Street Bridge you can build a bus tram interchange over the railyards which can be accessed by North Terrace and Morphett Streets. THis could become the de facto central station or you could build one (expensive) under Light Square. The tram on North Terrace can terminate at the West Campus or continue somewhere else (Henley Beach, Airport, etc.). The underground line can also serve the new apartments at The Precinct, etc., and the growing number of people that will live there in the next 5 to 10 years.

Cheers

The reason i didnt include your loop line idea (well i sort of have) is im unsure how much room the hospital will take up

Any ideas on train stations and tram stops?

[Norman]

Any ideas on train stations and tram stops?

Victoria Square, Town Hall, Rundle Mall, Railway Station, Morphett Bridge, Adelaide West Station (Main Station), St. Marys College, Central Market, Victoria Square.

[Düsseldorfer]

My ideas, lots of inspiration from what we've got in Germany.

1: reduce the number of buses driving around city streets have them stay only at the boundrys of North Tce, East Tce, South Tce and West Tce have two bus interchanges in the city one in the North-East Corner for all North-East buses including the O-bahn and some country buses. Same in the South-West corner have an interchange for all South-West bus services.

2: Have a new Central Station built over the railyards (hopefully still enough room there with the planned hospital) it should have both Suburban and Regional services along with Intercity services. Suburban trains continue into an underground loop line, Regional and Intercity trains terminate at City-West.

3: Make a Suburban Rail system run on lines North-South, East-West. Eg, A train starts at Gawler and runs to Noarlunga via an underground city line (doesn't need to be huge just 3-4 stops) same with East-West Trains, Start in Belair run to the city then straight on to Port Adelaide.

4: Introduce new tram lines, perhaps to the Airport and Henley Beach and Grange, one running north to the outer reaches of Prospect and one running east either along the Parade in Norwood or up into Walkerville. These trams in the city would run services similar to the City-loop bus, the trams could even be numbered that way, Glenelg tram could be B-line (it replaced the B-line bus), the one going north could be the C-line, then D-line, E-line etc etc.

5: With in the City the two methods for getting around should be A) the underground, B) the Tram or C) bicycle.

6: Buses are used for running feeder services to the trams or trains and to run main-line services to where ever a train doesn't go.

7: have all rail electrified and improve the quality of stations and stops by having real-time information both Audio and Visual, adequate sheltering and a frequent and efficient service.

8: New rolling stock!! German style S-Bahn (EMU or loco hauled carriages)trains capable of speeds of 160kph (no joke, they are damn fast) to replace 3/100, 2/100 railcars which could be re-furbed for country services. Different Trams, Alstom Citadis like the ones they have in Paris, and Bombardier Flexity Swift K4500 same used by Cologne's KVB, much better than the Flexity Classics we have currently.

But this plan would take forever and cost millions, possibly billions to do.

[Ho Really]

Thank you for your input Düsseldorfer. Wish Adelaide had more density, especially around the transport corridors and suburban major centres. More people would definitely use the PT system then.

Cheers

[Norman]

My ideas, lots of inspiration from what we've got in Germany.

I too am from Germany, so a lot of my work was inspired from there as well.

1: reduce the number of buses driving around city streets have them stay only at the boundrys of North Tce, East Tce, South Tce and West Tce have two bus interchanges in the city one in the North-East Corner for all North-East buses including the O-bahn and some country buses. Same in the South-West corner have an interchange for all South-West bus services.

I disagree with that one, Adelaide is a huge city size-wise, and I doubt people are prepared to walk that far for the bus. Reduce buses in the City, sure, but keep them in the centre.

2: Have a new Central Station built over the railyards (hopefully still enough room there with the planned hospital) it should have both Suburban and Regional services along with Intercity services. Suburban trains continue into an underground loop line, Regional and Intercity trains terminate at City-West.

Again, the location of the station is a problem. The suburbans should be run through the centre of the city to allow maximum accessibility.

3: Make a Suburban Rail system run on lines North-South, East-West. Eg, A train starts at Gawler and runs to Noarlunga via an underground city line (doesn't need to be huge just 3-4 stops) same with East-West Trains, Start in Belair run to the city then straight on to Port Adelaide.

That's just about what I have. Through-running increases efficiancy in the system. That's why in Stuttgart they are spending billions on making their Main Station into a through-running station. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21)

4: Introduce new tram lines, perhaps to the Airport and Henley Beach and Grange, one running north to the outer reaches of Prospect and one running east either along the Parade in Norwood or up into Walkerville. These trams in the city would run services similar to the City-loop bus, the trams could even be numbered that way, Glenelg tram could be B-line (it replaced the B-line bus), the one going north could be the C-line, then D-line, E-line etc etc.

Yes, but those trams need to run underground in certain areas. A lot of Germany's tram systems are essentially dual subway/tram systems as they go underground in areas where there isn't a lot of room on the road or obstacles like hills are in the way.

5: With in the City the two methods for getting around should be A) the underground, B) the Tram or C) bicycle.

Bikes are a bit more difficult as Adelaide is huge area-wise, but it's still a good way to get to the city if you live within a certain radius of the city.

6: Buses are used for running feeder services to the trams or trains and to run main-line services to where ever a train doesn't go.

Very true, they used that system in Germany, you'd hop on a tram (underground station of course) and you'd travel a few stops and then catch the bus home. This system is especially useful (in the example of Adelaide) at the route of 195-197. The subway would carry travellers to Clapham, then Buses would take people the rest of the way. This way they avoid the traffic on Unley Road, but still can get dropped off in Blackwood. It also increases on-timelyness.

I'm currently working on individual bus routes in my project, that will hopefully be done soon.

7: have all rail electrified and improve the quality of stations and stops by having real-time information both Audio and Visual, adequate sheltering and a frequent and efficient service.

I definitely agree there, most train stations here are disgraceful.

8: New rolling stock!! German style S-Bahn (EMU or loco hauled carriages)trains capable of speeds of 160kph (no joke, they are damn fast) to replace 3/100, 2/100 railcars which could be re-furbed for country services. Different Trams, Alstom Citadis like the ones they have in Paris, and Bombardier Flexity Swift K4500 same used by Cologne's KVB, much better than the Flexity Classics we have currently.

Again, agree with the S-Bahn, they are very modern and very fast indeed.

But this plan would take forever and cost millions, possibly billions to do.

What imaginary plan doesn't