News & Discussion: Trams
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What's the bet that as part of doing this they would get an agreement to remove the bus stop from the airport.
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What makes them incompatible and your first statement is pure garbage by the wayGoodsy wrote:hopefully it's held up to the point of dying. There shouldn't be two separate tram systems that are incompatible with each othercitywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:33 pmThe hold up would appear to be political now
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If they build with no overhead wires the rest of the fleet will be useless on the routecitywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:22 pmWhat makes them incompatible and your first statement is pure garbage by the wayGoodsy wrote:hopefully it's held up to the point of dying. There shouldn't be two separate tram systems that are incompatible with each othercitywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:33 pmThe hold up would appear to be political now
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Fair point but it will be good in the long run I'm hoping like the kw st extension has been good for the cityGoodsy wrote:If they build with no overhead wires the rest of the fleet will be useless on the routecitywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:22 pmWhat makes them incompatible and your first statement is pure garbage by the wayGoodsy wrote: hopefully it's held up to the point of dying. There shouldn't be two separate tram systems that are incompatible with each other
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It can be made to work and also be a boon but not if people are deliberately not willing
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Sydney and Brisbane already have heavy rail lines to their airports Perth is tunnelling to the airport and Melbourne is selecting the best of the 4 or 5 routes put forward and Adelaide is going round in circles- all talk and no Action.
PS isn't time to start the FMC link and the port Adelaide dock link???????????????
PS isn't time to start the FMC link and the port Adelaide dock link???????????????
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Adelaide Airport is unique in being so close to the city.EBG wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:47 amSydney and Brisbane already have heavy rail lines to their airports Perth is tunnelling to the airport and Melbourne is selecting the best of the 4 or 5 routes put forward and Adelaide is going round in circles- all talk and no Action.
PS isn't time to start the FMC link and the port Adelaide dock link???????????????
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A couple more points.citywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:45 pmFair point but it will be good in the long run I'm hoping like the kw st extension has been good for the cityGoodsy wrote:If they build with no overhead wires the rest of the fleet will be useless on the routecitywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:22 pmWhat makes them incompatible and your first statement is pure garbage by the way
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If the line is privately owned, then there's no guarantee that they would allow anyone else to use it. Or, they could charge a big premium to allow it to happen. Sydney airport charged a lot for the rail access. Then, there's only three stops planned. So, would they allow more stops for the Adelaide Metro services? If that held up the private service to the airport, I'd doubt they'll agree. Then, there's different wheel/rail profiles. The dunderheads building the new light rail in Sydney built it to a different wheel profile compared to the existing line. So, they can't run on each other's system in traffic. Apparently, they can run at low speeds for transfer purposes, but not at service speed. Then, it's likely to cost hundreds of millions more over the life of the line, because private builders will need to borrow at several percent higher interest than government. Say $20m per year extra over thirty years. How much is that in dollarydoos?
All of this could be avoided by the government knowing how to do it, and take it on when it makes economic sense. Adelaide Airport traffic is still way behind Brisbane and Perth, but eventually it might be worth it. Whether or not the government will get itself up to speed on tramway matters is yet to be seen.
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To be fair, Melbourne has been talking about a rail link to the airport for decades now, but the projects always seems to fall over. We only just got Adelaide Metro buses to the airport 14 years ago or so.EBG wrote:Sydney and Brisbane already have heavy rail lines to their airports Perth is tunnelling to the airport and Melbourne is selecting the best of the 4 or 5 routes put forward and Adelaide is going round in circles- all talk and no Action.
PS isn't time to start the FMC link and the port Adelaide dock link???????????????
Sydney and Brisbane's links were built by private companies, and Perth needed something to boost the economy after the mining boom ended, and got federal funds for the project. I'm not sure what the cost-benefit ratio on that project is.
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love to see it go ahead and it shouldn't be private. I also can't see why the 2 "systems" have to be mutually exclusive, why not have the whole system hybrid trams, this can be achieved by buying hybrids and phasing out the current. The hybrids can recharge while on the wires and run batteries when off. It would give a flexibility to the system to extend where it is not viable to install a complete system?citywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:45 pmFair point but it will be good in the long run I'm hoping like the kw st extension has been good for the cityGoodsy wrote:If they build with no overhead wires the rest of the fleet will be useless on the routecitywatcher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:22 pmWhat makes them incompatible and your first statement is pure garbage by the way
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I am skeptical about an exclusive tram line from the city to the airport with limited tram stops.
Do we know home many passengers use J line for the airport transfer? From my experience this line is only busy during the rush hour but only few, if any will enter or exit at the airport. My family use this line whenever we travel despite them cutting the line (from TTP). We will continue until our luggage transfer from one bus to another bus will not be too heavy for us. We are blessed as we live next to an Interchange.
Using Brisbane or Sydney example to justify that tram line does not work for Adelaide at all. They have trains and they can cover much longer distance, therefore collect more passengers along their route regardless where they enter/exit making that line more viable. Perhaps we should too.
Do we know home many passengers use J line for the airport transfer? From my experience this line is only busy during the rush hour but only few, if any will enter or exit at the airport. My family use this line whenever we travel despite them cutting the line (from TTP). We will continue until our luggage transfer from one bus to another bus will not be too heavy for us. We are blessed as we live next to an Interchange.
Using Brisbane or Sydney example to justify that tram line does not work for Adelaide at all. They have trains and they can cover much longer distance, therefore collect more passengers along their route regardless where they enter/exit making that line more viable. Perhaps we should too.
The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong.
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I take the J1 or J1X to/from town and almost every day there is someone on it with luggage.Haso wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:22 amI am skeptical about an exclusive tram line from the city to the airport with limited tram stops.
Do we know home many passengers use J line for the airport transfer? From my experience this line is only busy during the rush hour but only few, if any will enter or exit at the airport. My family use this line whenever we travel despite them cutting the line (from TTP). We will continue until our luggage transfer from one bus to another bus will not be too heavy for us. We are blessed as we live next to an Interchange.
Using Brisbane or Sydney example to justify that tram line does not work for Adelaide at all. They have trains and they can cover much longer distance, therefore collect more passengers along their route regardless where they enter/exit making that line more viable. Perhaps we should too.
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A tram or other rail line would be a lot more popular than the bus because it's a more attractive firm of transport. I have been on the TransPerth airport bus in Perth, and it carries fewer passengers than the Jetbus here. If they can justify building a rail line, we can too.
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Anyway... it looks like there are not so many who are presently using that bus route for the airport...Nort wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:48 amI take the J1 or J1X to/from town and almost every day there is someone on it with luggage.Haso wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:22 amI am skeptical about an exclusive tram line from the city to the airport with limited tram stops.
Do we know home many passengers use J line for the airport transfer? From my experience this line is only busy during the rush hour but only few, if any will enter or exit at the airport. My family use this line whenever we travel despite them cutting the line (from TTP). We will continue until our luggage transfer from one bus to another bus will not be too heavy for us. We are blessed as we live next to an Interchange.
Using Brisbane or Sydney example to justify that tram line does not work for Adelaide at all. They have trains and they can cover much longer distance, therefore collect more passengers along their route regardless where they enter/exit making that line more viable. Perhaps we should too.
A rail line looks to me as a much better option esepcilay if we will have a line which will start somewhere else rather than in the city and than go to the city and finish at the airport... or god forgive me.. go further down toward the coast.Norman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:10 pmA tram or other rail line would be a lot more popular than the bus because it's a more attractive firm of transport. I have been on the TransPerth airport bus in Perth, and it carries fewer passengers than the Jetbus here. If they can justify building a rail line, we can too.
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How much would tram tickets have to cost for the Downer Group to make back 500 million?Norman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:10 pmA tram or other rail line would be a lot more popular than the bus because it's a more attractive firm of transport. I have been on the TransPerth airport bus in Perth, and it carries fewer passengers than the Jetbus here. If they can justify building a rail line, we can too.
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