COM: Glenelg Tramline Upgrade

[ynotsfables]

Dont get me wrong im an advocate for public transport.
I just feel there were more important projects then this 30 million could have bee put towards,
such as:

A) could resleeper a fair portion of our railway lines

B) upgrade our disgusting railway stations

C.a) extend the obahn closer to the city and golden grove (to get the busses off the roads, and ease congestion)

C.b) convert the o bahn into a railway line

D) put towards desal plant

just a few ideas to think about

These things will probably still go ahead our city is'nt that derelict that we're in a major crisis situation although i agree they need to be done.

[Cruise]

On top of all, that has been discussed on this topic, the tram adds vibrancy and character to the city which is a good thing. There are more pro's than con's in having this extention I can go on for ever with its benefits. However the major benefit is, it's future potential to go down the middle of Port Road, stop at West lakes (AAIMI stadium), then to Semaphore and then Port Adelaide. That's quite a significant journey from Glenelg. From a tourism point of view this will add to the agenda of "What to do in Adelaide". From a Public transport point of view it will service many areas. As for Port Road it will be the beginings of it's beautification. That road has sooo much potential to be landscaped and modernized. Lets get creative, use some imagination, maybe have a restaraunt in one carriage who knows, but lets not condem it. Its all part of our progress. What are we scared of. Why does it make some people angry. I don't want to hear it's a waste of money because so is buying a new car, so why can't this city spoil itself too. In the long run it may even benefit our economy.

Bye for now

sorry im confused why would you have heavy rail going to outer harbour and have light rail to port adelaide?

why double up? it would a waste of money.

a better way would be to run trams down the train embankment to port adelaide as well as the trains with the 3 rail setup im sure one of our rail fan members know what im tryin to say.

[urban]

The Govt needed a high profile public transport project which could be delivered quickly to get people thinking PT. The trams so far have been a great success with high patronage all day and always at capacity at peak hour. The extension gives them future options with a form of PT that is highly suited to a low density city such as ours. There are far bigger but less visible expenditures which do not have anywhere near the benefits of the tram and in some cases are counter productive. Think of the infrastructure work being done in the north to allow new housing lots to exist in a flood plain.

[crawf]

Cruise, do you use the current cramped Beeline service?

[Cruise]

Cruise, do you use the current cramped Beeline service?

No, i have no need for it. Since i'll be living at my parents house for about another 6 months I only ever catch the outer harbour train into the city on the weekend

I work irregular hours so i cant catch PT to work because the services have ceased when i finish.
Its a shame really, I work and live 10 minutes from train stations.

[ynotsfables]

On top of all, that has been discussed on this topic, the tram adds vibrancy and character to the city which is a good thing. There are more pro's than con's in having this extention I can go on for ever with its benefits. However the major benefit is, it's future potential to go down the middle of Port Road, stop at West lakes (AAIMI stadium), then to Semaphore and then Port Adelaide. That's quite a significant journey from Glenelg. From a tourism point of view this will add to the agenda of "What to do in Adelaide". From a Public transport point of view it will service many areas. As for Port Road it will be the beginings of it's beautification. That road has sooo much potential to be landscaped and modernized. Lets get creative, use some imagination, maybe have a restaraunt in one carriage who knows, but lets not condem it. Its all part of our progress. What are we scared of. Why does it make some people angry. I don't want to hear it's a waste of money because so is buying a new car, so why can't this city spoil itself too. In the long run it may even benefit our economy.

Bye for now

sorry im confused why would you have heavy rail going to outer harbour and have light rail to port adelaide?

why double up? it would a waste of money.

a better way would be to run trams down the train embankment to port adelaide as well as the trains with the 3 rail setup im sure one of our rail fan members know what im tryin to say.

Why not have both. They are two different routes, If i were a tourist i'ld opt for the most scenic, eg through the city and the sea side. It may be a good investment rather than a waste of money if it generates popularity.Take a chance.

[jimmy_2486]

Cruise, do you use the current cramped Beeline service?

Yeah the 99C that gets stuck in traffic and comes every half hour

[jk1237]

Guys, the tramline corridor between Greenhill Road and Jetty Rd is a major, important stretch of land that would be worth millions, so to Froggy, why not allow it to reach its best potential. You can NOT have an important transport corridor end on the fringe on the CBD. Its needs to go through it. The extension will take 90% of users closer to their destination, making it far more attractive for more people to use. Any transport planner with half a brain knows this. I could go on and on but this issue has been argued to death about 20 pages back.

[AtD]

From my observations, almost all of the extra congestion on North Terrace is due to the ACC's North Terrace works east of Frome St, with the queue going back over King William Street. In the six months it's taken the state to lay the entire line, the ACC hasn't even laid one short stretch of foot path.

If you're trying to drive though the CBD, you deserve to be stuck in traffic.

Froggy, it's built, get over it. No one wants to listen to your conservative whining.

[PhilH]

Froggy, I agree that there is frequent traffic congestion in North Terrace during the evening peak, but it originates further east, thanks to the streetscaping near the university, which has been been going on since well before the tram extension started. Trust me, I've spent enough teeth-gnashing evenings at bus stop U1 waiting for late Port Road buses to know this!

[PhilH]

AtD- great minds think alike!

[AtD]

Froggy, I agree that there is frequent traffic congestion in North Terrace during the evening peak, but it originates further east, thanks to the streetscaping near the university, which has been been going on since well before the tram extension started. Trust me, I've spent enough teeth-gnashing evenings at bus stop U1 waiting for late Port Road buses to know this!

I'd like to see bus lanes along North Terrace.

[UrbanSG]

Froggy you know very little but of course think you know it all. Firstly I drive into town through King William Street in peak hour from the north at about 8:15am. I have noticed about 1-5 extra minutes added to my trip at the most. That is mainly because other drivers don't know how to get in the correct lanes prior to North Terrace and push infront of everyone, causing more breaking and a ripple effect. It is amazing. It is always the same drivers not wanting to wait in a line. We would all love to go faster but really they should just wait in the line too and we would go faster, that is a bassic traffic flow principle. Also the extension area still has a 40km hr speed limit, I am surprised there isn't more congestion. I then leave the city usually around 5:15pm if I'm lucky and it is virtually the same as it always was. Prior to the extension the cars did used to back up just like they do now. I don't know where you were looking from your office window saying otherwise!

By the way a lot of motor companies bought out tram operations post 1950's, both here and in America this is why trams went not because of congestion. It was a huge conspiracy and the result is great, far too much car dependence worldwide! Anyone who thinks allowing more road space and less traffic lights decreases traffic congestion is either still at grade 1 primary school level or does way too much of this :wank: :wank: :wank:

[Norman]

On top of all, that has been discussed on this topic, the tram adds vibrancy and character to the city which is a good thing. There are more pro's than con's in having this extention I can go on for ever with its benefits. However the major benefit is, it's future potential to go down the middle of Port Road, stop at West lakes (AAIMI stadium), then to Semaphore and then Port Adelaide. That's quite a significant journey from Glenelg. From a tourism point of view this will add to the agenda of "What to do in Adelaide". From a Public transport point of view it will service many areas. As for Port Road it will be the beginings of it's beautification. That road has sooo much potential to be landscaped and modernized. Lets get creative, use some imagination, maybe have a restaraunt in one carriage who knows, but lets not condem it. Its all part of our progress. What are we scared of. Why does it make some people angry. I don't want to hear it's a waste of money because so is buying a new car, so why can't this city spoil itself too. In the long run it may even benefit our economy.

Bye for now

sorry im confused why would you have heavy rail going to outer harbour and have light rail to port adelaide?

why double up? it would a waste of money.

a better way would be to run trams down the train embankment to port adelaide as well as the trains with the 3 rail setup im sure one of our rail fan members know what im tryin to say.

Who's that?

What I would do is build the tram down Port Road, but keep the train line going down the current corridor, albeit with less stops that are more accessible though, or even extress.

[Will]

How exactly is this tramline to no where going to increase public patronage to work? It's simply not, that's an argument from rail lovers. It really doesn't change how anyone gets into work, you are not going to suddenly stop driving and start catching the train in because you can now get out and wait 5 minutes for a tram to come and take you the extra 200 metres up king william st to work (when you could of walked there and back and back again in that time). I still fail to see how this tram extension is going to reduce traffic and increase patronage?

If Uni SA, The Convention Centre, The Casino, The Railway Statetion, The Embassy, Horizon, Hyatt, Playford, Grosvenor Hotels, Rundle Mall and King William Street are 'no where' then could you not say that the whole city is 'no where'. Plus I feel sorry for the students at UNI SA who study at 'no where'. :wank: