Ideas for a greater public transport system

[jimmy_2486]

Both of these systems are efficient and work in Sydney (Part A) and Melbourne (Part B).

Id tend to sway more to Part B as we will most likely be forever extending our light rail system to run around most of the city which will provide quick feeder services to these stations. Also this idea will allow other heavy rail services to come into the CBD (for example the north east via upgrading the O'Bahn) with less cost IMO. For example if we were to put heavy rail to the north east we could upgrade the O-bahn and just put a tunnel from the obahn to the city loop.

[jimmy_2486]

Another point to mention about B is that having stops in such a way will cater for many different events including.....

-Glendi
-CLIPSAL!!
-Carnevale
-Our Talked about new mega stadium if we decide to put it on west tce....

Also will give faster access to and from places including.....
-Adelaide Uni (Saves me walking 15 min to the train station.... the 99C NEVER comes in peak hour and I can walk faster than it)
-Adelaide High students have less distance to walk so they will love the new system and St Marys
-CBC will have a station near by
-Pultney grammar will have a station near by
-Southern CBD residents will like the new system as a bus these days can take forever in peak hour to go from one side of the city to the other.

I also think that train frequencies on ALL lines should be a MINIMUM of 5-10 min in peak and 10-15 min in non-peak. They should be electrified and upgraded to nice looking trains.

[Cruise]

My tram vision:

Involves closure of outer harbour heavy railine.
Trams run from the newly opened extension down the median strip of port road, down commercial road turn onto st vincent street, over jervois bridge past lefevre high school to the beach front, back down semaphore road to Glanville station where the tram line continues to outer harbour via the train embankment.

west lakes line runs from glanville station down the train embankment to bower road, then turns onto Bartley Tce to West lakes boulevard. past aami stadium to meet into the now defunct grange line embankment and runs in to port road.

[PhilH]

While I like trams, I can't see much benefit in replacing a heavy rail line (some of the current peak-hour OH line trains can have 300+ people) with a lower capacity and probably slower tram. The tram would need to be much more frequent to compensate. Also, Bartley Terrace would need widening to accept trams, or extra car-parking space would need to be found for the playing fields on that road (see my previous post on page 5 of this thread). Military Road would be a better bet, but Bower Road would need to be widened at its western end, between Causeway Road and Military Road. As that stretch is considerably shorter than Bartley Terrace, that might be a better way to go.

[AtD]

The new Flexity trams have a seating capacity almost the same as a single typical Adelaide rail car. However, you can't run trams in four car sets!

[jimmy_2486]

While I like trams, I can't see much benefit in replacing a heavy rail line (some of the current peak-hour OH line trains can have 300+ people) with a lower capacity and probably slower tram. The tram would need to be much more frequent to compensate. Also, Bartley Terrace would need widening to accept trams, or extra car-parking space would need to be found for the playing fields on that road (see my previous post on page 5 of this thread). Military Road would be a better bet, but Bower Road would need to be widened at its western end, between Causeway Road and Military Road. As that stretch is considerably shorter than Bartley Terrace, that might be a better way to go.

Well I can see benefits in trams...especially in our scenario as our trains do not come often enough to be an attractive option for most.

Firstly the tram vision Cruise Control pointed out would most probably connect onto the glenelg line allowing people to get off at many different parts of the city.

Secondly the frequencies could be upgraded to a possible 10-15 min frequency over what ever the hell they are for the port adelaide rail line (I think every half hour in interpeak times) which is bugger all. And the time difference over the train is not that much as the tram will have right of way pretty much at all times. This could possible replace all or most of the buses in the north west area which I think would be great.

I think we should leave heavy rail for the Southern and Northern suburbs because if this idea was to be implemented and joined onto city west, my belief is that there will be bugger all people using buses or trains. Most people will use trams as they are faster than buses and more regular and take u to more places than a train.

[jimmy_2486]

The new Flexity trams have a seating capacity almost the same as a single typical Adelaide rail car. However, you can't run trams in four car sets!

You never will see a north western rail train with more than 2 carriage, most are one. Thing is as a tram runs more frequent than the trains it works out the same.

[ozisnowman]

Today's tiser mentions the Governments plans to expand the tram network and light
rail network. I assume they are planning to convert all current heavy rail to light
rail. Yes the train network needs to have track upgrades, standardisation,
electrification and modern carriages. However what needs to be clarified by
the Government of what they are thinking of in terms of light rail replacement
of the train network. Are they thinking of rail cars like Perth or Brisbane EMU's
capable of travelling 130km/h and thus being efficient, reliable and likely
to attract travellers to public transport or are they thinking of sticking
FLEXITY Classic style trams on train tracks and running them at 70-80km/hr
... This would not make express travel from Galwer or Norlunga etc very speedy
or beneficially at all...

Government must clarify what it means by Tram and what it means by Light
Rail because they seem to mention both but are they talking about the same
vehicles or what?

[jimmy_2486]

I do agree with replacing alot of the heavy rail systems with light rail, I dont think noarlunga or gawler would really benefit?

For example if we ran light rail side by side with heavy rail for say the grange or outer harbour line. You will find that even though heavy rail is sligtly quicker, the amount of services and the extra stops in the cbd will make it a hellava lot more convienient than the trains and I believe more people will want to use light rail.

The Glenelg tram has a frequency of about 6-8 min in peak and I think it is not enough personally because there are more people using light rail after the extension than what people had expected.

But then again, our trains dont really run that fast anyways so maybe there will be no difference in speed lol.

[Cruise]

Replacing the Noarlunga line with light rail (and trams) would be suicidal

Unless the trams ran VERY VERY frequently

[jimmy_2486]

I guess if we took as many lines out of the railway station as practical by converting to light rail except noarlunga and gawler there would be room at adelaide station for more services for those lines.

That could be our temporary saviour untill they make an electrified throughfare service or city loop in the city with our trains, which would probably cost alot.

[Norman]

The Glenelg tram has a frequency of about 6-8 min in peak and I think it is not enough personally because there are more people using light rail after the extension than what people had expected.

Expect the masses of people to go down a little, as the excitement goes down a bit.

[jimmy_2486]

good point but once u go tram normangerman.......u will never go back to crappy buses.

I think most of these people used to catch the bus as they couldnt be bothered walking from vic square. Now people are going to go out of their way to goto the tram as it is quicker in peak hour.

[Cruise]

Can you take push bikes on the tram?

[jimmy_2486]

Can you take push bikes on the tram?

I dont think it says anywhere you cant....so I guess you can??