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#1246 Post by PeFe » Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:29 pm

And yet another large battery proposal.... at Hallett in the mid north.

From Energy Magazine
EnergyAustralia announces new 50MW BESS

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Plans to develop a new Battery Energy Storage System (BESS) – located next to the Hallett Power Station in Canowie, 210km north of Adelaide – have been announced by EnergyAustralia.

The Hallett BESS would have an initial storage capacity of 50MW with discharge capacity of up to 200MWh, and be able to power up to 81,000 homes and small businesses for four hours.

EnergyAustralia Head of Portfolio Development, Daniel Nugent, said, “We have already made good progress in planning the Hallett BESS, which supports South Australia’s position as a leader in clean energy generation.

“The project’s development and environmental planning are well advanced, and we have an ambition to expand its capacity to 150MW and 600MWh after the successful completion of stage one. Initial findings indicate an overall low impact on the surrounding environment.

“In just over 16 years, South Australia’s electricity mix has shifted from below one per cent renewables to more than 70 per cent of energy generated by wind and solar. This is the highest in the world for a grid this size.

“On a peak summer day, our Hallett gas-fired power station can provide approximately five per cent of South Australia’s power needs during peak periods.

“Over the longer term, the Hallett battery will allow us to transition our gas-fired power station to be in strategic reserve, decrease our emissions, and support more renewables coming into the system.

“We’re seeking to develop this battery on land we own alongside our power station, which brings some big benefits for construction and delivery certainty. For example, we can use the existing transmission infrastructure avoiding the need to build new transmission lines on private land,” Mr Nugent said.

The project will undergo further assessments and community consultation and is subject to the necessary South Australian planning approvals.

Subject to approvals, the Hallett battery is expected to be operational as early as the beginning of 2026.

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#1247 Post by PeFe » Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:00 pm

Huge huge gap between wholesale energy electricity prices compared to retail prices in South Australia at the moment.

The last quarter of 23 saw the median wholesale price of electricity fall to $33 per mwh.....thats 3.3 cents per kwh......average retail of electricity in SA is 37 cents per kwh.

The electricity retailers are making an absolute killing at the moment. Its time for the AER (Australian Energy Regulator) to step up their game and bring an immediate decrease (of at least 20%) to retail SA prices in their next pricing adjudication.

Prices sourced from this article...
The latest QED notes that wholesale electricity prices averaged just $48/MWh in the December quarter, with increased renewables also driving emissions and emissions intensity in the country’s main grid to record lows.

Victoria – which has a 95 per cent renewable energy target for 2035 and had a 47 per cent share in the December quarter – recorded the lowest average quarterly prices of $26/MWh.

It was followed by South Australia, already at 71 per cent wind and solar, which had an average wholesale electricity price of $33/MWh) and Tasmania, at or near 100 per cent renewables thanks to its hydro and growing wind portfolio, which average $50/MWh.

The country’s two most coal dependent states – New South Wales (54 per cent coal and 10 per cent imports in the latest quarter) and Queensland (64 per cent coal) had the most expensive average wholesale electricity prices at $66/MWh and $68/MWh respectively.

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#1248 Post by PeFe » Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:40 pm

Stage 2 of the Goyder Wind Farm has secured funding (stage 1 is already being built)

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South Australia’s biggest wind farm and Blyth battery hit financial close, on track to power BHP mine

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The biggest wind project to date in South Australia, the 412MW Goyder South wind farm near Burra, has cleared another major milestone, with developer Neoen announcing it has reached financial close on the 203MW second tranche of the wind farm and the 238.5MW/477MWh Blyth Battery.

Neoen says joint debt financing for the two projects, located 150km apart in the mid-north region of South Australia, was provided by a group of five lenders including the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, KfW IPEX-Bank, ING, Mizuho and Westpac.

The funding for Goyder South Stage 1 – which is entirely owned by Neoen and the global renewables giant’s largest wind power asset worldwide – is also underpinned by a unique 70MW “baseload” energy supply contract with Australian mining giant BHP.

Neoen inked the first-of-its-kind deal in November 2022, to supply around-the-clock power to BHP’s huge Olympic Dam copper mine through a combination of wind and storage from the battery at Blyth.

A year later, in November 2023, Neoen achieved registration for both the first and second parts of the Stage 1 wind project, despite these not yet being complete, to allow for the completion of all the necessary processes to start generating, and for the sometimes lengthy commissions process to start.

Neoen says construction of the second stage of Goyder South Stage 1 and the Blyth Battery are currently underway, with both expected to be operational by mid-2025 and supplying half of the energy needed to power the Olympic Dam mine.

The Blyth Battery will be equipped with grid-forming inverter technology thanks to support from Arena, Neoen says, allowing it to provide essential system stability services traditionally provided by synchronous generation like coal and gas.

The CEFC, which has committed $99 million to the second tranche of the Neoen wind farm and the battery, says the Goyder South project will help decarbonise one of the world’s largest critical mineral mines.

The project is also using wind turbine anchor cages that were manufactured in Sydney by Allthread Industries using Australian steel, which includes about 50 per cent recycled material.

“This investment builds on our long-standing support for the enabling technologies that will transform the grid and deliver clean energy to households and businesses around Australia,” said CEFC chief Ian Learmonth on Tuesday.

“The challenge of reducing emissions across the economy starts with the energy sector. The offtake agreement with BHP demonstrates how reducing energy emissions accelerates decarbonisation across the economy.

“This innovative solution to provide firmed green energy at Olympic Dam enables a significant energy user to progress its net zero goals while producing a critical mineral like copper more sustainably,” Learmonth said.

All told, the CEFC has now helped Neoen to finance four large scale batteries in Australia, including the Victorian Big Battery, the Capital Battery in the ACT and the expansion of the Hornsdale Power Reserve in South Australia – Australia’s first ever Big Battery.

“The Blyth Battery is the fourth Neoen large scale battery that the CEFC has financed … [and] the fifth large scale battery financed by the CEFC and takes lifetime commitments in this critical enabling technology to more than $390 million, complementing our extensive renewable energy portfolio,” said the green bank’s chief investment officer for renewables and sustainable finance, Monique Miller.

For Neoen, the Goyder South project is the global renewables giant’s largest wind farm anywhere in the world – and has the potential to get much bigger, with planning approval for up to 1,200MW of wind, 900MW of battery storage and 600MW of solar.

As part of the project’s vegetation offset strategy, Neoen in November transferred ownership of 1,000 hectares at World Ends gorge to the South Australian government, paving the way for a new national park to be created with the adjacent Hopkins Creek conservation area and adjoining the Goyder Renewables Zone.

Neoen described that deal – struck with the government, the Ngadjuri Nation, the local council and the original host landowners as a “true first” for the renewable industry in Australia.

Neoen says there are currently more than 400 construction workers on site and working on the stage two wind farm and battery, while 15 permanent positions are expected during operations.

“It’s great to see clean energy powering mining – bringing together key national industrial strengths in renewables and resources, while creating jobs,” said federal energy minister Chris Bowen on Tuesday.

“The Albanese government is excited to support a project that involves three vital things for Australia’s future – wind power, batteries, and strategic materials.”

Alongside the BHP offtake deal, around half of the capacity of Goyder South 1 is contracted to the ACT government, to boost its renewable electricity supply as it seeks more clean power to manage its transition to electric homes and transport, as well as to an offtake agreement with Flow Power.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/south-austr ... pper-mine/

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#1249 Post by PeFe » Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:03 pm

Engie to close 2 small diesel electricity plants in South Australia

From The Australian Financial Review
Engie to shut two South Australian generators as losses mount

France’s Engie will shut its two diesel power stations in South Australia in less than five months as losses mount at the plants, which are only rarely called on to meet peak demand on hot days in the renewables-heavy state.

The 63-megawatt Snuggery generator and the 75MW Port Lincoln plants would be taken out of service from July 1, ahead of a full closure in 2028, Engie said, describing the decision as the “most rational” outcome for the unprofitable plants.

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Engie’s Snuggery power station in South Australia, which is loss-making.

The decision, which will not result in any immediate job losses, comes after a $9 million-a-year contract that the Port Lincoln plant had to supply back-up power to the state’s high-voltage grid owner ElectraNet expired last year.

A change in the proposed design of the capacity mechanism to remove any support for older thermal plants, meanwhile, eliminated the possibility of extra revenue.

“In the absence of appropriate revenue streams that recognise the capacity value of such plant, Snuggery and Port Lincoln are no longer profitable,” Engie said in a statement.

Engie is understood to have examined several alternatives to restore the viability of the power stations, including upgrading them, installing batteries alongside them or converting them to run on alternate fuels, without finding a solution that worked.

“We’ve worked closely with authorities to explore all possible options to keep these assets in market, but the accelerated pace of the energy transition continues to place pressure on all our existing thermal assets, and closure is the most rational outcome under these conditions,” said Engie’s chief executive in Australia and New Zealand, Rik De Buyserie.

An AEMO spokesman said the operator is considering the impact of the closures on reliability of SA supply.

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Ageing coal, gas and diesel plants across the National Electricity Market are coming under financial pressure from an influx of cheap renewables onto the grid, reducing wholesale power prices for traditional generators that are sometimes still needed to keep supply reliable when electricity consumption surges.

Fifteen months ago, AGL Energy said it would close the remaining three units of its ageing Torrens Island B gas plant in Adelaide in 2026, citing a new interconnector cable between SA and NSW that would plunge the generator into deeper losses.

Dylan McConnell, an energy analyst at UNSW, said Engie’s decision was not surprising and noted the two plants had run for less than 1 per cent of the time last year and at an even lower rate in the preceding years.

While generation from the plants would have been important when they were being used, there should be no cause for concern about ample power supply because of SA’s proposed new 200MW hydrogen power plant and the Project EnergyConnect interconnector.

Dr McConnell said the Australian Energy Market Operator’s optimal development path for the energy transition envisaged about 1000MW of gas and flexible generating capacity will exit the SA market by 2028, more than had been announced so far.

The state’s last coal-fired power station closed in 2016, and Engie shuttered its only coal power station in Australia, the giant Hazelwood plant in Victoria, in 2017, triggering steep increases in power prices.

AEMO last August said SA and Victoria faced an increased risk of rolling blackouts this summer with the expected return of hot, dry summer weather. The risk of power shortages in SA would exceed the strictest benchmark for reliability this summer, and again from about 2027.

Engie said had it advised AEMO of its plans to close Snuggery and Port Lincoln, two of the plants in the Synergen business that have been generating electricity since 1978 and 1998 respectively. It said its remaining thermal generators in SA – including the two other Synergen plants, the Dry Creek and Mintaro gas power stations and the 510MW Pelican Point gas generator, were forecast “at this stage” to operate as scheduled

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#1250 Post by PeFe » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:37 pm

South Australia reached 82% renewables in the latest quarter figures available.

From Renew Economy
South Australia enjoyed 82 pct wind and solar for entire December quarter. So it can be done

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South Australia reached a record average of 82 per cent renewables in the December quarter, establishing a stunning blueprint for the way the entire Australia grid could reach the federal government’s current national target for 2030.

What’s remarkable about South Australia’s new landmark is that its renewables share is made up entirely of wind and solar – the variable or intermittent sources that were supposedly going to send us back to the Dark Ages – and with relatively little storage.

The state stands as a shining de-bunk to all the shocking myths and misinformation against renewables (and EVs) being peddled with increasing intensity around Australia and the world by vested interests and a compliant media.

Data from the newly upgraded OpenNEM data source shows that wind energy dominated the power mix in the December quarter in South Australia, meeting 47.3 per cent of demand.

Rooftop solar came next with 27.9 per cent, and on occasions accounted for all the state’s demand in a quite extraordinary and world-leading outcome, while utility scale solar (often curtailed thanks to the daytime dominance of rooftop solar) accounted for 6.7 per cent.

Gas is the only remaining fossil fuel on the South Australia grid – the last coal generator was shut down in 2016 – and accounted for most of the rest. Imports (325 gigawatt hours, or 9.6 per cent of demand) slightly beat exports (254 GWh) but not by much.

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What’s interesting about this outcome is that South Australia has had little in the way of storage to date.

Yes, it had the first large scale battery in the world – the Tesla big battery at Hornsdale (now sized at 150 MW and 193 MWh), and the first big batteries with grid-forming inverters, which will allow them to duplicate most, if not all, the grid services of synchronous generators.

But there are just a few big batteries currently operation on the S.A. grid – Hornsdale, Dalrymple North, Lake Bonney and the new Torrens Island big batteries.

It means that they only account for 0.8 per cent of total generation in the last quarter, although it is interesting to note that on occasions – when wind and solar provide more than the state needs and it is exporting to Victoria – battery storage has actually overtaken the output from gas generators.

There is a reason for this, and that’s because the role of most of these batteries has been focused on the provision of grid services – network support and frequency control – which only require small amounts of storage.

Actually storing wind and solar for times of low supply and/or high demand requires more storage hours, and is only now being rolled out at scale.

The achievements of South Australia are remarkable in the context of what was thought to have been understood about the grid: You don’t have to go back too far to hear strident assertions that a modern grid could barely operate with more than 10 per cent renewables. Sadly, variations of those views still reverberate around Australia’s conservative political circles.

We were also told – as recently as 2016, by none other than the market operator – that large scale battery storage was not on the horizon (the Tesla big battery was built just over a year later), and that all wind and solar needed like for like back-up or storage.

What South Australia shows is that – as some studies suggested – little new storage is needed in a grid up to around 50 per cent renewables, and then only incrementally until it gets to very high levels – 80 to 90 per cent.

The reason for this is that modern grids have connections to other grids (South Australia’s is to Victoria, and soon to NSW), and that there was already a lot of back-up installed for a fossil fuel grid, in the form of peaking and other plants.

These back-ups were built to support and balance the so-called “baseload” coal and gas plants that lacked flexibility to respond to changes and peaks in demand, and occasionally broke down or needed maintenance. The idea that baseload coal or nuclear does not need back-up is one of the great furphies of the modern energy debate.

What is also interesting about South Australia is that the level of renewables is now getting to the point where that traditional fossil fuel back-up is no longer fit for purpose, and/or is getting old. And they will no longer be needed for so-called “grid services such as frequency and inertia because battery and inverter technologies can do the job.

So as South Australia charges along to its target of “net” 100 per cent renewables and beyond (to cater for exports and green industries) it is building more batteries, with the new link to NSW that will allow out to export and import more.

The new 250 MW, one hour Torrens Island battery has been recently added and could be expanded to up to four hours storage, the Blyth battery is being built, with one of its major roles being to help deliver a “baseload” renewables supply to the massive Olympic Dam, and the Tailem Bend solar battery is also awaiting commissioning.

EnergyAustralia has announced plans for the state’s first four hour battery at Hallett, and other batteries are planned by Zen Energy at Templers, AMP Energy at Bungama, Equis at Koolunga, CIP at Summerfield and Lionsgate, Origin Energy at Morgans, and Neoen at Goyder.

Those batteries will help fill the gaps in generation on a daily or multiple day basis, but the bigger challenge, however, will be in long duration storage – defined as eight hours storage or more – that will fill in longer gaps in wind and solar supply.

And if South Australia wants to go further than “net” 100 per cent renewables, and reach “real” 100 per cent renewables, then the scale of storage required will be significantly higher (more on that another time from a report by the Victoria Energy Policy Centre).

here are a couple of other things to note as well. One is that emissions in South Australia have fallen significantly, from an average of nearly 800 kg of Co2 per megawatt hour in 2010 to 195kgCo2e per MWh so far this year. And the second is that wholesale prices in South Australia are the second lowest on the mainland.

They will be lower still, as more gas is replaced by storage, and should soon be reflected in lower customer bills, even though the bulk of that is made up by the costs of the grid in South Australia, which have been historically high because of the relatively small population in a big state.

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The question for many is what will 82 per cent renewables look like for Australia as a whole. It will be slightly different to South Australia, mainly because other states have hydro and pumped hydro, both existing and under construction, and will likely have some other forms of long duration storage.

But the principal will be the same as the graph above, which shows the latest 28-day average of South Australia (average 78 per cent), with most of the daytime load serviced by solar – rooftop and utility scale, supported by wind and storage if needed.

The difference with the whole national grid is that there will not be an opportunity to import from another source.

States will share energy through transmission lines, but the gaps will need to be met through storage and demand management, which in itself is a whole new ball game about the timing of the use of industrial process, such as green hydrogen and manufacturing, EV charging and the whole switch to Everything Electric.

That will require another step change in thinking about what is possible about the grid. But it is entirely doable. And, as all the experts say, will be cheaper and cleaner, and more reliable.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/south-austr ... n-be-done/

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#1251 Post by rev » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm

Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.

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#1252 Post by Nort » Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 am

rev wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm
Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.
I'd love to see the maths on what your point is here,

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#1253 Post by rubberman » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:19 am

rev wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm
Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.
Origin's generation portfolio is mainly gas and coal.

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#1254 Post by rev » Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:23 pm

rubberman wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:19 am
rev wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm
Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.
Origin's generation portfolio is mainly gas and coal.
Who cares if they're generating electricity out of the shit they blow out of their mouths along with our politicians, we've been promised cheaper electricity and they've all failed to deliver, while they all post record profits or give them selves massive pay increases and bonuses.

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#1255 Post by SBD » Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:17 pm

rev wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:23 pm
rubberman wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:19 am
rev wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm
Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.
Origin's generation portfolio is mainly gas and coal.
Who cares if they're generating electricity out of the shit they blow out of their mouths along with our politicians, we've been promised cheaper electricity and they've all failed to deliver, while they all post record profits or give them selves massive pay increases and bonuses.
What do you think is the right size profit for a company the size of Origin? If it doesn't make a profit and can't recover from prior year losses, it will eventually go belly up and some foreign investor will snap up the assets for a song. I don't object to foreign investment, but not if it's because we've forced Australian companies in to the ground.

At some time in the future, Origin will have to fund closure and remediation of its industrial sites.

At the moment, I think the AEMO price mechanism is what keeps the price high, but I'm not sure how to change the model. Sometimes, the wholesale price goes sky-high, and the retailers have to be able to cover that cost. Demand management, smart meters and market-price retail contracts will likely eventually lead to a big drop in the retail price.

Someone new could start up a retail electricity company, build themselves a battery to sell from, and top up the battery when the wholesale price is low. An independent fuel outlet could do the same thing with a tank of liquid fuel and undersell the major companies. Nobody does it, so presumably it's not as simple as it sounds.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1256 Post by Spurdo » Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:37 am

rev wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm
Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.
100 Percent with you.

Ever since this whole push for intermittent renewables began, people have been telling us “it’ll bring down prices, just trust me bro” however, all that ever happens is prices keep going up, to which these people go “it’ll happen, just give it a few more years”. Frankly, I’m sick of waiting and I feel as if I am being lied to.

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#1257 Post by rubberman » Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:49 am

Spurdo wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:37 am
rev wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm
Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.
100 Percent with you.

Ever since this whole push for intermittent renewables began, people have been telling us “it’ll bring down prices, just trust me bro” however, all that ever happens is prices keep going up, to which these people go “it’ll happen, just give it a few more years”. Frankly, I’m sick of waiting and I feel as if I am being lied to.
If you feel you are being lied to, then the thing to do is make the effort to check some facts. While not all facts are easy to obtain, some are. For example, with a minimum of effort, a person can check the price of a solar installation and work out their pay back period. If a person can pay it off and over time save money, then it's cheaper. This is probably an hour or so of effort.

Now, if an individual could do it cheaper with rooftop solar and batteries, then there's a bloody good chance that doing exactly the same at industrial scale will be far cheaper still.

And if the ordinary person, and industrial scale solar can do it cheaper, then if your bill is bigger, something else is causing it. Yeah, someone is lying to you...the ones blaming renewables. You don't need to take anybody's word, or be a victim of anybody's lies. Just spend an hour or so looking at prices and payback periods.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1258 Post by rev » Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:09 am

rubberman wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:49 am
Spurdo wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:37 am
rev wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:27 pm
Origin Energy has made a half yearly profit of $747 million, up from $44 million last year.
Origin alone have 77,000 customers in hardship, that is on plans to pay off their bill.

Three quarters of a billion in half a year PROFIT. And that's just one energy retailer.

Tell us again how remewables and all the other bullshit politician spin was going to bring our electricity prices as consumers down.
100 Percent with you.

Ever since this whole push for intermittent renewables began, people have been telling us “it’ll bring down prices, just trust me bro” however, all that ever happens is prices keep going up, to which these people go “it’ll happen, just give it a few more years”. Frankly, I’m sick of waiting and I feel as if I am being lied to.
If you feel you are being lied to, then the thing to do is make the effort to check some facts. While not all facts are easy to obtain, some are. For example, with a minimum of effort, a person can check the price of a solar installation and work out their pay back period. If a person can pay it off and over time save money, then it's cheaper. This is probably an hour or so of effort.

Now, if an individual could do it cheaper with rooftop solar and batteries, then there's a bloody good chance that doing exactly the same at industrial scale will be far cheaper still.

And if the ordinary person, and industrial scale solar can do it cheaper, then if your bill is bigger, something else is causing it. Yeah, someone is lying to you...the ones blaming renewables. You don't need to take anybody's word, or be a victim of anybody's lies. Just spend an hour or so looking at prices and payback periods.
So you don't feel you're being lied to? Do you feel they've been honest and upfront with you and have acted with integrity and with the interests of the wider community in mind? You'd probably be the only one who does, I doubt even the politicians who dribble shit for a living believe that.

We've been promised cheaper electricity for years now.
Every year, it keeps going up and up and up.

Renewables we were told, would make it cheaper. The opposite has happened.
The excuses were then rolled out, that it's because gas or coal or the unicorns are making electricity more expensive.

But then we see posts gushing over the fact that SA produces most of it's power from renewables, and in quite a few instances 100% of demand was met by renewables.

But still we're told gas or coal are to blame.


You guys are going to need to have another GetUp Labour Caucus meeting and dive deep to find some new excuses that people might believe.

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#1259 Post by PeFe » Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:16 pm

Blyth battery construction humming along

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Concrete pours and modules arrive for South Australia’s biggest battery storage project

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The Blyth battery, which will be the biggest battery project in South Australia when completed this year – at least for a time – is rapidly taking shape with concrete pours completed and the first of the CATL battery modules arriving on site.

The Blyth battery is sized at 238.5 MW / 477 MWh – up from an initial 200 MW/400 MWh – and its primary reason for existence is its role in providing a supply of “baseload renewables” to BHP’s giant Olympic Dam mine.

French renewable and storage develop Neoen signed the contract last year, and will primarily feed the dam’s electricity needs from the first stage of the Goyder South wind farm, now under construction, and the Blyth battery.

It is also likely to be a prominent player in the grid services market and the growing demand for energy arbitrage, taking advantage of market volatility and excess wind and solar to store for later use.

South Australia currently has the highest share of wind and solar in its grid in the world, reaching an average of 71 per cent over the last year, and 82 per cent in the December quarter, which underlines the technical feasibility of the federal government’s 82 per cent target for the country by 2030.

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Neoen revealed last week that the first of the CATL battery packs had arrived at the Blyth site, which is located near the town of the same name in the mid-north region of the state. The project is being built by Elecnor and NHOA.

The Blyth battery will be bigger than both Neoen’s Hornsdale Power Reserve and the newly completed 250 MW, one hour (250 MWh) Torrens Island battery near Adelaide. But it could be pipped by other big battery projects in the state currently in the development pipeline.

Meanwhile, Neoen is advancing works on its first four-hour battery, the 219 MW / 877 MWh of the Collie battery in Western Australia, the first stage of what could be a 1GW, 4 GWh battery project, as well as working on the 270MW, 540 MWh Western Downs battery in Queensland.

Neoen already owns and operates the 300 MW, 450 MWh Victoria Big Battery in Victoria, the 150 MW, 193.5 MWh Hornsdale Power Reserve in South Australia, the first big battery in Australia, as well as the Bulgana battery located next to the wind farm of the same name in Victoria

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1260 Post by rubberman » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:36 pm

rev wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:09 am
rubberman wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:49 am
Spurdo wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:37 am

100 Percent with you.

Ever since this whole push for intermittent renewables began, people have been telling us “it’ll bring down prices, just trust me bro” however, all that ever happens is prices keep going up, to which these people go “it’ll happen, just give it a few more years”. Frankly, I’m sick of waiting and I feel as if I am being lied to.
If you feel you are being lied to, then the thing to do is make the effort to check some facts. While not all facts are easy to obtain, some are. For example, with a minimum of effort, a person can check the price of a solar installation and work out their pay back period. If a person can pay it off and over time save money, then it's cheaper. This is probably an hour or so of effort.

Now, if an individual could do it cheaper with rooftop solar and batteries, then there's a bloody good chance that doing exactly the same at industrial scale will be far cheaper still.

And if the ordinary person, and industrial scale solar can do it cheaper, then if your bill is bigger, something else is causing it. Yeah, someone is lying to you...the ones blaming renewables. You don't need to take anybody's word, or be a victim of anybody's lies. Just spend an hour or so looking at prices and payback periods.
So you don't feel you're being lied to? Do you feel they've been honest and upfront with you and have acted with integrity and with the interests of the wider community in mind? You'd probably be the only one who does, I doubt even the politicians who dribble shit for a living believe that.

We've been promised cheaper electricity for years now.
Every year, it keeps going up and up and up.

Renewables we were told, would make it cheaper. The opposite has happened.
The excuses were then rolled out, that it's because gas or coal or the unicorns are making electricity more expensive.

But then we see posts gushing over the fact that SA produces most of it's power from renewables, and in quite a few instances 100% of demand was met by renewables.

But still we're told gas or coal are to blame.


You guys are going to need to have another GetUp Labour Caucus meeting and dive deep to find some new excuses that people might believe.
What I'm saying, is you can run the number yourself. It's painfully simple, like grade 3 arithmetic, simple. If you can install a solar system on your own home, and do it cheaper than Origin, then IT ISN'T RENEWABLES.

Why even bother with the speculation rabbit hole you are diving down? If you can do it cheaper than Origin with renewables, why not just do it, and let everyone else argue, while you have cheaper power?

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