News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[SBD]

sounds inefficient to me

It works for East coast. Regional rail services are the backbone of this.

there's 8 million people living on the east coast

Are the east coast regional railways only used for passengers? The SAR network was built for freight, with passengers also using it. Most passenger services stopped well before the last freight services on each line, but ultimately they were all replaced by faster more cost-efficient road services. Road services are faster and more efficient because the governments provide the roads but expect full cost recovery from railways. They didn't get enough revenue to provide a dividend and also maintain and upgrade the railways, so they were allowed to decay into disrepair, making it less and less likely that anyone would want to use them.

[kaska]

and how would you encourage people to live in those places?

Embracing full remote work. Starting with a lot of government jobs, and giving incentives to companies that do the same

sounds inefficient to me

I work fully remote in a company that is full remote. We all are very productive. Why do you say it is inefficient? It's just a change of mindset that is needed

[abc]

Embracing full remote work. Starting with a lot of government jobs, and giving incentives to companies that do the same

sounds inefficient to me

I work fully remote in a company that is full remote. We all are very productive. Why do you say it is inefficient? It's just a change of mindset that is needed

Maybe you're remote for a reason...

[rubberman]

Embracing full remote work. Starting with a lot of government jobs, and giving incentives to companies that do the same

sounds inefficient to me

I work fully remote in a company that is full remote. We all are very productive. Why do you say it is inefficient? It's just a change of mindset that is needed

It's just his opinion. I'll be extremely surprised if you get an explanation.

[abc]

sounds inefficient to me

I work fully remote in a company that is full remote. We all are very productive. Why do you say it is inefficient? It's just a change of mindset that is needed

It's just his opinion. I'll be extremely surprised if you get an explanation.

cities exist for a reason
central business districts exist for a reason

once again, you seem to carry a hostile attitude into every discussion

[rhino]

cities exist for a reason
central business districts exist for a reason

Aqueducts exist for a reason too. Doesn't mean they are still required. Things evolve and change.

[kaska]

I work fully remote in a company that is full remote. We all are very productive. Why do you say it is inefficient? It's just a change of mindset that is needed

It's just his opinion. I'll be extremely surprised if you get an explanation.

cities exist for a reason
central business districts exist for a reason

once again, you seem to carry a hostile attitude into every discussion

I believe expanding the city to the outskirts won't kill the central business district, it will create other economic areas that will make living in Adelaide more pleasurable. Adelaide needs to prepare for strong population growth, it will happen. Melbourne had the same population 50 years ago that Adelaide has now.

All the changes that are happening in the city, all the new development, will turn Adelaide into a vibrant city that will make it a very interesting place to live. I personally think that the population projections for Adelaide are wrong, the growth will be significantly more than expected.

Building satellite cities around Adelaide will only enrich the whole Adelaide experience, not make it worse. And contributing to the growth of those satellite cities will be the opportunity to have flexible work arrangements.

This is just my humble opinion. Thanks for the respectful conversation

[Spotto]

cities exist for a reason
central business districts exist for a reason

The transformation of Parramatta into Sydney’s second CBD isn’t killing the old CBD, it’s creating a new economic and business hub.

Not all business necessarily has to be centred on the traditional CBD.

[abc]

cities exist for a reason
central business districts exist for a reason

The transformation of Parramatta into Sydney’s second CBD isn’t killing the old CBD, it’s creating a new economic and business hub.

Not all business necessarily has to be centred on the traditional CBD.

Parramatta is in the geographical population centre of greater Sydney... again a metro area of over 5 million people.

This only strengthens my point.

[cmet]

Talk about a staggering statistic.

Rail commitments for the rest of the decade.

[abc]

Talk about a staggering statistic.

Rail commitments for the rest of the decade.

Seems commensurate to wealth, forecast growth and population.

Remember much of our available funds are tied up in metropolitan Adelaide's very first motorway.

[Saltwater]

Remember much of our available funds are tied up in metropolitan Adelaide's very first motorway.

Unfortunately yes, and will be for the next decade or so. Adelaide has a multi-decade infrastructure backlog it needs to catch up on first, and the NSM is top of the list.

Also it's not just the funds tied up in NSM construction. There's a finite number of skilled resources available to build projects of this scale, and with experience needed to operate TBM's etc. I do hope that when the NSM is done we can seriously consider some kind of underground rail in the CBD.

[victorious80]

That doesnt seem right. The Tram Grade Sep program alone is a $400m 50:50 state/feds contribution. not that i dont want even more rail investment, but the numbers dont seem to align.

[rogue]

That doesnt seem right. The Tram Grade Sep program alone is a $400m 50:50 state/feds contribution. not that i dont want even more rail investment, but the numbers dont seem to align.

The Glenelg Tram Grade Separations project is an enabling project for T2D and therefore funded as part of T2D.

[A-Town]

That doesnt seem right. The Tram Grade Sep program alone is a $400m 50:50 state/feds contribution. not that i dont want even more rail investment, but the numbers dont seem to align.

Grade separation programs aren't really an investment in public transport, though. They benefit road users more so than tram patrons.

Do Victoria's numbers in the graph above include budget allocated towards their grade separation project?