The Housing Crisis

[SBD]

The issue with immigration/housing at the moment is with housing costs so high, including rent, housing stocks being so low that we are in a deficit, is that with all those issues making it extremely difficult for people already, do we really need to be adding hundreds of thousands more people to the mix?
There's obviously downward pressure on wages/salaries, think I posted it a while ago where it's gone backwards like 5-6%, the worst performing in all of the OECD.

The excessive amount of new arrivals might be helping the bottom lines of corporations but it's not helping everyday Australians, it's to our detriment.

The only place to point the blame at, for all the shit going on in Australia these days, be it the flood of new arrivals or the cost of living, is the government. Blame Canberra.
Anyone could tell you what Coles and Woolies are doing, that they're ripping people off across the board. But the government needs to waste time, and tax payers money holding an enquiry. What's the end result going to be of that? Nothing, they might get a slap on the wrist to show the voting public the government has "done something".

They are absolutely useless, utterly incompetent.

The government doesn't give a shit about the average Australian. It's not hard to figure that out.
Are they doing anything serious to actually bring the cost of living down? To make housing affordable again? No. They leave the people to suffer.
Are they doing anything to punish the corporations that are raping people on a daily basis, ie Coles & Woolies? No. They let their corporate mates do what they want and get away with it.

Who do they really give a shit about? Certainly not the Australian public.

The high salaries these incompetent clowns get and over the top pensions and pay rises, should be reduced drastically. We aren't getting our money's worth. The high incomes aren't attracting competent people to lead and govern, but corrupt shills interested in lining their own pockets and setting up their own luxurious retirements.

We are a stupid nation.

If the populace feels so ripped off by Coles and Woolworths, we should vote with our feet. We have Foodland, IGA, Drakes, Foodworks, Aldi and local butchers and greengrocers as alternatives and independent bottle shops instead of Dans and Liquorland. We don’t have to feed the beast of ASX listed corporations.

If we don’t like the politicians we elected last election, we should make better choices next year. Their superannuation pension deals are nowhere near as good as they used to be.

That's just not realistic. The majors monopolize the media and the overwhelming majority will always vote either red or blue.

That's clearly not always true - there were a bunch of "teal independents" elected two years ago. Collectively, we either agree to elect whichever party hack the backroom has pushed forward, agitate (which might mean joining) for the majors to choose better candidates, or vote for someone else (which requires a sensible alternate in our local electorate).

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If the populace feels so ripped off by Coles and Woolworths, we should vote with our feet. We have Foodland, IGA, Drakes, Foodworks, Aldi and local butchers and greengrocers as alternatives and independent bottle shops instead of Dans and Liquorland. We don’t have to feed the beast of ASX listed corporations.

If we don’t like the politicians we elected last election, we should make better choices next year. Their superannuation pension deals are nowhere near as good as they used to be.

That's just not realistic. The majors monopolize the media and the overwhelming majority will always vote either red or blue.

That's clearly not always true - there were a bunch of "teal independents" elected two years ago. Collectively, we either agree to elect whichever party hack the backroom has pushed forward, agitate (which might mean joining) for the majors to choose better candidates, or vote for someone else (which requires a sensible alternate in our local electorate).

The teal 'independents' will never hold government. They were only elected in elite areas as they're backed by big corporate money who stand to financially gain from the policies they advocate.

[SBD]

That's just not realistic. The majors monopolize the media and the overwhelming majority will always vote either red or blue.

That's clearly not always true - there were a bunch of "teal independents" elected two years ago. Collectively, we either agree to elect whichever party hack the backroom has pushed forward, agitate (which might mean joining) for the majors to choose better candidates, or vote for someone else (which requires a sensible alternate in our local electorate).

The teal 'independents' will never hold government. They were only elected in elite areas as they're backed by big corporate money who stand to financially gain from the policies they advocate.

Do you have a better solution?

Continuing to allow faceless men to control who is available to be elected doesn't seem to be resulting in the changes we'd like to see. If independents with different ideas can shake up the entrenched positions, this is a good thing, even if only for a term or two until they notice. If the trend of last election continues, neither major party group might have an outright majority on the floor of parliament.

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That's clearly not always true - there were a bunch of "teal independents" elected two years ago. Collectively, we either agree to elect whichever party hack the backroom has pushed forward, agitate (which might mean joining) for the majors to choose better candidates, or vote for someone else (which requires a sensible alternate in our local electorate).

The teal 'independents' will never hold government. They were only elected in elite areas as they're backed by big corporate money who stand to financially gain from the policies they advocate.

Do you have a better solution?

Continuing to allow faceless men to control who is available to be elected doesn't seem to be resulting in the changes we'd like to see. If independents with different ideas can shake up the entrenched positions, this is a good thing, even if only for a term or two until they notice. If the trend of last election continues, neither major party group might have an outright majority on the floor of parliament.

Stupid cant be fixed and stupids will continue to be gullible. There's literally nothing that can be done until it all collapses then the stupids will realise.

[SBD]

The teal 'independents' will never hold government. They were only elected in elite areas as they're backed by big corporate money who stand to financially gain from the policies they advocate.

Do you have a better solution?

Continuing to allow faceless men to control who is available to be elected doesn't seem to be resulting in the changes we'd like to see. If independents with different ideas can shake up the entrenched positions, this is a good thing, even if only for a term or two until they notice. If the trend of last election continues, neither major party group might have an outright majority on the floor of parliament.

Stupid cant be fixed and stupids will continue to be gullible. There's literally nothing that can be done until it all collapses then the stupids will realise.

Did you just call all Australian citizens "stupid"?

At the same time, you say there is no point in trying to vote for alternatives to the major parties to advocate or change.

[abc]

Do you have a better solution?

Continuing to allow faceless men to control who is available to be elected doesn't seem to be resulting in the changes we'd like to see. If independents with different ideas can shake up the entrenched positions, this is a good thing, even if only for a term or two until they notice. If the trend of last election continues, neither major party group might have an outright majority on the floor of parliament.

Stupid cant be fixed and stupids will continue to be gullible. There's literally nothing that can be done until it all collapses then the stupids will realise.

Did you just call all Australian citizens "stupid"?

At the same time, you say there is no point in trying to vote for alternatives to the major parties to advocate or change.

majority are, not all

we have proof of that from 2019-2021 era

I didn't say there was no point I said it was not realistic to expect the majority will make better choices as you put it due to the control the media have over the narrative

[HiTouch]

Stupid cant be fixed and stupids will continue to be gullible. There's literally nothing that can be done until it all collapses then the stupids will realise.

Did you just call all Australian citizens "stupid"?

At the same time, you say there is no point in trying to vote for alternatives to the major parties to advocate or change.

majority are, not all

we have proof of that from 2019-2021 era

I didn't say there was no point I said it was not realistic to expect the majority will make better choices as you put it due to the control the media have over the narrative

abc. Seriously. You can't just call everyone stupid all the time.

[abc]

Did you just call all Australian citizens "stupid"?

At the same time, you say there is no point in trying to vote for alternatives to the major parties to advocate or change.

majority are, not all

we have proof of that from 2019-2021 era

I didn't say there was no point I said it was not realistic to expect the majority will make better choices as you put it due to the control the media have over the narrative

abc. Seriously. You can't just call everyone stupid all the time.

I didn't

[SBD]

majority are, not all

we have proof of that from 2019-2021 era

I didn't say there was no point I said it was not realistic to expect the majority will make better choices as you put it due to the control the media have over the narrative

abc. Seriously. You can't just call everyone stupid all the time.

I didn't

I'm not sure you can blindly blame "the media" - even social media. I'm pretty sure it was "the media" who told me there were multiple candidates for preselection in the safe seat I live in. It was "the Party" (or the faceless men in the back room) who chose that the candidate I should be allowed to choose would be a middle-aged man from the Transport Workers Union, not a young woman with a demonstrated ability to explore and promote issues that should be of concern to all of us. If she'd won preselection, I think it would have been the first time in my life that party received my first preference with enthusiasm.

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abc. Seriously. You can't just call everyone stupid all the time.

I didn't

I'm not sure you can blindly blame "the media" - even social media. I'm pretty sure it was "the media" who told me there were multiple candidates for preselection in the safe seat I live in. It was "the Party" (or the faceless men in the back room) who chose that the candidate I should be allowed to choose would be a middle-aged man from the Transport Workers Union, not a young woman with a demonstrated ability to explore and promote issues that should be of concern to all of us. If she'd won preselection, I think it would have been the first time in my life that party received my first preference with enthusiasm.

What are you even talking about?

[SBD]

I didn't

I'm not sure you can blindly blame "the media" - even social media. I'm pretty sure it was "the media" who told me there were multiple candidates for preselection in the safe seat I live in. It was "the Party" (or the faceless men in the back room) who chose that the candidate I should be allowed to choose would be a middle-aged man from the Transport Workers Union, not a young woman with a demonstrated ability to explore and promote issues that should be of concern to all of us. If she'd won preselection, I think it would have been the first time in my life that party received my first preference with enthusiasm.

What are you even talking about?

Responding to your line above "... I said it was not realistic to expect the majority will make better choices as you put it due to the control the media have over the narrative ".

[rev]

NSW is increasing the tax on foreign investment in housing property from 8% to 9%. Woooow big change lol.

In SA we're at 7%.

Foreign investors own 2% of Australian housing. According to the ABS in 2022 there were 10.9 million dwellings. That's 218,000 dwellings owned by foreign investors.
How many of those are occupied by those foreign investors?
How many are rented out by those foreign investors?

Personally I think that if a foreign investor isn't going to live in a dwelling that they buy in Australia, they should be slugged a 25% tax on that property purchase price.
Not that it'll happen with our weak gutless governments, but that money could be directly allocated to helping improve social services and community housing for the disadvantaged.
There should also be limits on how much a foreign investor can charge for rent.

The value of housing in Australia has surpassed $10 trillion.
https://www.realestate.com.au/news/valu ... s-persist/

[SBD]

NSW is increasing the tax on foreign investment in housing property from 8% to 9%. Woooow big change lol.

In SA we're at 7%.

Foreign investors own 2% of Australian housing. According to the ABS in 2022 there were 10.9 million dwellings. That's 218,000 dwellings owned by foreign investors.
How many of those are occupied by those foreign investors?
How many are rented out by those foreign investors?

Personally I think that if a foreign investor isn't going to live in a dwelling that they buy in Australia, they should be slugged a 25% tax on that property purchase price.
Not that it'll happen with our weak gutless governments, but that money could be directly allocated to helping improve social services and community housing for the disadvantaged.
There should also be limits on how much a foreign investor can charge for rent.

The value of housing in Australia has surpassed $10 trillion.
https://www.realestate.com.au/news/valu ... s-persist/

If it's owner-occupied, then the owner is a resident, not an investor, regardless of what passport they hold.

Is the 218,000 dwellings calculated only on investments, or does it include owner-occupied non-citizens (eg New Zealanders and other permanent residents)?

I have a share portfolio not a property portfolio, but I don't understand how "we" can complain about a shortage of available rental properties, and at the same time complain about both foreign investors and "mum and dad" investors as landlords. The governments no longer want to be landlords for anyone who can afford to rent privately (nor most who can't), but there seems to be little attraction for anyone else either.

[SRW]

NSW government will build build-to-rent apartments for 'essential workers' to ensure they are not priced out of the locations they serve. Obviously, not an ideal scenario, but certainly an intervention the housing crisis demands. One hopes the SA government will follow suit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-16/ ... /103984400

[abc]

NSW government will build build-to-rent apartments for 'essential workers' to ensure they are not priced out of the locations they serve. Obviously, not an ideal scenario, but certainly an intervention the housing crisis demands. One hopes the SA government will follow suit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-16/ ... /103984400

British style council flats

the new great Australian dream

next to revive the housing trust...