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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1726 Post by rev » Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:45 am

PD2/20 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:06 pm
rubberman wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:53 pm
Apparently the AFR and Newscorp publications are real news, but the Guardian is clickbait?

Wouldn't it be better to just post the articles and let people decide?

There's no real context to those articles, and they could provoke some healthy debate, but why bother if it leads to people throwing round falsehoods like the banks have no money, and then doubling down on it? Then it devolves into personal nonsense.
Also the Smart Energy Council news release carried by the Guardian was widely covered by a range of papers and news media including the AFR!!!
Just a few of the things that pop up from the Smart Energy Council in a Google Search, despite their claims of being "independent", leads me to believe they are pushing a renewable net zero agenda.
Which is fine, but they shouldn't portray them selves as independent when clearly they've chosen a side.

Calling them selves "smart energy", when what they're pushing is this net zero bs agenda. Nothing smart about policies which are driving up consumer costs.

What would be smart, is genuinely exploring all options, to find a pathway and solution that would benefit this nation, without any partisan influence.
But we don't seem to be able to do that in this country.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1727 Post by rubberman » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:53 pm

abc wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:00 am
PD2/20 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:06 pm
rubberman wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:53 pm
Apparently the AFR and Newscorp publications are real news, but the Guardian is clickbait?

Wouldn't it be better to just post the articles and let people decide?

There's no real context to those articles, and they could provoke some healthy debate, but why bother if it leads to people throwing round falsehoods like the banks have no money, and then doubling down on it? Then it devolves into personal nonsense.
Also the Smart Energy Council news release carried by the Guardian was widely covered by a range of papers and news media including the AFR!!!
"Smart Energy Council" with Simon Holmes a Court on the board are a bunch of climate grifters

'independent' yeah right... they're a Teals party vehicle

some here seem incapable of doing basic due diligence
Or, they might just be right.

If the AFR says 1+1=3, and the Smart Energy Council says 1+1=2, does that mean the SEC has an agenda? Or just that it's right.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1728 Post by abc » Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:20 pm

rubberman wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:53 pm
abc wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:00 am
PD2/20 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:06 pm

Also the Smart Energy Council news release carried by the Guardian was widely covered by a range of papers and news media including the AFR!!!
"Smart Energy Council" with Simon Holmes a Court on the board are a bunch of climate grifters

'independent' yeah right... they're a Teals party vehicle

some here seem incapable of doing basic due diligence
Or, they might just be right.

If the AFR says 1+1=3, and the Smart Energy Council says 1+1=2, does that mean the SEC has an agenda? Or just that it's right.
oh dear...
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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1729 Post by rev » Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:44 pm

And here ladies and gentleman, we have a prime example of why shit kick off on this forum, but also why this country is in the mess it's in right now in general.

We have people who rather then being open minded, are coming into a discussion from in their POV, being correct and the other side being wrong.
There's no middle ground to be found, there's no room for actual meaningful discussion. There's no compromise on ones position.
And then when they are unable to sway someone else, the silly insults about peoples intelligence and mathematics skills are rolled out, along with attacking news sources as not being credible.
Similarly we see with our politicians, they government is dead set against nuclear and wont even entertain the idea, so when the other side rolled out a partial policy announcement, the shit flinging started, with memes about 3 eyed fish and kids going to school wearing gas masks.
Nobody is willing to take a step back and listen and consider the other sides POV. Nobody wants to consider that they may be wrong.

This is why I have these people on ignore. Because you just cant reason with that no matter how hard you try, be it politely or otherwise.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1730 Post by abc » Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:54 pm

rev wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:44 pm
And here ladies and gentleman, we have a prime example of why shit kick off on this forum, but also why this country is in the mess it's in right now in general.

We have people who rather then being open minded, are coming into a discussion from in their POV, being correct and the other side being wrong.
There's no middle ground to be found, there's no room for actual meaningful discussion. There's no compromise on ones position.
And then when they are unable to sway someone else, the silly insults about peoples intelligence and mathematics skills are rolled out, along with attacking news sources as not being credible.
Similarly we see with our politicians, they government is dead set against nuclear and wont even entertain the idea, so when the other side rolled out a partial policy announcement, the shit flinging started, with memes about 3 eyed fish and kids going to school wearing gas masks.
Nobody is willing to take a step back and listen and consider the other sides POV. Nobody wants to consider that they may be wrong.

This is why I have these people on ignore. Because you just cant reason with that no matter how hard you try, be it politely or otherwise.
you want everyone to be a fence sitter like you

there is a right and there is a wrong, you can't have it both ways
tired of low IQ hacks

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1731 Post by mattblack » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:22 pm

rev wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:44 pm
And here ladies and gentleman, we have a prime example of why shit kick off on this forum, but also why this country is in the mess it's in right now in general.

We have people who rather then being open minded, are coming into a discussion from in their POV, being correct and the other side being wrong.
There's no middle ground to be found, there's no room for actual meaningful discussion. There's no compromise on ones position.
And then when they are unable to sway someone else, the silly insults about peoples intelligence and mathematics skills are rolled out, along with attacking news sources as not being credible.
Similarly we see with our politicians, they government is dead set against nuclear and wont even entertain the idea, so when the other side rolled out a partial policy announcement, the shit flinging started, with memes about 3 eyed fish and kids going to school wearing gas masks.
Nobody is willing to take a step back and listen and consider the other sides POV. Nobody wants to consider that they may be wrong.

This is why I have these people on ignore. Because you just cant reason with that no matter how hard you try, be it politely or otherwise.
The reason that there are politicians dead set against the idea is that it has been thoroughly investigated in the past (in South Australia) through the Nuclear Fuel Cycle Royal Commission undertaken in 2015-16 that cost about 7 million at the time

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-281452879/view

What this may look like and if results are different in other states may be a viable question but the question has been asked and answered in the most comprehensive way possible for SA (Royal Commission).

The Final report found that "the future demand for and anticipated costs of nuclear power (including small modular reactors) mean that it is unlikely to be commercially viable in South Australia in the foreseeable future". The report says that nuclear power is unlikely to be profitable in SA, as is the processing of uranium before export.

However, the report stated that SA could profitably take nuclear waste from other countries and store it locally. The report says that there is presently limited local opposition to mining and exporting uranium in SA, and it advocates the expansion of the uranium industry. The final report recommends the repeal of state and federal prohibitions which currently prevent further development of the nuclear industry in South Australia beyond its current role in the mining and export of uranium oxide concentrates (taken from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_F ... Commission - feel free to read through the entire report if you feel it necessary to confirm conclusions)

Not sure how much more evidence is needed than a Royal Commission. Not sure google searches will give you more valid arguments.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1732 Post by abc » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:25 pm

mattblack wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:22 pm
rev wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:44 pm
And here ladies and gentleman, we have a prime example of why shit kick off on this forum, but also why this country is in the mess it's in right now in general.

We have people who rather then being open minded, are coming into a discussion from in their POV, being correct and the other side being wrong.
There's no middle ground to be found, there's no room for actual meaningful discussion. There's no compromise on ones position.
And then when they are unable to sway someone else, the silly insults about peoples intelligence and mathematics skills are rolled out, along with attacking news sources as not being credible.
Similarly we see with our politicians, they government is dead set against nuclear and wont even entertain the idea, so when the other side rolled out a partial policy announcement, the shit flinging started, with memes about 3 eyed fish and kids going to school wearing gas masks.
Nobody is willing to take a step back and listen and consider the other sides POV. Nobody wants to consider that they may be wrong.

This is why I have these people on ignore. Because you just cant reason with that no matter how hard you try, be it politely or otherwise.
The reason that there are politicians dead set against the idea is that it has been thoroughly investigated in the past (in South Australia) through the Nuclear Fuel Cycle Royal Commission undertaken in 2015-16 that cost about 7 million at the time

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-281452879/view

What this may look like and if results are different in other states may be a viable question but the question has been asked and answered in the most comprehensive way possible for SA (Royal Commission).

The Final report found that "the future demand for and anticipated costs of nuclear power (including small modular reactors) mean that it is unlikely to be commercially viable in South Australia in the foreseeable future". The report says that nuclear power is unlikely to be profitable in SA, as is the processing of uranium before export.

However, the report stated that SA could profitably take nuclear waste from other countries and store it locally. The report says that there is presently limited local opposition to mining and exporting uranium in SA, and it advocates the expansion of the uranium industry. The final report recommends the repeal of state and federal prohibitions which currently prevent further development of the nuclear industry in South Australia beyond its current role in the mining and export of uranium oxide concentrates (taken from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_F ... Commission - feel free to read through the entire report if you feel it necessary to confirm conclusions)

Not sure how much more evidence is needed than a Royal Commission. Not sure google searches will give you more valid arguments.
you don't consider a Royal Commission is a politically motivated tool with a predetermined outcome to the benefit of lobbyists that influence government policy

apparently we have an industry of mining and exporting uranium because nuclear energy is uneconomic... tell that to all the places that purchase the state's uranium resources
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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1733 Post by rev » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:42 pm

abc wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:54 pm
rev wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:44 pm
And here ladies and gentleman, we have a prime example of why shit kick off on this forum, but also why this country is in the mess it's in right now in general.

We have people who rather then being open minded, are coming into a discussion from in their POV, being correct and the other side being wrong.
There's no middle ground to be found, there's no room for actual meaningful discussion. There's no compromise on ones position.
And then when they are unable to sway someone else, the silly insults about peoples intelligence and mathematics skills are rolled out, along with attacking news sources as not being credible.
Similarly we see with our politicians, they government is dead set against nuclear and wont even entertain the idea, so when the other side rolled out a partial policy announcement, the shit flinging started, with memes about 3 eyed fish and kids going to school wearing gas masks.
Nobody is willing to take a step back and listen and consider the other sides POV. Nobody wants to consider that they may be wrong.

This is why I have these people on ignore. Because you just cant reason with that no matter how hard you try, be it politely or otherwise.
you want everyone to be a fence sitter like you

there is a right and there is a wrong, you can't have it both ways
There's no fence to sit on champ, there's two extreme sides who haven' left a fence to sit on for anyone in the middle. As you can see, share an opinion or news that differs and the attacks come from both sides. Thank you.

What I want is our elected officials to stop being useless and driven purely by their political ideologies, and instead do what's in the interests of this country and it's people for a change. At least on one issue affecting us all.
I want them to seriously have a look at all the options on the table, including nuclear, with a non-partisan approach, and then determine what the best outcome is.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1734 Post by Waewick » Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:01 pm


rev wrote:
abc wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:54 pm
rev wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:44 pm
And here ladies and gentleman, we have a prime example of why shit kick off on this forum, but also why this country is in the mess it's in right now in general.

We have people who rather then being open minded, are coming into a discussion from in their POV, being correct and the other side being wrong.
There's no middle ground to be found, there's no room for actual meaningful discussion. There's no compromise on ones position.
And then when they are unable to sway someone else, the silly insults about peoples intelligence and mathematics skills are rolled out, along with attacking news sources as not being credible.
Similarly we see with our politicians, they government is dead set against nuclear and wont even entertain the idea, so when the other side rolled out a partial policy announcement, the shit flinging started, with memes about 3 eyed fish and kids going to school wearing gas masks.
Nobody is willing to take a step back and listen and consider the other sides POV. Nobody wants to consider that they may be wrong.

This is why I have these people on ignore. Because you just cant reason with that no matter how hard you try, be it politely or otherwise.
you want everyone to be a fence sitter like you

there is a right and there is a wrong, you can't have it both ways
There's no fence to sit on champ, there's two extreme sides who haven' left a fence to sit on for anyone in the middle. As you can see, share an opinion or news that differs and the attacks come from both sides. Thank you.

What I want is our elected officials to stop being useless and driven purely by their political ideologies, and instead do what's in the interests of this country and it's people for a change. At least on one issue affecting us all.
I want them to seriously have a look at all the options on the table, including nuclear, with a non-partisan approach, and then determine what the best outcome is.
The options have been put on the table and Nuclear was taken off because its not worth it.

Its ideology that's put it back on the table.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1735 Post by claybro » Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:02 pm

Back to the point of $600 billion for 3 percent generation with nuclear. It requires further explanation than a throw away slogan for politicians and associated media.When taking generation by source as a percentage amount, it can be misleading. Assuming the 3% is an average, it sounds like a terrible investment. But what is it 3% of? Is it 3% of projected total power generation based on future installed wind, solar and storage?- because total installed capacity is not what wind and solar actually produce at any given time. Australia might install 300% of its energy requirements with renewables, but this means nothing if most wind turbines are idle and the sun is not shining- as has happened numerous times since April-- that 300% possible, could become 30% actual on any given night.- do we shut the country down at 4pm? . What are they basing battery storage on- because their projections up until recently assumed a big increase in battery availability and technology. It is a problem with renewables- that without significant improvement in battery storage- we will be relying apparently on green hydrogen, as per the current plan. Green hydrogen has not yet been produced in large commercial quantities, nor is it able to be easily and cost effectively transported. So we have one side rubbishing an apparently un costed and experimental tech such as SMR, but will happily promote green hydrogen as part of their plan -un costed and unproven.-what is the lifespan of renewables- 20, 30 years? there are nuclear reactors chugging away after 50-60 years only just now needing refurbs. So we are back to a secondary backup generation system- based on our current inability to store power for long peiods of time.. Coal/ Gas or nuclear. -or all three Gas should not be being wasted on electricity generation. It is too important for chemical and fertiliser production. The general population will largely gloss over with all of this in the coming 12 months- its too much technical jargon. But what they do know is that the likes of Twiggy Forrest with his green hydrogen and Mike Cannon Brookes with his sun cable to Singapore have had hundreds of million of tax payer dollars to produce nothing but a concept, and people are pissed with all this- In fact Twiggy's hydrogen boondoggle is now buggering off to the US because Queensland is too costly to do business. The public also know that wide ranging countries such as Canada, and Turkey somehow find nuclear to be feasible, as do most of the worlds top economies. One side is telling us we are too stupid, or cant be trusted with the waste, or we don't have the technological ability- that doesn't go down well either- the not clever memes on social media- its pathetic from both sides . -At least we are now having a very public discussion, and some of the over optimistic claims about renewables are being flushed out for scrutiny as well. Please go well people- these conversations are important.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1736 Post by Waewick » Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:06 pm


claybro wrote:Back to the point of $600 billion for 3 percent generation with nuclear. It requires further explanation than a throw away slogan for politicians and associated media.
Is the cost or the time the biggest issue?

By the time they actuality build it, renewables + battery will likely have done the job

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1737 Post by abc » Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:16 pm

Waewick wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:01 pm
rev wrote:
abc wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:54 pm


you want everyone to be a fence sitter like you

there is a right and there is a wrong, you can't have it both ways
There's no fence to sit on champ, there's two extreme sides who haven' left a fence to sit on for anyone in the middle. As you can see, share an opinion or news that differs and the attacks come from both sides. Thank you.

What I want is our elected officials to stop being useless and driven purely by their political ideologies, and instead do what's in the interests of this country and it's people for a change. At least on one issue affecting us all.
I want them to seriously have a look at all the options on the table, including nuclear, with a non-partisan approach, and then determine what the best outcome is.
The options have been put on the table and Nuclear was taken off because its not worth it.

Its ideology that's put it back on the table.

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irony considering the so called 'renewable sector' is the biggest ideological cult in existence today outside of established religious orders
tired of low IQ hacks

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1738 Post by rubberman » Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:59 pm

abc wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:16 pm
Waewick wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:01 pm
rev wrote:
There's no fence to sit on champ, there's two extreme sides who haven' left a fence to sit on for anyone in the middle. As you can see, share an opinion or news that differs and the attacks come from both sides. Thank you.

What I want is our elected officials to stop being useless and driven purely by their political ideologies, and instead do what's in the interests of this country and it's people for a change. At least on one issue affecting us all.
I want them to seriously have a look at all the options on the table, including nuclear, with a non-partisan approach, and then determine what the best outcome is.
The options have been put on the table and Nuclear was taken off because its not worth it.

Its ideology that's put it back on the table.

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irony considering the so called 'renewable sector' is the biggest ideological cult in existence today outside of established religious orders
How so?

We know that huge amounts of carbon dioxide were removed from the atmosphere during the Carboniferous era.

We know that the weather then was far hotter and more humid than today before cooling to become temperate...after millions of years. It's almost as if removing carbon dioxide cooled the planet.

So, the idea that releasing that carbon dioxide will cause warming is the logical conclusion. So, why would you think that returning carbon dioxide levels wouldn't return the weather to what it was when carbon dioxide levels were higher?

Further, almost all of our plastics on which a huge part of our economy and well being relies, are being burnt, rather than used for lubricants, clothing, car parts etc etc. There's no future in that. So, we are going to have to find alternative energy at some point. Why not now?

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1739 Post by Waewick » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:14 pm


abc wrote:
Waewick wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:01 pm
rev wrote: There's no fence to sit on champ, there's two extreme sides who haven' left a fence to sit on for anyone in the middle. As you can see, share an opinion or news that differs and the attacks come from both sides. Thank you.

What I want is our elected officials to stop being useless and driven purely by their political ideologies, and instead do what's in the interests of this country and it's people for a change. At least on one issue affecting us all.
I want them to seriously have a look at all the options on the table, including nuclear, with a non-partisan approach, and then determine what the best outcome is.
The options have been put on the table and Nuclear was taken off because its not worth it.

Its ideology that's put it back on the table.

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irony considering the so called 'renewable sector' is the biggest ideological cult in existence today outside of established religious orders
I see that from the boomer brigade on facebook

I understand new technologies can be scary, but don't worry in a few years time you'll get comfortable with it.


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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#1740 Post by rev » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:46 pm

Waewick wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:01 pm
rev wrote:
abc wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:54 pm


you want everyone to be a fence sitter like you

there is a right and there is a wrong, you can't have it both ways
There's no fence to sit on champ, there's two extreme sides who haven' left a fence to sit on for anyone in the middle. As you can see, share an opinion or news that differs and the attacks come from both sides. Thank you.

What I want is our elected officials to stop being useless and driven purely by their political ideologies, and instead do what's in the interests of this country and it's people for a change. At least on one issue affecting us all.
I want them to seriously have a look at all the options on the table, including nuclear, with a non-partisan approach, and then determine what the best outcome is.
The options have been put on the table and Nuclear was taken off because its not worth it.

Its ideology that's put it back on the table.

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You mean the royal commission which said the following?
While it is not clear whether nuclear power would be
the best choice for Australia beyond 2030, it would
be prudent for it not to be precluded as an option.

In Australia, nuclear power cannot contribute to
emissions reductions before 2030 because of the
long lead time to make new capacity operational.
It could contribute after that time, which may be
important if more rapid action is required to be
taken to reach a net zero emissions target from
energy generation by 2050.
Are we not failing to meet emissions reduction targets at the moment? The answer to that is yes.
It would be wise to plan now for a contingency in
which external pressure is applied to Australia to
more rapidly decarbonise. Action taken now to
settle policy for the delivery and operation of
nuclear power would enable it to potentially
contribute to reducing carbon emissions.
So, party politics aside, why not do what the Royal Commission says here, and plan? Isn't that what the Liberals have done, all be it partially released that plan?
Shouldn't a prudent government that wasn't purely driven by blind faith in an ideology, step back and make some rational decisions and say sorry we aren't going to meet our targets we need to look at other/all options for the coming decades?
Is it too much to expect that the people elected and paid to run this country, are going to do what's in our interests for once instead of doubling down on a policy that has failed to meet their own targets?

To make a range of technologies available, action is
required now.
In the case of nuclear power, those actions include the:
• amendment of existing legislation
• setting of key policies that would send relevant signals for
private sector investment
• development of an electricity market structure
• development of a new regulatory framework that addresses
key principles of non-proliferation, safety and security in
the use of nuclear energy.
How much of this has been done by any Labor or Liberal government?
Making nuclear power available as an option does not mean
it would be the best choice for Australia in 2030. Other
developments may well lessen the need for it. However,
that should not be assumed. The present considerable
optimism about the future cost of renewable generation and
storage does not ensure certainty about these outcomes.51
Nor should the development of nuclear be regarded as static.
As nuclear projects are implemented in other countries, and
as new systems are developed, particularly small modular
reactors, the costs of nuclear may demonstrate that it should
be part of a low-cost, low-carbon energy system in Australia.
You guys are well versed in cherry picking and assuming outcomes. Probably because of the belief that nobody you're arguing against will bother to look.
Well, I looked.
And in just a few short minutes of admittedly skim reading through the report, I've found multiple instances where you are wrong.
I'm happy to be proven wrong in your return serve.

If nuclear power were to be considered in
South Australia, analysis should focus on a
proven design that has been constructed with
active and passive safety features. For commercial
electricity generation in the foreseeable future
this would include analysis of potential small
modular reactors based on light water designs
because of their suitability for integration in
smaller markets, but not advanced fast reactors
or other innovative reactor designs.
The AP1000 reactors mentioned by the Liberals, are light water reactors, and the AP1000 also comes in a SMR variant.
Relative to other regions of the NEM, South
Australia has one of the highest average wholesale
prices and some of the greatest price volatility.
That said in 2015, yet with all the wonderful renewable projects popping up that were meant to bring costs down, things have gotten worse.
But when the other guys propose something different, it's trust me bro that wont work.
An assessment of the viability of establishing
a nuclear power plant in the South Australian
NEM would require a full systems investigation.
Was this done after the Royal Commission?
The conclusion that nuclear power is not viable
in South Australia remains the case:
a. on a range of predicted wholesale electricity prices
incorporating a range of possible carbon prices
b. for both large or proposed new small reactor
designs
c. under current and potentially substantially
expanded interconnection capacity to Victoria
and NSW
While nuclear generation is not currently viable,
it is possible that this assessment may change.
Its commercial viability as part of the NEM in South
Australia under current market rules would be
improved if:
a. a national requirement for near-zero CO 2
emissions from the electricity sector made it
impossible to rely on gas generation (open cycle
gas turbine and combined cycle gas turbine) to
balance intermittency from renewable sources
b. the intermittency of renewables could not be
supported adequately by cost-effective storage
at scale or by new demand sources such as ‘power
to fuel’, which converts surplus power into a
transport fuel source
c. system augmentations required to support
substantially greater wind generation and
commercial solar PV were more expensive
than anticipated
d. the costs and risks associated with demonstrating
and integrating carbon capture and storage with
fossil fuel generation at scale are greater than
presently anticipated
e. current capital and operating costs of nuclear
plants were substantially reduced, which would
require overcoming complexities and inexperience
in project construction. Some reductions in costs
have been partially demonstrated for recent
plants constructed in China, but not yet in
Europe or the USA
f. changes to government policy resulted in a
combination of:
i. a price on carbon emissions in the economy
(including from electricity generation)
ii. finance at lower cost than available on the
commercial market (that is, a form of loan
guarantee)
iii. long-term revenue certainty for investors.
The challenges to the viability of nuclear power
generation under current market conditions in South
Australia should not preclude its consideration as
part of a future energy generation portfolio for the
NEM. There is value in having nuclear as an option
that could be implemented readily
A future national electricity supply system must
be designed to be low carbon and highly reliable at
the lowest possible system cost. Resolving this
‘trilemma’ will be difficult and will require carefully
considered government policies.
There are many combinations of generation
technologies for a future low-carbon electricity
system: it is not a simple choice between nuclear
or renewables.
At present, there is no analysis of a future NEM that
examines total system costs based on a range of
credible low-carbon energy generation options.
Such an analysis would be required before it could
be asserted that any option would deliver reliable,
low-carbon electricity at the lowest overall
cost—with or without nuclear power.
A critical issue to be determined in a total systems
cost analysis of a future NEM is whether nuclear
could lower the total costs of electricity
generation and supply
Well, we've seen renewables haven't done that. But we shouldn't look at any other possible options, that may reduce those costs. Let's just stick with the policy that has clearly failed.

From what I've read so far skimming through it, it does indeed say that back in 2015, it wasn't viable for nuclear for a variety of reasons.
But, it also says that nuclear should not be ruled out and that it may play a role in the future for Australia. Which is what I'm saying.
Things are considerably worse for consumers, will continue to be for quite a while probably well into the next decade and then some, emissions targets aren't going to bet met.
So why not consider other options, why not have a serious non-partisan look at what else can be done, or what should be done, and how whats been done can be done better if more renewables and batteries are the solution.

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