News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

[PeFe]

The South Australian Royal Commission into the Nuclear Fuel Cycle in 2016 put the price of electricity generated from small nuclear plants @ $238 per mwh, so I am calling that around $350 per mwh in 2024 prices. If small nuclear were generating in South Australia today that would make it the most expensive energy source. God knows what it would be in 2037!

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-281452879/view

Here are the last 12 months of wholesale spot prices in South Australia. Gas is the most expensive (forget distillate, its hardly used and is closing) and rooftop solar is the cheapest. Renewables plus storage provide lower prices compared to fossil fuel alternatives.

https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?rang ... crete-time

[abc]

Well isn't facebook missing out on another psudeo expert.


But there is no need for a rationle debate. Thats been had, many times over the last 50 years.

Everyone who should know if Nuclear stacks up in Australia tells us it doesn't.

That leaves us with people like you or Peter Dutton telling us all the experts are wrong.

so little old Australia which can't even build a modern motor car knows something the rest of the developed world doesn't...

So, if we can't build a car...I don't like the chances of being able to build a nuclear plant.

so you admit we're settling for being a backward nation

[abc]

Well isn't facebook missing out on another psudeo expert.


But there is no need for a rationle debate. Thats been had, many times over the last 50 years.

Everyone who should know if Nuclear stacks up in Australia tells us it doesn't.

That leaves us with people like you or Peter Dutton telling us all the experts are wrong.

so little old Australia which can't even build a modern motor car knows something the rest of the developed world doesn't...

The rest of the world is investing more and more in renewables and less and less in nuclear

So yes, Australia knows exactly what the rest of the world know, in fact we were way to slow on the uptake.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/claims ... nt-add-up/

So given you think we should be doing what everyone else is, its great to have you onboard the renewables push.

so you're answering the question nobody asked with this childish 'fact check' article of a claim nobody made

[rubberman]

so little old Australia which can't even build a modern motor car knows something the rest of the developed world doesn't...

So, if we can't build a car...I don't like the chances of being able to build a nuclear plant.

so you admit we're settling for being a backward nation

How on earth do you connect not being able to build a nuclear plant with being backward? What is the logical connection, if any?

It looks like you've just started with one fact, relevant to the debate, ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations, and then, somehow jumped to a conclusion that is totally unrelated.

At least make an effort to explain the logic when trying to connect what are totally unrelated subjects.

I wish, by no means, to suspend any pleasure of yours, but at the moment there's a series of assertions with almost no obvious logic. So, if all you are doing is putting an opinion out there, fine. However, without some sort of coherent argument, it's a bit like shouting at clouds.

[abc]

So, if we can't build a car...I don't like the chances of being able to build a nuclear plant.

so you admit we're settling for being a backward nation

How on earth do you connect not being able to build a nuclear plant with being backward? What is the logical connection, if any?

It looks like you've just started with one fact, relevant to the debate, ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations, and then, somehow jumped to a conclusion that is totally unrelated.

At least make an effort to explain the logic when trying to connect what are totally unrelated subjects.

I wish, by no means, to suspend any pleasure of yours, but at the moment there's a series of assertions with almost no obvious logic. So, if all you are doing is putting an opinion out there, fine. However, without some sort of coherent argument, it's a bit like shouting at clouds.

"ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations"

so we import Chinese to build them for us..smart people with adequate technology... because we're a nation of basics

[rubberman]

so you admit we're settling for being a backward nation

How on earth do you connect not being able to build a nuclear plant with being backward? What is the logical connection, if any?

It looks like you've just started with one fact, relevant to the debate, ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations, and then, somehow jumped to a conclusion that is totally unrelated.

At least make an effort to explain the logic when trying to connect what are totally unrelated subjects.

I wish, by no means, to suspend any pleasure of yours, but at the moment there's a series of assertions with almost no obvious logic. So, if all you are doing is putting an opinion out there, fine. However, without some sort of coherent argument, it's a bit like shouting at clouds.

"ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations"

so we import Chinese to build them for us..smart people with adequate technology... because we're a nation of basics

Just because we can't do everything, doesn't mean we are backward. If we don't need nuclear, or cannot deploy it in time, it is pointless developing the capacity.

[abc]

How on earth do you connect not being able to build a nuclear plant with being backward? What is the logical connection, if any?

It looks like you've just started with one fact, relevant to the debate, ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations, and then, somehow jumped to a conclusion that is totally unrelated.

At least make an effort to explain the logic when trying to connect what are totally unrelated subjects.

I wish, by no means, to suspend any pleasure of yours, but at the moment there's a series of assertions with almost no obvious logic. So, if all you are doing is putting an opinion out there, fine. However, without some sort of coherent argument, it's a bit like shouting at clouds.

"ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations"

so we import Chinese to build them for us..smart people with adequate technology... because we're a nation of basics

Just because we can't do everything, doesn't mean we are backward. If we don't need nuclear, or cannot deploy it in time, it is pointless developing the capacity.

"in time" for what?

...and we are backward... the Chinese and Indians laugh at how backward Australia is and we did it to ourselves.

[Waewick]

so little old Australia which can't even build a modern motor car knows something the rest of the developed world doesn't...

The rest of the world is investing more and more in renewables and less and less in nuclear

So yes, Australia knows exactly what the rest of the world know, in fact we were way to slow on the uptake.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/claims ... nt-add-up/

So given you think we should be doing what everyone else is, its great to have you onboard the renewables push.

so you're answering the question nobody asked with this childish 'fact check' article of a claim nobody made

You seemed to be suggesting not going nuclear was knowing something the world doesn't know.

Perhaps instead of sulking that your argument is fantasy, acknowledge you got it wrong an move on.

[Waewick]

"ie Australia doesn't have the capacity to build nuclear power stations"

so we import Chinese to build them for us..smart people with adequate technology... because we're a nation of basics

Just because we can't do everything, doesn't mean we are backward. If we don't need nuclear, or cannot deploy it in time, it is pointless developing the capacity.

"in time" for what?

...and we are backward... the Chinese and Indians laugh at how backward Australia is and we did it to ourselves.

Its certainly backwards to be arguing for last centuries technologies to be rolled out in place of modern ones.

Especially when *checks notes* the rest of the world is also investing in them.

[rev]

The South Australian Royal Commission into the Nuclear Fuel Cycle in 2016 put the price of electricity generated from small nuclear plants @ $238 per mwh, so I am calling that around $350 per mwh in 2024 prices. If small nuclear were generating in South Australia today that would make it the most expensive energy source. God knows what it would be in 2037!

What's your qualifications and expertise to make that call?

Yeh, just imagine what the cost will be in 2037 if we continue on the path we're on today. Imagine how many more households wont be able to afford electricity in their homes.

[bits]

I said it earlier but power prices on July 1st are going down
Not just not inflation increase but actually down.

[abc]

Just because we can't do everything, doesn't mean we are backward. If we don't need nuclear, or cannot deploy it in time, it is pointless developing the capacity.

"in time" for what?

...and we are backward... the Chinese and Indians laugh at how backward Australia is and we did it to ourselves.

Its certainly backwards to be arguing for last centuries technologies to be rolled out in place of modern ones.

Especially when *checks notes* the rest of the world is also investing in them.

they're investing in them, they're a long way away from going all in on them

[Waewick]

"in time" for what?

...and we are backward... the Chinese and Indians laugh at how backward Australia is and we did it to ourselves.

Its certainly backwards to be arguing for last centuries technologies to be rolled out in place of modern ones.

Especially when *checks notes* the rest of the world is also investing in them.

they're investing in them, they're a long way away from going all in on them

Cope with it however you want.

Just don't expect a nuclear power plant any time soon.

[rubberman]

https://reneweconomy.com.au/aemo-locks- ... en-faster/

[rev]

It was just on the news that the coalitions energy plan will feature renewables, or that they will play a role along with nuclear.
Unfortunately they didn't spend much time on it and most of the time on it was spent focusing on the arguing between parties.