News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

[VinyTapestry849]

Well, there's two options, JAL and ANA.

Yes and I would be very happy if ANA took the bull by the horns. They fly to Perth why not here?

The problem with ANA, is that they only serve Perth seasonally. Adelaide having half the population as perth, I struggle to see ANA bothering with Adelaide without some serious bribery

Surely Jetstar would be another option. I know people here might prefer to see the route served by a more premium carrier, but Jetstar would help to push prices down, and their whole model is based around the Australian leisure market, which would be the primary demand behind an Adelaide-Tokyo route.

On the same point, I think Adelaide would benefit much more from direct Jetstar flights to Singapore than by getting Qantas back on that route. Jetstar to Singapore would put real downward pressure on prices not only to Singapore, but to a whole range of other destinations which Jetstar connects to through its Singapore hub. Opening up this route would have the effect of making international travel out of Adelaide generally more affordable. For comparison, standard price on MEL - SIN with Jetstar is around $400 return vs around $1000 with Singapore Airlines on ADL-SIN. PER-SIN standard price is even cheaper - around $330 return. You could expect ADL-SIN to sit somewhere between the Melbourne and Perth prices. Yes, Qantas would offer good connectivity to Europe etc via Singapore, but Singapore Airlines already does this (arguably better), and at what would be a similar price point. Jetstar flights to Singapore would democratise international travel to a whole range of destinations in a similar way as they already have with Bali.

Adelaide has a fair bit more than half the population of Perth. Adelaide is around 1.4 million and Perth around 2.3.

Well both qantas and jetstar are getting a321 XLR's soon, so we'll see what happens

[Saltwater]

It's a good point on Jetstar, and the 5/6 hour flight on an A321 would almost be bearable. As mentioned Jetstar Asia have tried to setup a hub at Changi, and if they could time it well for onward connections a one-stop, lower cost option to Penang, Langkawi and Phuket would be very appealing for the Adelaide market.

[rev]

It's a good point on Jetstar, and the 5/6 hour flight on an A321 would almost be bearable. As mentioned Jetstar Asia have tried to setup a hub at Changi, and if they could time it well for onward connections a one-stop, lower cost option to Penang, Langkawi and Phuket would be very appealing for the Adelaide market.

Or alternatively if a direct Tokyo flight isn't feasible for Adelaide, Jetstar Asia Adelaide-Singapore-Tokyo perhaps?

[VinyTapestry849]

The only problem for us is distance. Theres a reason gold coast got toyko flights (not any more though) and not Adelaide.

Simply geographical location, and aircraft constraints. This problem will hopefully be alleviated by new aircraft such as the A321 XLR.

However, these new aircraft will allow almost any destination to be connected to another destination in the asia pacific region, and with that, one has reason to believe that Qantas/Jetstar could pull out their usual South Australia discrimination card and just serve the eastern states and exclude us...

[VinyTapestry849]

It's a good point on Jetstar, and the 5/6 hour flight on an A321 would almost be bearable. As mentioned Jetstar Asia have tried to setup a hub at Changi, and if they could time it well for onward connections a one-stop, lower cost option to Penang, Langkawi and Phuket would be very appealing for the Adelaide market.

Or alternatively if a direct Tokyo flight isn't feasible for Adelaide, Jetstar Asia Adelaide-Singapore-Tokyo perhaps?

With advancements in aircraft technology, I don't think they'll bother with a hub. They'll probably just do direct services. By the time they get a proper hub working, Jetstar would have received all its new long range aircraft orders and can easily go direct to destinations. The hub probably wouldn't be used all that much.

For example Jetstar starts services to Phuket, Singapore, and Bangkok from Perth by the end of the year. Jetstar aren't bothering with a hub in this instance, nor do they use it much with east coast services which use dreamliners which don't need to stop.

[Saltwater]

If they had enough aircraft maybe, but the 20 x A321-Neo's on order won't stretch very far, and certainly won't mean Adelaide sees more than maybe one or two more routes.

[rev]

It's a good point on Jetstar, and the 5/6 hour flight on an A321 would almost be bearable. As mentioned Jetstar Asia have tried to setup a hub at Changi, and if they could time it well for onward connections a one-stop, lower cost option to Penang, Langkawi and Phuket would be very appealing for the Adelaide market.

Or alternatively if a direct Tokyo flight isn't feasible for Adelaide, Jetstar Asia Adelaide-Singapore-Tokyo perhaps?

With advancements in aircraft technology, I don't think they'll bother with a hub. They'll probably just do direct services. By the time they get a proper hub working, Jetstar would have received all its new long range aircraft orders and can easily go direct to destinations. The hub probably wouldn't be used all that much.

For example Jetstar starts services to Phuket, Singapore, and Bangkok from Perth by the end of the year. Jetstar aren't bothering with a hub in this instance, nor do they use it much with east coast services which use dreamliners which don't need to stop.

Aircraft advancements aside, the demand may not be there hence the stop over in Singapore or elsewhere.

[VinyTapestry849]

If they had enough aircraft maybe, but the 20 x A321-Neo's on order won't stretch very far, and certainly won't mean Adelaide sees more than maybe one or two more routes.

Between qantas and jetstar they'll have 40 A321 XLR's. So there's a lot that's possible. I agree though, won't be many new routes. Its not in their nature to care about South Australia.

[dbl96]

Or alternatively if a direct Tokyo flight isn't feasible for Adelaide, Jetstar Asia Adelaide-Singapore-Tokyo perhaps?

With advancements in aircraft technology, I don't think they'll bother with a hub. They'll probably just do direct services. By the time they get a proper hub working, Jetstar would have received all its new long range aircraft orders and can easily go direct to destinations. The hub probably wouldn't be used all that much.

For example Jetstar starts services to Phuket, Singapore, and Bangkok from Perth by the end of the year. Jetstar aren't bothering with a hub in this instance, nor do they use it much with east coast services which use dreamliners which don't need to stop.

Aircraft advancements aside, the demand may not be there hence the stop over in Singapore or elsewhere.

Jetstar/"Jetstar Asia" do already have a hub in Singapore and serve Osaka and Naha in Japan from there.

I agree that point to point would be nice, but regardless of the number of aircraft available, there simply won't be the demand to justify it on all routes. That's why the most important point-to-point connection we should aim for is the one connecting us to the biggest hub in the network (Singapore), because that allows us to access not only Singapore itself, but also all the other destinations (like Naha, for example), which are connected to Singapore, but to which Adelaide can never hope to have a direct connection. Prioritising a connection to the hub provides the biggest multiplier effects.

[JCK98]

If we're looking for a low cost hub and spoke airline in Singapore, I'd probably aim for Scoot. A lot more destinations and aircraft right now. Getting Air Asia (from KL) back would be another option.

[VinyTapestry849]

Getting Air Asia (from KL) back would be another option.

Can't, Malaysia airlines is too vulnerable to competitors. Also Singapore Airlines Corp. aren't going to send in scoot to such a small destination when they already have the flagship 'Singapore Airlines' serving the route. Not to mention Qantas will probably start operating the route again when they receive new aircraft, so there will be too much traffic on the route to warrant Scoot joning.

[dbl96]

Getting Air Asia (from KL) back would be another option.

Can't, Malaysia airlines is too vulnerable to competitors. Also Singapore Airlines Corp. aren't going to send in scoot to such a small destination when they already have the flagship 'Singapore Airlines' serving the route. Not to mention Qantas will probably start operating the route again when they receive new aircraft, so there will be too much traffic on the route to warrant Scoot joning.

I just don't really see the benefit to Adelaideans of Qantas restarting an Adelaide-Singapore service vs the other options discussed. Its not going to reduce prices, and it's not going to connect us to new destinations.

A low-cost connection to a hub in mainland Asia (or Singapore) would be a game-changer in terms of prices. Other than that, we should be pursuing connections to new destinations.

At this point I just don't see the practical advantage of prioritising Qantas international. Sure, there is a bit of prestige that would be restored to Adelaide by having international flights on the national carrier, but in practical terms the benefits aren't great when compared to the options we already have. We already have one-stop connections to a wider range of end point destinations in Europe and Asia via Singapore, Qatar, Malaysian and in future Emirates that what Qantas serves. And if you do want to fly with Qantas, ever since the direct Perth-London flights were launched, we have a one-stop connection to Europe on Qantas anyway. We have good access to Singapore itself with Singapore Airlines.

The other thing is that despite not connecting us to new destinations or reducing prices, international Qantas flights would suck up international travel demand out of Adelaide Airport, making it more difficult to justify the introduction of other services which would have greater benefit, as per your point about the unlikeliness of Scoot launching from Adelaide once Qantas restarts.

[Ho Really]

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Yet they have not been made available on Singapore's website beyond march next year, hoping its also rectified soon. Or perhaps singapore have made a backflip decision to stick with daily instead of 10, with the inevitable return of Cathay and China Southern. I highlight this only because Melbourne and Sydney are available to book a multitude of services past march, hence my concern.

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Officially the last SQ276 flight (to SIN) is Friday 28 March 2025. Beyond that nothing is confirmed. Just like the 6 weekly flights between 30 NOV and 19 JAN mentioned by AAL. I contacted SIA. They said keep checking our schedules for any updates as they can change for a variety of factors. So it is not confirmed or denied. However I lean towards those extra flights being confirmed. It will be a test run that will hopefully bring twice daily next year.

Cheers

Viny, still no 6 weekly SQ276/SQ277 flights on SIA's schedule. Would be good to know what the advanced bookings (load factors) are on SQ276/SQ277 for all those flights over the period 27 OCT-29 MAR that are currently on the schedule and if it will warrant those extra flights. I'm itching to book a flight on a day currently not available in JAN.

Cheers

[VinyTapestry849]

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Yet they have not been made available on Singapore's website beyond march next year, hoping its also rectified soon. Or perhaps singapore have made a backflip decision to stick with daily instead of 10, with the inevitable return of Cathay and China Southern. I highlight this only because Melbourne and Sydney are available to book a multitude of services past march, hence my concern.

[...]

Officially the last SQ276 flight (to SIN) is Friday 28 March 2025. Beyond that nothing is confirmed. Just like the 6 weekly flights between 30 NOV and 19 JAN mentioned by AAL. I contacted SIA. They said keep checking our schedules for any updates as they can change for a variety of factors. So it is not confirmed or denied. However I lean towards those extra flights being confirmed. It will be a test run that will hopefully bring twice daily next year.

Cheers

Viny, still no 6 weekly SQ276/SQ277 flights on SIA's schedule. Would be good to know what the advanced bookings (load factors) are on SQ276/SQ277 for all those flights over the period 27 OCT-29 MAR that are currently on the schedule and if it will warrant those extra flights. I'm itching to book a flight on a day currently not available in JAN.

Cheers

Wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen. Demand isn't exactly booming. What we do know is that there are double daily services throughout certain days in the summer holidays, that's all we know

[VinyTapestry849]

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