News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[[Shuz]]

What I find extraordinary is they're spending $10m on consultants to undertake a study whose outcomes are already known and the complex questions could literally be answered by at least 500+ rail experts / hobbyists / enthusiasts here, on Reddit & Railpage overnight, rather than take 2 years to conclude.

Trains are a popular niche for some reason.

[claybro]

What I find extraordinary is they're spending $10m on consultants to undertake a study whose outcomes are already known and the complex questions could literally be answered by at least 500+ rail experts / hobbyists / enthusiasts here, on Reddit & Railpage overnight, rather than take 2 years to conclude.

Trains are a popular niche for some reason.

A focus group would have told Labor they needed to throw a bone to the PT fraternity. The Port Dock extension was easy/ cheap and ready to go. Tick. Now the next rail project will be costly be it light or heavy rail, but they have to have something on the books so people think they are doing "something" in this field. Que ...an expensive and unnecessary report that shows a transport minister suddenly all concerned about rail, complete with press releases...nodding heads and all the while knowing full well he wont have to come up with any funds, except the $10 million pocket money and the Libs will have nothing anyway.

[Ho Really]

I'm confused as to the objective of the study? Are they looking at how best to improve coverage or ridership of the metropolitan system? It's odd to me that it does not appear to consider a city underground as an obvious potential catalyst.

Hopefully this latest study helps with identifying a CBD Loop.

ChillyPilly go for the whole hog. Have both OH-Belair and Gawler-Seaford go straight through the city using different paths. Remember the concepts I put forward a while back?
See: viewtopic.php?t=1327&hilit=Adelaide+met ... 50#p213766

Cheers

[Ho Really]

Couldn't they include in any study how to get rail along the east of the city?

If rumours are true that Magill Uni is to be turned into housing that's even more people using already busy roads (by rail i mean tram or train)

Build more 5,6,7,8 storey apartments along The Parade and go underground. Said it before.

Cheers

[abc]

Couldn't they include in any study how to get rail along the east of the city?

If rumours are true that Magill Uni is to be turned into housing that's even more people using already busy roads (by rail i mean tram or train)

Build more 5,6,7,8 storey apartments along The Parade and go underground. Said it before.

Cheers

that's a 100 year project, Adelaide is nowhere near ready for underground rail

[Waewick]

Couldn't they include in any study how to get rail along the east of the city?

If rumours are true that Magill Uni is to be turned into housing that's even more people using already busy roads (by rail i mean tram or train)

Build more 5,6,7,8 storey apartments along The Parade and go underground. Said it before.

Cheers

Would cut and cover be an option along one of the numerous under maintained roads?

I can't imagine the shops at the parade would be particularly happy about it there, just can't see tunneling being feasible.

[PeFe]

Even with 5 and 6 storey apartments on the Parade between Fullarton Rd and Portrush Rd buses could still do the transport job quite adequately.....make the Go Zone 10 minutes instead of 15 and as there is at least 2 (or is it 3?) buses that serve this section then the extra demand is easily accounted for. A bus every 3-5 minutes during the day...

Underground rail is only justified if every street in Norwood is converted to 5 storey apartments à la Paris.

[Waewick]

Even with 5 and 6 storey apartments on the Parade between Fullarton Rd and Portrush Rd buses could still do the transport job quite adequately.....make the Go Zone 10 minutes instead of 15 and as there is at least 2 (or is it 3?) buses that serve this section then the extra demand is easily accounted for. A bus every 3-5 minutes during the day...

Underground rail is only justified if every street in Norwood is converted to 5 storey apartments à la Paris.

The problem is how congested the roads are, Magill/the parade/Kensington and Greenhill seem to become busier and busier even out of peak hour, buses get stuck in the traffic.

If I want to bus to work now its over 30 minutes, even with traffic. I'm in well under that via car.

That needs to be flipped.

[abc]

Even with 5 and 6 storey apartments on the Parade between Fullarton Rd and Portrush Rd buses could still do the transport job quite adequately.....make the Go Zone 10 minutes instead of 15 and as there is at least 2 (or is it 3?) buses that serve this section then the extra demand is easily accounted for. A bus every 3-5 minutes during the day...

Underground rail is only justified if every street in Norwood is converted to 5 storey apartments à la Paris.

The problem is how congested the roads are, Magill/the parade/Kensington and Greenhill seem to become busier and busier even out of peak hour, buses get stuck in the traffic.

If I want to bus to work now its over 30 minutes, even with traffic. I'm in well under that via car.

That needs to be flipped.

"over 30 minutes"

you want a 20 billion dollar project because your commute is over 30 minutes

[abc]

For someone who asks about peoples level of education you come across as really really unintelligent

there you go again

Just pointing out the obvious.

Mind you, looks like I'm not the first to note your cognitive issues.

Hopefully you can let the thread stay on topic now

newsflash, buses stop at stops...that's what buses do

there's no business case for underground rail end of

[Waewick]

there you go again

Just pointing out the obvious.

Mind you, looks like I'm not the first to note your cognitive issues.

Hopefully you can let the thread stay on topic now

newsflash, buses stop at stops...that's what buses do

there's no business case for underground rail end of

Yes, they do.

The point is you need to get PT as fast as or at least equivalent too the alternative.

An underground rail might not be the way. But something needs to be

[RetroGamer87]

Another study?! And with comments like "we cant take the old line all the way back to Angaston because it is now a bikeway???? I'm not holding my breath for anything to come out of this.

The next study will conclude that another study is required.

[1NEEDS2POST]

What I find extraordinary is they're spending $10m on consultants to undertake a study whose outcomes are already known and the complex questions could literally be answered by at least 500+ rail experts / hobbyists / enthusiasts here, on Reddit & Railpage overnight, rather than take 2 years to conclude.

Trains are a popular niche for some reason.

A focus group would have told Labor they needed to throw a bone to the PT fraternity. The Port Dock extension was easy/ cheap and ready to go. Tick. Now the next rail project will be costly be it light or heavy rail, but they have to have something on the books so people think they are doing "something" in this field. Que ...an expensive and unnecessary report that shows a transport minister suddenly all concerned about rail, complete with press releases...nodding heads and all the while knowing full well he wont have to come up with any funds, except the $10 million pocket money and the Libs will have nothing anyway.

The next project should be standard gauge conversion. It's cheap because we have a lot of gauge convertible sleepers already laid and it's easier to do now than if we have a larger train network. Unfortunately most voters don't understand the problem, so it's not a vote winner and the can will be kicked down the road for another 170 years.

[Spotto]

The next project should be standard gauge conversion. It's cheap because we have a lot of gauge convertible sleepers already laid and it's easier to do now than if we have a larger train network. Unfortunately most voters don't understand the problem, so it's not a vote winner and the can will be kicked down the road for another 170 years.

I don’t think gauge conversion will bring the list of benefits people think it will for how much it will actually cost. The only sensible benefits are if services ever reach Mount Barker, Two Wells and beyond, then trains could use the current AdMet network then easily continue beyond.

Not to mention, moving the rails on straight track and re-gauging the trains is the easy part, all the junctions and points will also need to be re-fabricated and reconfigured, especially at Adelaide Yard. It’s no easy, or cheap, task.

The money could be better spent doing almost any other public transport project.

[dbl96]

What I find extraordinary is they're spending $10m on consultants to undertake a study whose outcomes are already known and the complex questions could literally be answered by at least 500+ rail experts / hobbyists / enthusiasts here, on Reddit & Railpage overnight, rather than take 2 years to conclude.

Trains are a popular niche for some reason.

A focus group would have told Labor they needed to throw a bone to the PT fraternity. The Port Dock extension was easy/ cheap and ready to go. Tick. Now the next rail project will be costly be it light or heavy rail, but they have to have something on the books so people think they are doing "something" in this field. Que ...an expensive and unnecessary report that shows a transport minister suddenly all concerned about rail, complete with press releases...nodding heads and all the while knowing full well he wont have to come up with any funds, except the $10 million pocket money and the Libs will have nothing anyway.

Light rail extensions are not expensive in the scheme of things. Unless they are gold-plated ones like Sydney’s.

Pre-covid, we built the most complex bit of our network (the ‘grand junction’) plus a kilometre of track along North Tce and King William for just under 100 million dollars. That’s a tenth to a 20th of the projected per km cost for south road. Obviously costs have risen since covid, but even so. For half a billion dollars (not even that much in todays money) you could easily build a whole new line servicing somewhere like Unley, Prospect or the Airport.

When it comes to tram network expansion and repairs, we should be looking to Melbourne for expertise rather than expensive multinational consultants.