News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

[rubberman]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

[Waewick]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

[abc]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

you do realise they burn wood and use hydroelectricity in massive amounts

which mountain stream do you suggest we get hydro electricity from in SA? Which forest do you suggest we chop down for firewood?

[rubberman]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

It's on the worse end of the scale.

[Waewick]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

you do realise they burn wood and use hydroelectricity in massive amounts

which mountain stream do you suggest we get hydro electricity from in SA? Which forest do you suggest we chop down for firewood?

It's like reading a post from a year 7 year book

[Waewick]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

It's on the worse end of the scale.

Thanks I was just making sure i understood the formatting.

It's interesting seeing the prices around the place, thanks for posting.

I know in Australia we are seeing low wholesale but it isn't translating to retail prices yet

[abc]

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

you do realise they burn wood and use hydroelectricity in massive amounts

which mountain stream do you suggest we get hydro electricity from in SA? Which forest do you suggest we chop down for firewood?

It's like reading a post from a year 7 year book

there you go again

the reality
https://www.eia.gov/State/?sid=VT#:~:te ... er%20state.

[Waewick]

you do realise they burn wood and use hydroelectricity in massive amounts

which mountain stream do you suggest we get hydro electricity from in SA? Which forest do you suggest we chop down for firewood?

It's like reading a post from a year 7 year book

there you go again

the reality
https://www.eia.gov/State/?sid=VT#:~:te ... er%20state.

I wasn't commenting on vermont

More Your child like style of posting

[rev]

You all need to grow up, if you can't communicate without shit posting at each other, just block each other and stop trying to have the last say.

[Waewick]

You all need to grow up, if you can't communicate without shit posting at each other, just block each other and stop trying to have the last say.

You killjoy

[SouthAussie94]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

Just to confirm:

Renewable Rank is how the states compare to each other? ie Rank 1 gets more energy from renewables than Rank 10?

Price rank is the price of energy in the state? Rank 1 is the best (ie: cheapest), Rank 50 is the worst (more expensive)

That's the correct interpretation?

[rubberman]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

Just to confirm:

Renewable Rank is how the states compare to each other? ie Rank 1 gets more energy from renewables than Rank 10?

Price rank is the price of energy in the state? Rank 1 is the best (ie: cheapest), Rank 50 is the worst (more expensive)

That's the correct interpretation?

Yup. The higher the price, the greater the rank number.

[SBD]

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

Just to confirm:

Renewable Rank is how the states compare to each other? ie Rank 1 gets more energy from renewables than Rank 10?

Price rank is the price of energy in the state? Rank 1 is the best (ie: cheapest), Rank 50 is the worst (more expensive)

That's the correct interpretation?

Yup. The higher the price, the greater the rank number.

So depending which "side" I want to push, the ten states with the highest use of renewable electricity include:

• The 45th and 41st most expensive states
• The 4th, 5th, 8th and 9th states with the cheapest electricity

This data doesn't contain info on the mix of renewable types, nor what alternative sources there are. Maine and Vermont (the two most expensive) are relatively small states in the northeast. The states with lower prices in this list tend to be larger and flatter.

[abc]

Vermont = hydro + wood

[PeFe]

What...I mean WHAT has this got to do with South Australia?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.