News & Discussion: Other Transport Projects

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In 1836, a port was essential for a remote new colony. The river was barely navigable all year round before the barrages were installed.

Having said that, Governor Hindmarsh preferred Victor Harbor. That would have sufficed till it ran out of space and water, by which time rail technology would have been sufficiently developed to make connections to Murray Bridge...and Melbourne quite feasible. That would have left the Adelaide Plains, the most fertile in the State, to serve as the food bowl, rather than being built upon and thus lost to agriculture.

It also would have meant rail access to the East and North would have been much faster and easier, along with access to the River Murray for drinking etc, and transport in the early days.

Quite an interesting "what if".

Wow never knew that.
I've pondered the "what if Adelaide was in X place instead"..Goolwa/Hindmarsh island out towards Finnis, Currency Creek, Milang and Clayton Bay..
Dredged the waterways, a CBD located where Goolwa North is, the City spilling across onto the western point of Hindmarsh Island with high rise apartments...Lake Alexandrina and the beaches of the Coorong on our door step..towns dotted around the shore of the lake.

Very interesting to speculate. I just had a look at a map of the area, and assuming the CBD is where Goolwa North is now (and assuming Adelaide is about the same size as it currently is), we would have shoreline and water frontage exceeding that of Sydney Harbour. Adelaide would be a vastly different city to what it is now.

good luck getting ships through the Murray mouth

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Wow never knew that.
I've pondered the "what if Adelaide was in X place instead"..Goolwa/Hindmarsh island out towards Finnis, Currency Creek, Milang and Clayton Bay..
Dredged the waterways, a CBD located where Goolwa North is, the City spilling across onto the western point of Hindmarsh Island with high rise apartments...Lake Alexandrina and the beaches of the Coorong on our door step..towns dotted around the shore of the lake.

Many other places don't have just one huge city that draws everyone in. Various planning policies at times over the last 200 years have led to that situation here. We could have had large cities separate from Adelaide at Mount Gambier, Renmark/Berri, Murray Bridge/Monarto, Elizabeth, Port Pirie, Whyalla, Port Lincoln. They could all have fast regional rail for both passengers and freight between the cities (including Adelaide). Most of them could be large enough to have a multidiscipline campus of a university, a range of industry to provide a viable diversity of employment etc. Instead, we have concentrated everything on a large sprawling Adelaide and drained much of the urban vibrancy from most of the others.

All well in theory.
But in reality even if Adelaide was located at Victor Harbor or Port Lincoln or wherever, most likely it would have just sprawled and become one dominant city in SA anyway. Look at the other state capitals in Aus, they’ve become the dominant city in their respective states.

Melbourne has sprawled to pick up lots of places that used to be separate towns, just like Adelaide. Victoria also has Geelong, Bendigo, Ballarat, Shepparton, Mildura, Morwell that seem to offer a fuller experience than Whyalla, Port Lincoln, Mount Gambier, Murray Bridge, Port Pirie. Victoria's towns have regional ail for passengers and I think freight too.

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It's good that Adelaide's CBD is not on the coast because it means people can live closer to the CBD. This is because people can live in all directions around the CBD, so it's like a circle. Coastal CBDs force the population to live in a semi-circle, which is a larger radius for the same population.

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New $6m upgrade to ease traffic bottlenecks at intersection of Adam and Manton streets, Hindmarsh
An extra lane will be added to ease traffic congestion at a notorious pressure point on the outskirts of the CBD. See the flyover animation of the project.

Shashi Baltutis
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less than 2 min read
July 4, 2024 - 11:04AM


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A $6m project has been announced to ease city-bound traffic in an area “notorious” for build-up.

The east-west bottleneck will be widened with a second left turn lane from Manton St into Adam St at Hindmarsh.


An extra turning lane will be added from Manton St into Adam St to provide additional capacity for city-bound traffic. Picture: Supplied


Artist impression of the Manton St and Adam St intersection upgrade at Hindmarsh.

A new animation has been revealed which illustrates the easing of traffic in the area adjacent to the Entertainment Centre.

The project will provide safer an easier access to the sports and entertainment hub including Hindmarsh Stadium.

The right-hand turn from Manton St onto Adam St to allow access to the Hindmarsh precinct will be retained in the project.


An extra turning lane will be added from Manton St into Adam St to provide additional capacity for city-bound traffic. Picture: Supplied


How the upgraded intersection will look from the ground.

Infrastructure and Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis said the project is “a welcome addition for western suburbs motorists”.

“It will reduce congestion and traffic flow restrictions by providing additional capacity for city bound traffic – alleviating a notorious bottleneck,” Mr Koutsantonis said.

“These network upgrades will ensure the proper functioning of the River Torrens to Darlington motorway and wider road network both during and after construction … of the project.”

Bardavcol, a South Australian company which has worked on projects such as the Flagstaff Rd upgrade, will deliver the upgrade at Hindmarsh.

Works are set to commence within weeks with completion scheduled for early next year.

About 30 jobs will be supported during construction.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 327fcca1fe

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To think maybe the current Murray Bridge area should have been used for site of Adelaide

In 1836, a port was essential for a remote new colony. The river was barely navigable all year round before the barrages were installed.

Having said that, Governor Hindmarsh preferred Victor Harbor. That would have sufficed till it ran out of space and water, by which time rail technology would have been sufficiently developed to make connections to Murray Bridge...and Melbourne quite feasible. That would have left the Adelaide Plains, the most fertile in the State, to serve as the food bowl, rather than being built upon and thus lost to agriculture.

It also would have meant rail access to the East and North would have been much faster and easier, along with access to the River Murray for drinking etc, and transport in the early days.

Quite an interesting "what if".

So, would it actually have been better than what we have now?

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New $6m upgrade to ease traffic bottlenecks at intersection of Adam and Manton streets, Hindmarsh
An extra lane will be added to ease traffic congestion at a notorious pressure point on the outskirts of the CBD. See the flyover animation of the project.

Shashi Baltutis
Reporter

less than 2 min read
July 4, 2024 - 11:04AM


Don't miss out on the headlines from SA News. Followed categories will be added to My News.

A $6m project has been announced to ease city-bound traffic in an area “notorious” for build-up.

The east-west bottleneck will be widened with a second left turn lane from Manton St into Adam St at Hindmarsh.


An extra turning lane will be added from Manton St into Adam St to provide additional capacity for city-bound traffic. Picture: Supplied


Artist impression of the Manton St and Adam St intersection upgrade at Hindmarsh.

A new animation has been revealed which illustrates the easing of traffic in the area adjacent to the Entertainment Centre.

The project will provide safer an easier access to the sports and entertainment hub including Hindmarsh Stadium.

The right-hand turn from Manton St onto Adam St to allow access to the Hindmarsh precinct will be retained in the project.


An extra turning lane will be added from Manton St into Adam St to provide additional capacity for city-bound traffic. Picture: Supplied


How the upgraded intersection will look from the ground.

Infrastructure and Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis said the project is “a welcome addition for western suburbs motorists”.

“It will reduce congestion and traffic flow restrictions by providing additional capacity for city bound traffic – alleviating a notorious bottleneck,” Mr Koutsantonis said.

“These network upgrades will ensure the proper functioning of the River Torrens to Darlington motorway and wider road network both during and after construction … of the project.”

Bardavcol, a South Australian company which has worked on projects such as the Flagstaff Rd upgrade, will deliver the upgrade at Hindmarsh.

Works are set to commence within weeks with completion scheduled for early next year.

About 30 jobs will be supported during construction.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 327fcca1fe

Some simple improvements to cycling in this layout would make a phenomenal difference.

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It's a great improvement on what it currently is, however it still doesn't resolve the issue that most of the morning peak hour traffic coming in along Grange Road / Manton Street ends up turning right onto Port Road.

There's still a bottleneck just a tad further up the road along Adam Street where traffic coming from the two "Grange Road" lanes end up crossing over the two straight lanes (destined for the ring route) still need to cross over into the turning lanes for Port Road. Sometimes if the peak hour is that bad, traffic builds up on the middle lane, blocking the traffic who need to get onto the ring route.

There's a solution, but it'd probably add another $15m on the price tag.

The westbound Grange Road traffic gets slightly rerouted through the carpark adjacent to the river. The eastbound Manton Street traffic gets an additional 2 lanes turning traffic for those heading onto Port Road that starts before the Adam Street intersection. That way the divergence is sorted out before the conflict point.