News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

[Spurdo]

Renewables isn't the first debate where someone sought higher ground by declaring the opposing view ideological.

The idea that renewables is "left" reflects a certain degree of sheltering and kind of disconnect with how the world has evolved and also a certain degree lack of understanding of the world as it was.

Renewables receive subsidies and government money, yes.

So did/does the coal/gas/petro/nuclear industries. They all to varying degrees rely on that. The latter 100% can't exist without it.

If the carbon economy does it, it's capitalism and if it's the renewables, hammer and sickle, right? That's what the world is like through the Rupert lense.

No. Renewables are the modern day bleeding edge of capitalism. The world has moved on.

I think part of the renewables=left thing has something to do with the Malthusian/degrowth leanings of a number of renewables advocates. Such as during the energy crisis in 2016, when the Portland Aluminium Smelter had its Potlines freeze over, a popular narrative being pushed by certain people seemed to be “if the smelting industry needs baseload power, then it is incompatible with a renewable future and should be shut down”. This sort of attitude is likely why many people are not in favour of intermittent renewable energy.

[Algernon]

Renewables isn't the first debate where someone sought higher ground by declaring the opposing view ideological.

The idea that renewables is "left" reflects a certain degree of sheltering and kind of disconnect with how the world has evolved and also a certain degree lack of understanding of the world as it was.

Renewables receive subsidies and government money, yes.

So did/does the coal/gas/petro/nuclear industries. They all to varying degrees rely on that. The latter 100% can't exist without it.

If the carbon economy does it, it's capitalism and if it's the renewables, hammer and sickle, right? That's what the world is like through the Rupert lense.

No. Renewables are the modern day bleeding edge of capitalism. The world has moved on.

I think part of the renewables=left thing has something to do with the Malthusian/degrowth leanings of a number of renewables advocates. Such as during the energy crisis in 2016, when the Portland Aluminium Smelter had its Potlines freeze over, a popular narrative being pushed by certain people seemed to be “if the smelting industry needs baseload power, then it is incompatible with a renewable future and should be shut down”. This sort of attitude is likely why many people are not in favour of intermittent renewable energy.

I mean, anyone who opposes renewables is up for portraying the industry in any way they think discredits it the most, right? I mean, those "Just Stop Oil" knobs are a perfect strawman for example. Or we can say it's Elon who is stealing from tax payers. Or it's Choyna extracting huge scale efficiencies from making solar panels........ oh sorry, "dumping" "cheap" solar panels on the market. Or it's communism because when we call a lefty a communist, it makes perfect sense like "ATM machine".

[abc]

Nah its just gullible people and gullible people are usually found in greater numbers on the left side of politics hence the correlation aspect.
At the end of the day they're being taken for a ride by very wealthy people.

[mattblack]

Nah its just gullible people and gullible people are usually found in greater numbers on the left side of politics hence the correlation aspect.
At the end of the day they're being taken for a ride by very wealthy people.

Seriously, please stop! I'm going to split a spleen laughing . Gullible people found in greater numbers on the left! Yes, another thought provoking, evidence based comment that you bring to the energy debate. QAnon supporters. Radical right. Gulible. I could keep going but need to go to emergcy and get my spleen looked at.

[Waewick]

Nah its just gullible people and gullible people are usually found in greater numbers on the left side of politics hence the correlation aspect.
At the end of the day they're being taken for a ride by very wealthy people.

Seriously, please stop! I'm going to split a spleen laughing . Gullible people found in greater numbers on the left! Yes, another thought provoking, evidence based comment that you bring to the energy debate. QAnon supporters. Radical right. Gulible. I could keep going but need to go to emergcy and get my spleen looked at.

There needs to be a separate thread, but there is noted global trend at the moment that the less educated you are, the more likely you are now to vote 'conservative'

Its impacting ask sorts of issues because we now have political parties mimicing some of the anti science stuff we read here to get votes.

Makes the orderly transition to modern electricity infrastructure very difficult.

[abc]

case in point^

[Waewick]

case in point^

For some ŕeason the ignore function doesn't work with you. I'll try again.

But you can tell by how no one takes your seriously here as to what people think of your self proclaimed education levels.

[abc]

case in point^

For some ŕeason the ignore function doesn't work with you. I'll try again.

But you can tell by how no one takes your seriously here as to what people think of your self proclaimed education levels.

there you go again leveling insults

you have no formal education in any field of science and yet you marginalise others as anti science

given you take 'the science' in complete faith one can only assume you're a religious zealot and your religion is scientism

[Algernon]

Can people please stop engaging with him so we can have somewhere to talk about one of South Australia's stand out industries?

[Waewick]

Can people please stop engaging with him so we can have somewhere to talk about one of South Australia's stand out industries?

Sorry, ive put on ignore multiple times.

Hopefully it works this time.

[abc]

first they ignore you da da da da da then you win

[rubberman]

https://reneweconomy.com.au/local-counc ... -site/amp/

Another gigawatt scale battery approved.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/green-tick- ... -farm/amp/

Acciona seeking environmental approval for a 1 GW wind farm.

At this rate, there's not going to be much left for nuclear.

Unless he hurries, Dutton's plans may end up like his mate Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, who built a nuclear plant at Bataan in the 1970s, with the usual graft and corruption, and which has never produced a single Watt hour of energy.

[Waewick]

https://reneweconomy.com.au/local-counc ... -site/amp/

Another gigawatt scale battery approved.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/green-tick- ... -farm/amp/

Acciona seeking environmental approval for a 1 GW wind farm.

At this rate, there's not going to be much left for nuclear.

Unless he hurries, Dutton's plans may end up like his mate Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, who built a nuclear plant at Bataan in the 1970s, with the usual graft and corruption, and which has never produced a single Watt hour of energy.

The expansion of batteries is going to be key.

Its interesting that article talks about the battle of the biggest wind farms as well talking about being able to farm under them and regenerate native vegetation.

I think the next fight will be when Wind farms inevitably improve and need less space.

[abc]

https://reneweconomy.com.au/local-counc ... -site/amp/

Another gigawatt scale battery approved.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/green-tick- ... -farm/amp/

Acciona seeking environmental approval for a 1 GW wind farm.

At this rate, there's not going to be much left for nuclear.

Unless he hurries, Dutton's plans may end up like his mate Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, who built a nuclear plant at Bataan in the 1970s, with the usual graft and corruption, and which has never produced a single Watt hour of energy.

The expansion of batteries is going to be key.

Its interesting that article talks about the battle of the biggest wind farms as well talking about being able to farm under them and regenerate native vegetation.

I think the next fight will be when Wind farms inevitably improve and need less space.

fertilising the ground with all the dead birds

[rubberman]

https://reneweconomy.com.au/local-counc ... -site/amp/

Another gigawatt scale battery approved.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/green-tick- ... -farm/amp/

Acciona seeking environmental approval for a 1 GW wind farm.

At this rate, there's not going to be much left for nuclear.

Unless he hurries, Dutton's plans may end up like his mate Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, who built a nuclear plant at Bataan in the 1970s, with the usual graft and corruption, and which has never produced a single Watt hour of energy.

The expansion of batteries is going to be key.

Its interesting that article talks about the battle of the biggest wind farms as well talking about being able to farm under them and regenerate native vegetation.

I think the next fight will be when Wind farms inevitably improve and need less space.

Agree. Last year, 2.5 gWH of storage was added to the system. However, that's a big ramp up from 2021 where almost all storage was for system stability, not replacing other sources over time. The real question impacting this is whether storage prices and efficiency keeps increasing at current rates.