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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2056 Post by rubberman » Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:32 am

abc wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:50 am
rubberman wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:50 pm
abc wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:35 pm


a geologist is a scientist and more qualified than a climatologist

I think I have more standing than you on this.
Another unsupported opinion. I'll just add it to the list. By the way, Stanford University disagrees with you. Who to believe? Who has more standing?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/clim ... ver%20time.

https://www.britannica.com/science/climatology
not only do you lack any credentials in science you also lack any ability in comprehension
I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe. This is beyond parody. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

:banana: :hilarious:

Back to infrastructure. Meanwhile in 2023 about 6GW of renewable capacity was added, with the same approved for 2024. This year, the CEOs of AEMO and AGL said nuclear wasn't going to happen. The dates of 2027-2028 as decommissioning for Eraring, Callide B, Yallourn, and Collie coal stations have been confirmed. Liddell closed 2023.

The important thing to note is that since those coal stations have been listed for decommissioning, it's almost certain that long term maintenance has ceased already. So, even if there were to be a policy reversal by government, those plants will have been without long term maintenance for a considerable time, with the consequence that attempts to extend their lives without shutting them down anyway is likely futile.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2057 Post by rubberman » Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:49 am

abc wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:33 am
rubberman wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:32 am
abc wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:50 am


not only do you lack any credentials in science you also lack any ability in comprehension
I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe.
keep doing that then

Fun fact. On the 6GW per year figure for renewables commissioning, a day of these arguments would see, on average, an extra 16MW of renewables added to the system. Every single day this year on average.

SA is increasing its percentage of renewable energy past 70%, while maintaining wholesale prices round the average of the other states.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2058 Post by rubberman » Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:54 am

Waewick wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:36 am
Imagine telling someone to stop breathing because they embarrassed you on an anonymous internet chat board.
Don't worry. At the rate renewables are being commissioned in Australia, between our two posts, there was about 1.5MW of renewable power capacity added to the grid.

I'll take that.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2059 Post by Waewick » Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:56 am

rubberman wrote:
Waewick wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:36 am
Imagine telling someone to stop breathing because they embarrassed you on an anonymous internet chat board.
Don't worry. At the rate renewables are being commissioned in Australia, between our two posts, there was about 1.5MW of renewable power capacity added to the grid.

I'll take that.
The pace is staggering, probably not fast enough.

But atleast we are doing something

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2060 Post by Algernon » Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:49 am

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2061 Post by Waewick » Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:46 pm

https://www.theage.com.au/environment/c ... 5klx1.html

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Professor Mark Winfield, an academic from York University in Canada who specialises in energy and environment, on Monday said the reaction among people in Ontario to the comparison had ranged from disbelief to “you couldn’t make this up”.
Probably the nuclear friendly comment on the article

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2062 Post by abc » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:29 pm

Waewick wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:46 pm
https://www.theage.com.au/environment/c ... 5klx1.html

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Professor Mark Winfield, an academic from York University in Canada who specialises in energy and environment, on Monday said the reaction among people in Ontario to the comparison had ranged from disbelief to “you couldn’t make this up”.
Probably the nuclear friendly comment on the article
meanwhile the cost per kilowatt in Ontario is about 10 cents

and Mark Winfield is a 'Professor' of Environmental and Urban Change :lol: :hilarious:
tired of low IQ hacks

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2063 Post by PeFe » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:19 pm

abc wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:29 pm
Waewick wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:46 pm
https://www.theage.com.au/environment/c ... 5klx1.html

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Professor Mark Winfield, an academic from York University in Canada who specialises in energy and environment, on Monday said the reaction among people in Ontario to the comparison had ranged from disbelief to “you couldn’t make this up”.
Probably the nuclear friendly comment on the article
meanwhile the cost per kilowatt in Ontario is about 10 cents

and Mark Winfield is a 'Professor' of Environmental and Urban Change :lol: :hilarious:
Ontario subsidises it's electricity by 8 billion Canadian Dollars per year.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... da-ontario

Ontario is building a small nuclear reactor (300mw) at the moment. The Ontario government refuses to reveal the cost....it literally is hiding the cost from Canadian taxpayers.

Ontario built the majority of their nuclear reactors in the 1970;s and 80's and have spent billions refurbishing them.

If Australia builds nuclear it wil have to pay 2028/2030 prices....not 1970's Canadian prices.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2064 Post by abc » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:25 pm

PeFe wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:19 pm
abc wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:29 pm
Waewick wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:46 pm
https://www.theage.com.au/environment/c ... 5klx1.html

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Professor Mark Winfield, an academic from York University in Canada who specialises in energy and environment, on Monday said the reaction among people in Ontario to the comparison had ranged from disbelief to “you couldn’t make this up”.
Probably the nuclear friendly comment on the article
meanwhile the cost per kilowatt in Ontario is about 10 cents

and Mark Winfield is a 'Professor' of Environmental and Urban Change :lol: :hilarious:
Ontario subsidises it's electricity by 8 billion Canadian Dollars per year.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... da-ontario

Ontario is building a small nuclear reactor (300mw) at the moment. The Ontario government refuses to reveal the cost....it literally is hiding the cost from Canadian taxpayers.

Ontario built the majority of their nuclear reactors in the 1970;s and 80's and have spent billions refurbishing them.

If Australia builds nuclear it wil have to pay 2028/2030 prices....not 1970's Canadian prices.
The Australian government also subsidises energy however 'clean' energy prices in SA are still 4x as much as Ontario

using a link from a slanted 'Guardian' article written by a propagandist to justify your position though is new levels
tired of low IQ hacks

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2065 Post by PeFe » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:34 pm

Well tell me the cost of the small Canadian reactor then?

It's all very easy to say "You post bias sources" but you don't post anything beyond dodgy YouTube videos....

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#2066 Post by Algernon » Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:30 pm

PeFe wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:34 pm
Well tell me the cost of the small Canadian reactor then?

It's all very easy to say "You post bias sources" but you don't post anything beyond dodgy YouTube videos....
Can't tell you the cost of something being intentionally hidden.

Can tell you the cost of something else though.

https://committees.parliament.uk/commit ... -taxpayer/

132 billion pounds to decommission nuclear sites in UK. And 120 years. All of that spent after the power was generated.

Who pays for it? Sure as fuck not the generation that used the power.

It's paid for by 4 generations after.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2067 Post by Algernon » Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:55 pm

PeFe wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:19 pm
Ontario subsidises it's electricity by 8 billion Canadian Dollars per year.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... da-ontario

Ontario is building a small nuclear reactor (300mw) at the moment. The Ontario government refuses to reveal the cost....it literally is hiding the cost from Canadian taxpayers.

Ontario built the majority of their nuclear reactors in the 1970;s and 80's and have spent billions refurbishing them.

If Australia builds nuclear it wil have to pay 2028/2030 prices....not 1970's Canadian prices.
The question of how the liberals will hide the costs of nuclear power is a good thought exercise. Let's try it. But first let's make a couple of basic assumptions:

1. Let's assume we are dumb enough to believe they intend to build nuclear power and that this is not just an attempt to prolong coal for another 20 years and let their 65+ constituents squeeze the planet for the last bit of profit.

2. Let's give them free kick of the century and assume they build it on time and not factor in delays and overruns. That's one massive free kick, but they'll need it.

3. Let's give them another free kick. Fuck it, a penatly kick. And no goal keeper. Let's say Australia, with no experience whatsoever, will build it for the same price as an experienced country. Let's go with Hinkley Point C U/C in UK. 42 billion GBP for 3,200MW. Something that can power roughly 1/7 of the NEM. Except that rooftop solar basically powers the NEM during the day anyway. But anyway. About 84 billion AUD.

How will the Liberals pay for it and make it look cheaper than solar and wind?

1. Most importantly, it needs to be funded in a way that the costs sunk into it can't in anyway be actually connected to a bill paid for by a consumer.

2. It needs to be funded by the government but kept off the federal budget. LOL. Imagine a Liberal government (or Labor for that matter) trying to look good by not running budget surpluses? Don't make my laugh.

3. It needs to give the chosen generation another chance to squeeze everyone else to keep their voting constituency happy.

So, this is the formula for doing it:

They'll fund it with bonds. They'll give it a lame, sorry arsed excuse for a name to make people proud of them. Building True Blue Australia Bonds or something like that. The money from the bonds will sink into a bottomless pit but dressed up for "mum and pop" like an investment. To make it look like it's even better, they'll pay well overs on the interest, because we're already wasting another generation's money, what's an extra 4% interest on top of that? Mom and pop will be laughing at everyone collecting their interest on them, bragging about how their generation was the only one that understood other people's money.

Over the life of the industry, every subsidy in the book will be thrown at nuclear to keep the price as low as possible. It'll be the Greens fault.

And when they're decomissioned by a later generation, the cost won't matter, because the greedy generation will be long gone and never made accountable for it in their lifetimes.

Thank god they don't actually intend on building nuclear.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2068 Post by abc » Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:08 pm

PeFe wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:34 pm
Well tell me the cost of the small Canadian reactor then?

It's all very easy to say "You post bias sources" but you don't post anything beyond dodgy YouTube videos....
just lie then
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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2069 Post by rubberman » Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:56 pm

PeFe wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:34 pm
Well tell me the cost of the small Canadian reactor then?

It's all very easy to say "You post bias sources" but you don't post anything beyond dodgy YouTube videos....
I don't recommend getting drawn down the rabbit hole. It's not as if anyone genuinely interested in finding out the truth is going to be convinced by those videos.

There's literally zero evidence that nuclear is remotely practical in Australia at the moment, nor that it could be delivered in any time frame or price that makes sense.

If the CSIRO, head of AEMO, AGL, etc aren't going to convince them, then it's probably futile engaging.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#2070 Post by Algernon » Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:43 pm

rubberman wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:56 pm
PeFe wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:34 pm
Well tell me the cost of the small Canadian reactor then?

It's all very easy to say "You post bias sources" but you don't post anything beyond dodgy YouTube videos....
I don't recommend getting drawn down the rabbit hole. It's not as if anyone genuinely interested in finding out the truth is going to be convinced by those videos.

There's literally zero evidence that nuclear is remotely practical in Australia at the moment, nor that it could be delivered in any time frame or price that makes sense.

If the CSIRO, head of AEMO, AGL, etc aren't going to convince them, then it's probably futile engaging.
But in a rare show of transparency, Rupert stopped hiding behind his masthead and have others report his opinion. He actually sat down and let his own newspaper interview him and he explained the lights will go out.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation ... f8be89dba3

Isn't this the only scientician we ever need to listen to?

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