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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3361 Post by rubberman » Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:07 pm

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The view will be completely blocked by 2035 with terminal expansion. There will be no windows.
Wait, which view? The current or Level 4? Level 4 is technically the roof/tarmac control centre cabin.
All the windows in the entire Qantas club precinct will be blocked when the terminal is eventually expand in the future. Everything. It will be windowless. I imagine they probably will install like a skylight and an out outdoor barbecue with a skylight there like they’ve done at the Perth International Lounge to allow people to breathe a bit.
As long as that doesn't happen in the next ten years, it doesn't matter to the Qantas Club. By that time, it'll be time for another refurbishment, and Qantas could move.

Obviously, it would be an economic decision, but it's by no means inevitable that the Qantas Club or Business Lounge would lose views. Heck, they might even improve, depending on the deal that Qantas and the airport negotiated.

Just as a general note, airline lounges face increased challenges nowadays. Twenty years ago, airport retail, eating and views were very ordinary, so Qantas, Ansett, Virgin lounges were a good cut above normal airport options. Now, the variety of foods, retail, seating have improved so much that there's not that much benefit in those lounges anymore. Indeed, the Melbourne Qantas Club is frankly inferior to the airport. I'll have a coffee, some drinks, and then eat elsewhere where the food is better, and so is the view. This means that airlines have to keep improving their lounges. The Qantas Club in Adelaide looks like a good start.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3362 Post by Ho Really » Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:11 pm

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Just as a general note, airline lounges face increased challenges nowadays. Twenty years ago, airport retail, eating and views were very ordinary, so Qantas, Ansett, Virgin lounges were a good cut above normal airport options. Now, the variety of foods, retail, seating have improved so much that there's not that much benefit in those lounges anymore. Indeed, the Melbourne Qantas Club is frankly inferior to the airport. I'll have a coffee, some drinks, and then eat elsewhere where the food is better, and so is the view. This means that airlines have to keep improving their lounges. The Qantas Club in Adelaide looks like a good start.
These lounges are primarily for status, something for those of us who have it to flaunt it (with a partner on the same flight of course). For some others it's where some work can be done in relative peace. Lounges in general aren't known for the dining experience, unfortunately. Although there are some worldwide that do this well. As you allude to rubberman, one can save money on the airfare and spend it wisely on good food and relaxation pre-flight. Just shop around. That's good thinking.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3363 Post by Ho Really » Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:23 pm

Are we getting short-changed by Singapore Airlines? No, not by the number of flights they are currently offering (10-times a week) which is better than daily, but their on time performance. It seems many flights out of Changi are departing late, arriving late here and further delays on the return flight. Sunday was testament to this with SQ277 arriving hours late and SQ276 departing just before curfew (and arriving at approximately 02:45 at Changi). Hopefully many were compensated. Don't know why this huge delay. I can only assume there was a problem with the plane. Anyhow...

In late October I came back from Singapore and our plane wasn't at the gate but coming from Bangkok. One of the many 787s flying MH. It was an hour late and had to be turned around in less than an hour. Our flight overnight (SQ279) arrived in Adelaide about an hour late. Lucky flight time was close to 6 hours or it could have been worse. Not a big deal unless those on SQ278 returning to Changi had a connecting flight (mostly SE Asia-Asia).

I know Adelaide is not the biggest priority for many airlines. Look at Cathay Pacific which has delayed returning here until late 2025. Lucky China Southern is back in a few days (Wednesday) and great to see Emirates back into the groove. As for Emirates and Qatar it seems their OTP is reasonably good. I haven't had the chance to talk or write to anyone at SIA. I was hoping to see them while in Singapore but they weren't present at ITB Asia. I get the impression Adelaide is not the priority it deserves to be (as we've been very loyal to SIA over the years). I can only put it down to their scheduling of the MH fleet. Very tight turnarounds with planes coming from all over SE Asia, India, Philippines, S. Korea and Japan, etc. puts us in a bind. Would be good if they had an extra plane sitting there for us just in situations like this. Of course that would not happen. A plane sitting on the tarmac is money lost.

Has anyone experienced any issues like this with SQ?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3364 Post by AG » Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:00 pm

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Are we getting short-changed by Singapore Airlines? No, not by the number of flights they are currently offering (10-times a week) which is better than daily, but their on time performance. It seems many flights out of Changi are departing late, arriving late here and further delays on the return flight. Sunday was testament to this with SQ277 arriving hours late and SQ276 departing just before curfew (and arriving at approximately 02:45 at Changi). Hopefully many were compensated. Don't know why this huge delay. I can only assume there was a problem with the plane. Anyhow...

In late October I came back from Singapore and our plane wasn't at the gate but coming from Bangkok. One of the many 787s flying MH. It was an hour late and had to be turned around in less than an hour. Our flight overnight (SQ279) arrived in Adelaide about an hour late. Lucky flight time was close to 6 hours or it could have been worse. Not a big deal unless those on SQ278 returning to Changi had a connecting flight (mostly SE Asia-Asia).

I know Adelaide is not the biggest priority for many airlines. Look at Cathay Pacific which has delayed returning here until late 2025. Lucky China Southern is back in a few days (Wednesday) and great to see Emirates back into the groove. As for Emirates and Qatar it seems their OTP is reasonably good. I haven't had the chance to talk or write to anyone at SIA. I was hoping to see them while in Singapore but they weren't present at ITB Asia. I get the impression Adelaide is not the priority it deserves to be (as we've been very loyal to SIA over the years). I can only put it down to their scheduling of the MH fleet. Very tight turnarounds with planes coming from all over SE Asia, India, Philippines, S. Korea and Japan, etc. puts us in a bind. Would be good if they had an extra plane sitting there for us just in situations like this. Of course that would not happen. A plane sitting on the tarmac is money lost.

Has anyone experienced any issues like this with SQ?

Cheers
I have had issues travelling in and out of Singapore generally over the past two years. The runways have all been shifted around and there is a lot more taxiing to and from the terminals now required, related to the construction of T5 and the third runway. Suspect it's not an SIA specific issue, but Singapore generally.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3365 Post by Ho Really » Mon Dec 09, 2024 10:58 pm

Weather is always an issue at Changi. A passing electrical storm stops everything and causes delays. It has happened to me a few times late at night and not just flying back to ADL.

Anyhow since SIA are still celebrating their 40 years of flying in/out of ADL anyone booking a flight between now and 24 DEC 2024 will receive 40% bonus KrisFlyer miles. Bookings are valid for all return flights by Singapore Airlines for travel between 1 JAN 2025 to 14 DEC 2025. So start booking.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3366 Post by cocoiadrop » Tue Dec 10, 2024 3:55 am

SQ276 on Friday was about an hour or so late for me, because the inbound was also late. Good thing I didn't pick the Sunday flight like I was considering :P

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3367 Post by rev » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:00 pm

China Southern Airlines to touch down in Adelaide for first time since pandemic
Jubilant ministers and officials have welcomed the return of China Southern Airlines flights to Adelaide – while dropping a jumbo hint about the resumption of international Qantas flights.

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A party atmosphere has welcomed the return of China Southern Airlines flights to Adelaide.

Flight CZ 663 from Guangzhou arrived on time at 9:55am marking the resumption of services that were suspended in March 2020 due to the pandemic.

The “almost full” Boeing Dreamliner 787-8 was welcomed by dignitaries and a cake cutting ceremony featuring cakes decorated with pandas and kangaroos.

China Southern will be flying three times per week between Guangzhou and Adelaide until March 1, 2025 with a view to returning to year round services as demand increases.

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Tourism Minister Zoe Bettison said the return of China Southern would further grow tourism and trade and followed the resumption of Emirates flights in October.

“To welcome back our second major international airline in less than two months is a clear sign South Australia is open for business and tourists, with these direct flights set to drive international visitation while reducing cost and travel time,” she said.

“This is an excellent day – we are more connected to the world than ever before.”

Trade Minister Joe Szakacs said the flights would have 45 tonnes of cargo space for local exporters to fill each week with products including citrus fruit and lobsters.

“China is South Australia’s largest two way trading partner and our government values this important partnership and will continue to deepen engagement to deliver future opportunities that benefit the state,” he said.

“Our exports to China have never been higher, worth $4.4bn to the state economy over the past year and this direct route provides another opportunity for our exporters to enter a market cheaper, quicker and more efficiently.”

Adelaide Airport managing director Brenton Cox noted the flights are an essential link in the airport’s network vision.

“The return of China Southern is also a significant stimulus for our exporters at a time when trade restrictions between China and Australia on products such as beef and lobsters have recently been lifted,” he said.

He added a big hint about Qantas: “I am very confident with Qantas (resuming international flights from Adelaide) it is not if but when.”

Non-stop China Southern flights will leave every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday from Guangzhou at 11.15pm (local time) and arrive in Adelaide by 9.55am.

Guangzhou bound flights will leave Adelaide at 11.30am and arrive by 6.05pm.

China Southern Airlines will also enable more connections between South Australia and Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Europe and North America.

China Southern general manager Australia and New Zealand, Mr Zhixing Sun, said the airline is looking forward to strengthening the cooperation with various sectors in South Australia “ And bring more travellers from China and around the world to South Australia.”

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In September, Premier Peter Malinauskas said the relaunch would see “millions of dollars injected into our state” every year.

“Building airline capacity has been a priority for the government from the start, as we work to bring back international visitors in South Australia who are not just here for a holiday, but those ready to invest in businesses, education, and exports,” Mr Malinauskas said.

China Southern Airlines will also enable more connections between South Australia and Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Europe and North America.

The airline first launched their services in December 2016, before operations were halted.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3368 Post by Jaymz » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:35 pm

At least the livery on the plane looks a bit more inspiring than their previous version 😎

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3369 Post by rev » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:08 pm

On 9news just now, Qantas is considering Adelaide to Singapore.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3370 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:18 pm

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At least the livery on the plane looks a bit more inspiring than their previous version 😎
It’s called “wings of dreams” livery, exclusive to China southern 787 fleet

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3371 Post by Jaymz » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:21 pm

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Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:08 pm
On 9news just now, Qantas is considering Adelaide to Singapore.
All i'll say to that is, if they do, Qantas better offer their newest plane with exemplary service plus cheaper fares or it will fail spectacularly.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3372 Post by rogue » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:03 pm

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All i'll say to that is, if they do, Qantas better offer their newest plane with exemplary service plus cheaper fares or it will fail spectacularly.
The incoming A321XLR will do the job. QF would want to offer a better business class on this aircraft to compete against Singapore Airlines B78X.
I don't buy into the narrow body vs wide body debate.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3373 Post by rev » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:47 pm

Jaymz wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:21 pm
rev wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:08 pm
On 9news just now, Qantas is considering Adelaide to Singapore.
All i'll say to that is, if they do, Qantas better offer their newest plane with exemplary service plus cheaper fares or it will fail spectacularly.
After so many years of neglecting an international flight out of Adelaide, the least Qantas could do is find a new route that isn't serviced by an established airline here.
Personally I hope they don't do the Singapore route but another route to Asia. Abu Dhabi, Bangkok, Tokyo or Osaka. Something other then a city we can already fly direct to.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3374 Post by abc » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:52 pm

I flew ADL to Singapore on Qantas in 1987. How far we've come...
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

#3375 Post by Mr Smith » Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:21 pm

After so many years of neglecting an international flight out of Adelaide, the least Qantas could do is find a new route that isn't serviced by an established airline here.
Personally I hope they don't do the Singapore route but another route to Asia. Abu Dhabi, Bangkok, Tokyo or Osaka. Something other then a city we can already fly direct to.
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100%. Qantas are now very much a second rate airline. Very few modern planes and the service quite ordinary. Personally I don't care if they come here or not, as they are utterly underwhelming, however if they do, well at least fly to a market not currently catered for, that way they value add to some degree. But hopefully there is not the usual gormless bending over backwards, per the normal SA Great kiss up. They trade off on being the 'national carrier' but we all know that is pure fantasy.

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