News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[skyliner]

If SA gov't don't get on with it Adelaide will end up like Brisbane - a mass of gridlocks every day. Brisbane is now ranked as second worst place to live in of the capitals as a result.(voted by proportion of residents unhappy- in news today).Relying on the car is environmentally unxceptable, time consuming, tense, expensive).

Planners tell me that no sooner is an expressway/freeway opened up than it is blocked up and more solutions are needed. Electrification of the metru railways is desperately needed IMO as with more tram extensions.

To increase patronage would then need something of a cultural shift/re education or a great degree of inconvenience with cars- it will not be an overnight sensation - except if that was the city tramline.

[ozisnowman]

Article in the paper about how increases in health and education are 10
times higher than those increased on public transport and road infrastructure.
Its appalling considering well over $3 billion each is spent on health and
$3 billion on education and less than $750 million on public transport
and roads.

The complaints about no money DO NOT WASH. Its unexceptable that
Sydney can afford to spend many BILLIONS on 5 Metro Subways over the
next 20 years we can afford to spend a BILLION on fixing our public
transport....

[bdm]

Privatise healthcare and education and get the government into doing what it should: infrastructure and law and order.

[AtD]

Privatise healthcare and education and get the government into doing what it should: infrastructure and law and order.

How long have you been thinking about this theory? Ten seconds?

[bdm]

Privatise healthcare and education and get the government into doing what it should: infrastructure and law and order.

How long have you been thinking about this theory? Ten seconds?

It's a good theory. State governments should do little more than infrastructure and law and order. Education vouchers for schooling. Imagine all the money left over to build everything we'd need.

[AtD]

And who's going to pay for health and education? You're not seriously considering we follow the US down the user-pays path?

[bdm]

And who's going to pay for health and education? You're not seriously considering we follow the US down the user-pays path?

Health and education are inherently good things but government delivers them badly compared to the market. Why not save money, avoid making bureaucrats rich, and deliver higher quality services by leaving responsibility for these services up to people? Few people realise the massive funding increases into these sectors -- along with welfare -- in the last three to five decades has been to the detriment of infrastructure while failing to increase health, education and welfare standards.

But of course the solution touted is to simply inject more money there, instead of using money to propel economic growth through infrastructure or lower tax rates, which will provide far more prosperity.

[Will]

Privatise healthcare and education and get the government into doing what it should: infrastructure and law and order.

This is the worst and most out of touch idea I have read in a very long time. The people of Burnside may be able to afford private healthcare and education, but what about all those people who are not as fortunate as you? I hope you realize that not everyone is as well off as you. Such an out of touch and extreme mentallity is why you lost the election. The American system is a joke.

People should never be placed in the position of having to decide whether to put down their children or having to pay the mortgage/ rent. We should all repudiate such extreme and mean and tricky agendas!

[muzzamo]

Anyway.. back on (sorta) topic... The proposal to build 5 metro lines through Sydney is incredible
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bil ... 63447.html

Even if just the first comes through to fruition, it shows the planning and "big city attitude" that goes on over there.

We are not a city the size of city and may never see underground trains, but an electrification of our network, including extension to seaford and flinders medical centre and partial conversion (port adelaide/west lakes) to light rail, should at least be on the cards.

[bdm]

Privatise healthcare and education and get the government into doing what it should: infrastructure and law and order.

This is the worst and most out of touch idea I have read in a very long time. The people of Burnside may be able to afford private healthcare and education, but what about all those people who are not as fortunate as you? I hope you realize that not everyone is as well off as you. Such an out of touch and extreme mentallity is why you lost the election. The American system is a joke.

People should never be placed in the position of having to decide whether to put down their children or having to pay the mortgage/ rent. We should all repudiate such extreme and mean and tricky agendas!

The "extreme and mean and tricky" agenda is the theft of the wealth of people, and the wealth transfer to government bureaucrats who do not solve any of the problems they are supposed to.

But I will not waste my time debating here. A development forum full of socialists.

[Will]

Privatise healthcare and education and get the government into doing what it should: infrastructure and law and order.

This is the worst and most out of touch idea I have read in a very long time. The people of Burnside may be able to afford private healthcare and education, but what about all those people who are not as fortunate as you? I hope you realize that not everyone is as well off as you. Such an out of touch and extreme mentallity is why you lost the election. The American system is a joke.

People should never be placed in the position of having to decide whether to put down their children or having to pay the mortgage/ rent. We should all repudiate such extreme and mean and tricky agendas!

The "extreme and mean and tricky" agenda is the theft of the wealth of people, and the wealth transfer to government bureaucrats who do not solve any of the problems they are supposed to.

But I will not waste my time debating here. A development forum full of socialists.

So would you rather a system were an elite few control all the wealth and the vast majority are reduced to slaves?

Your mentallity is mean and tricky, because you do not want to help your fellow citizens. Helping your fellow man is not 'mean and tricky'. It is decent thing to do, the correct thing to do.

[AG]

This is the new thread for all articles and topics relating to upgrades and electrification of the TransAdelaide rail system.

Today's Advertiser (26/12/07) makes mention of the Government's vision to electrify the TransAdelaide system, but not using the PPP model it has adopted for other infrastructure projects. The Government has not yet committed to a timeline for electrification, but has already committed to resleepering the Noarlunga and Belair lines alongside the already resleepered Outer Harbor Line. The Advertiser figures suggest that the cost of an electrification program would be in the range of $1.5 billion.

[Will409]

It should be noted that the Outer Harbour line will be closed over two weekends in January, oddly for resleepering. The Grange line is apparently going to be closed at the same time. The Outer Harbour line work will occur at the Commercial Road Viaduct from what I have been told. The current timber sleepers on the viaduct date from 1969 and are well passed the usual use by date. A good quality timber sleeper normally lasts around 15-20 years, not 38.

I have no idea where or even what sort of work will be undertaken on the Grange line. Other then the first curve out of Woodville, the line itself to Grange is actually in reasonable condition.

More work info here:
http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/cgi-bin ... 69c2211734

[Shuz]

I think electrification of the network is indefinetly inevitable and will form a crucial part of next years Budget. All this talk is taking a lot more notice of the serious urgency to undertake such a vital infrastructure project to Adelaide.

[muzzamo]

I think that although it would be fantastic for this to be in next years budget it is highly unlikely, due not only to spending on other infrastructure but mostly because the resleepering is a 4 year project. Expect planning over the next few years and a budget announcement towards the end of the resleepering, or possibly before the next state election.