News & Discussion: Roads & Traffic

[AtD]

Yes, it is. I used to take a early morning train in from Mawson Lakes, and late evening train out again. Even with a four car set, it was a sardine express. If memory serves, TransAdelaide only have two operational railcars in reserve during peak, and during school holidays and special events, it's sometimes a nightmare. Because a large portion of the fleet are dedicated to servicing the Gawler and Noarlunga lines, the lesser lines suffer with smaller, infrequent trains. We have less than 100 railcars.


Between 5.00 and 6.00 pm
10 trains depart Adelaide for the Noarlunga/Tonsley Line
7 trains depart for the Gawler line.
7 trains depart for the Outer Harbour/Grange
4 trains depart for the Belair line
= 28 trains, and almost all of them sardine-packed.

[monotonehell]

So it's time to grade separate, buy additional stock, up frequency, as well as re-sleeper the network then?

No wonder the govt is shitting itself over budget.

[Edgar]

Overhead clearances on a large portion of the network (especially the tunnels on the Belair line as well as many other places elsewhere) are the main reason why double decking can't be done here. Not only that but you have the extra cost, slow loading/unloading times as well as possible structual stress in the body frames and chassis.

And also, why hasn't Adelaide Metro considered using a double-decking fleet for use during peak hour? Obviously would carry twice the current capacity.

Because the average train is about a third the length of the average platform.

Sorry to confuse you guys, I was actually referring to Adelaide Metro's bus fleets. Double decking would be far more efficient for areas that are serviced by buses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBS_Transit


back to the train, on standard gauge, this are the stocks we could possibly consider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Rapid ... ngapore%29

the interior seating is more practical than what we've got.

[Norman]

People are already complaining about the lack of seating, so I don't think even fewer, and plastic seats will do for the general public here.

[Edgar]

People are already complaining about the lack of seating, so I don't think even fewer, and plastic seats will do for the general public here.

I think they have more seating capacity than what we currently have, despite having 3 seats per row in our current stock, they barely fill in properly, try fitting 6 blokes carrying a bag each and fit them into the I-face-you-you-face-me seating arrangements, which is the main reason why at most only 4-5 people can actually fit. And most people are put off with the available clearance that they rather stand up and then they started complaining the lack of seating.

And these arrangements are not the easiest to get in and out with.

[AtD]

Sorry to confuse you guys, I was actually referring to Adelaide Metro's bus fleets. Double decking would be far more efficient for areas that are serviced by buses.

The problem with double-decking is the loading/unloading times become too large for a frequently stopping service. Articulated buses would be better.

[Edgar]

Sorry to confuse you guys, I was actually referring to Adelaide Metro's bus fleets. Double decking would be far more efficient for areas that are serviced by buses.

The problem with double-decking is the loading/unloading times become too large for a frequently stopping service. Articulated buses would be better.

Double-decker express bus will be a winner anytime.

[monotonehell]

Double-decker express bus will be a winner anytime.

Double decker buses can't go on the OBahn...

[PhilH]

Another problem with double-decker buses is that standing passengers on the upper deck might not be allowable - this is the case in UK/Ireland. I imagine that this is the reason why Transport for London has replaced some of its old Routemaster double-deckers with articulated buses (or "bendy-buses" as they call them over there) during the last couple of years - near-enough same seating capacity as a double-decker, but more standing capacity.

[monotonehell]

Another problem with double-decker buses is that standing passengers on the upper deck might not be allowable - this is the case in UK/Ireland. I imagine that this is the reason why Transport for London has replaced some of its old Routemaster double-deckers with articulated buses (or "bendy-buses" as they call them over there) during the last couple of years - near-enough same seating capacity as a double-decker, but more standing capacity.

My Londoner friends tell me that the old Routemasters are only used for tourists these days. Everything else is articulated.

[Edgar]

Another problem with double-decker buses is that standing passengers on the upper deck might not be allowable - this is the case in UK/Ireland. I imagine that this is the reason why Transport for London has replaced some of its old Routemaster double-deckers with articulated buses (or "bendy-buses" as they call them over there) during the last couple of years - near-enough same seating capacity as a double-decker, but more standing capacity.

does articulated buses really have the same (or close) seating capacity to a double decker bus?

[AtD]

Wikipedia says they both have similar seating capacities, but in the UK at least, articulated buses win over-all as standing in the upper deck is prohibited.

[jk1237]

Another problem with double-decker buses is that standing passengers on the upper deck might not be allowable - this is the case in UK/Ireland. I imagine that this is the reason why Transport for London has replaced some of its old Routemaster double-deckers with articulated buses (or "bendy-buses" as they call them over there) during the last couple of years - near-enough same seating capacity as a double-decker, but more standing capacity.

My Londoner friends tell me that the old Routemasters are only used for tourists these days. Everything else is articulated.

No no, I havent been there for about 4 years, however yes they have phased out the old routemaster buses but have replaced them with brand new driver only double deckers. I have seen 2 Australian news reports incorrectly saying that London is phasing out their double decker buses. Completely wrong, they just simply phased out the old ones, caus they didnt have a door that closed and had to employ a conductor. Even in a little village in rural Cornwall, SE England, we almost fell over in laughter when we saw a double decker bus wind its way through the fields to pick us up. Very cute it was
I never ever saw an articulated bus anywhere in the UK, but they may have some now, but 80% of buses in London are very new, modern and cool double deckers, double decker due to the lack of space and congestion in London and other cities

[jk1237]

this is from flickr, and the new type that got me around west London




an even newer one i think


i reckon they look great, but so bloody slow due to traffic, that the tube is quicker

[jk1237]

sorry to bore you all, but i cant believe i found this, which is the bus route i used to take


the suburb Harlesden, is nicknamed Harlem, because it is 99% black population, but an Ok place, and is now attracting Aussies to live there caus of cheap rent. Walking around at night is a bit sus, but Shepherds Bush is very expensive and full of Aussies