#article : Heading in the right population direction

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#16 Post by AtD » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:20 pm

I don't think states have the legal (constitutional?) ability to establish immigration offices overseas.

As for subsidising new immigrants, it'd be a bit of a waste of money. The problem is not so much lack of people wanting to come into Australia, more the lack numbers being let in. Not to mention it'd be political suicide.

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#17 Post by Howie » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:25 pm

AtD wrote:more the lack numbers being let in. Not to mention it'd be political suicide.
True, although the alternative would be much worse. Have a read of the current issue of adelaide review... spot on write up about immigration.

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#18 Post by Al » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:02 am

Howie wrote:
AtD wrote:more the lack numbers being let in. Not to mention it'd be political suicide.
True, although the alternative would be much worse. Have a read of the current issue of adelaide review... spot on write up about immigration.
I'd have to agree. It's either an aging population that's not reproducing and requiring ever more health and aged care with less tax payers to support them or increasing immigration. The solution may not be perfect but the goverment may not have a choice.

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#19 Post by Will » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:08 pm

I was wondering - can the federal government force immigrants to settle in states like ours or Tasmania?

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#20 Post by Al » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:13 pm

Will wrote:I was wondering - can the federal government force immigrants to settle in states like ours or Tasmania?
Immigrants are not refugees and they decide to come here generally of their own free will. If the feds 'force' them to stay in a place that they don't choose, it may backfire and decrease the number of people wanting to live here.

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#21 Post by Algernon » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:02 pm

Effectively they can be forced. The requirements to obtain citizenship are very high - you have to score points in accordance with your skills, and australia determines what skills attract the most points. Another strategy in effect now is that you can obtain citizenship with fewer points if you settle in places like Adelaide or regional towns. For many, moving to Adelaide is one of the only choices, because they don't meet the requirements to settle in Sydney etc.

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#22 Post by Will » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:10 pm

Al wrote:
Will wrote:I was wondering - can the federal government force immigrants to settle in states like ours or Tasmania?
Immigrants are not refugees and they decide to come here generally of their own free will. If the feds 'force' them to stay in a place that they don't choose, it may backfire and decrease the number of people wanting to live here.
Yes you have a point, forcing people here would make people think that there is something wrong with SA. And the reality is that currently there is nothing wrong with Adelaide and SA and we are comparable with the other states.

I was thinking about my families experiences when we came here. My parents say that the only reason they came to Adelaide was because my dad's sister already lived here and she told us that Adelaide was a good place to raise a family. Adelaide is not well known internationally and when people think of Australia they mainly think of Sydney and to a lesser extent Melbourne. Increasing Adelaide's international image would definately make it an immigrant magnet. That is why I propose state government funded immigrant information centres located in our largest immigrant sources. These centres would inform people about Adelaide, and help them make the right choice and come here. Therefore when these people decide to come to Australia they will have Adelaide in mind.

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#23 Post by Will » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:16 pm

I was having a look at recent ABS figures which reveal that the state has slightly improved its population growth. For many years it was growing at 0.5% per annum, however the latest figures reveal that it is now growing at 0.6%, which equates to almost 10 000 people per annum. Although still not good enough, these figures are much better than figures from 3-10 years ago, where the state's population was growing by only 4000 - 7000 people a year. The cause of this increase is due to increasing more international migrants to SA, up from around 3000 from 1994-2003 to the current figure of 6400. There has also been a slight increae in births, however the state still has a large net loss of people moving interstate. On a percentage basis we are the worst performing state with a net loss of -3500 people.

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#24 Post by supernova » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:02 pm

mabye if there was a youth support scheme to keep the young people in rather than moving out, by the goverment offering them a range of services to help them with their living?

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#25 Post by bdm » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:13 pm

Anyone ever looked at the community id graphs, etc for the councils? Adelaide is missing an absolutely huge chunk of people in the 18-25 demographic. It's almost scary. I'm ashamed that in Burnside, where I live, we have more people dying every year than are born.

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#26 Post by supernova » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:43 pm

i think burnside council has the most number of nursing homes within the area, thus meaning an older community - so i wouldnt be surprised.

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#27 Post by Al » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:38 pm

From the Advertiser today.

MORE MAKE HOME IN SA:
Migrants at 20-year high
By JEMMA CHAPMAN and TORY SHEPHERD
18apr06

SOUTH Australia has achieved its highest share of immigrants in 20 years and experts predict a continuing influx.

But business leaders have warned the intake must rapidly increase in order for the state to avert a "population crisis".

Latest Immigration Department figures show 4396 people moved to SA from overseas in the six months to December - 6.7 per cent of the national intake and a significant increase for a population much smaller than those of the eastern states.

It is the state's highest share since 1985-86, when 5.3 per cent of Australia's immigrants - a total of 4923 - chose to settle in SA.

However, latest Australian Bureau of Statistics figures show the state's net population loss to other states was 3483 in 2004-05.

University of Adelaide demographer Professor Graeme Hugo has attributed the state's increase to immigration schemes that make it easier for people to migrate to underpopulated areas.

SA's immigration increase comes as the New South Wales share continues to decline.

While Australia's most populated state still attracts the largest number of migrants - 22,956 in the six months to December - its share has declined to 34.9 per cent from a peak of 44.7 per cent in 1995-1996.

Western Australia and Queensland also increased their share of immigrants, receiving 13.5 and 18.7 per cent respectively.

Prof Hugo said South Australia's skills shortage was also attracting skilled workers from overseas.

"There's a significant number of skilled migrants coming, so it's a really big change because previously it was overwhelmingly refugees," he said. SA's immigration share was now nearly equal to its population share.

While he predicted the state's migration intake would continue to grow, he said more needed to be done to stem the number of young people leaving the state.

"Having got the migrants here, the challenge is to retain them," he said.

Premier Mike Rann said he was "delighted at the upturn in migration".

He said the State Government would continue to market SA around the world "as a destination". "Obviously people go where the action is," he said.

"Right from the start, with our economic development strategy, it's been about generating economic growth and confidence in SA and ultimately, people will go where there are job opportunities."

Mr Rann said the $6 billion air warfare destroyer project and the Olympic Dam uranium mine expansion in the Far North would create many more job opportunities for skilled migrants.

Business SA chief executive Peter Vaughan welcomed the increase in migration as a "step in the right direction", but said many more migrants were needed as the population aged and young people were lost to the eastern states. "We will be the only state in Australia which will have a population decline.

"We are not going to get (a population increase) by all running off and having children. It ain't happening. The only way it can happen is by a massive increase of migration. We need to attract more young, entrepreneurial, risk-taking people of marrying age."

Mr Vaughan said SA needed to attract 50,000 migrants a year over the next 10 years to bring its population up to two million by 2015. The State Government's goal of achieving this population target by 2050 would be "too late".

Immigration Department spokesman Sandi Logan said SA was "continuing to attract more migrants and a large number of them are helping address critical skills shortages across the state".

Clara Spencer came to Australia from Canada almost a year ago, and was awarded permanent residency in February.

Ms Spencer has worked for a sustainable architecture firm and in hospitality since moving here.

Ms Spencer and her partner, Jacob Ross, visited Sydney over summer and talked about moving there. "But when you come to Adelaide you realise it's much more affordable," she said.

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#28 Post by Will » Tue May 16, 2006 3:52 pm

I remember making the comment that the people I blame for the state's net loss of people interstate are the parents of children. I think this article vindicates my claims. Something needs to be done to re-educate the population as I find it a tragedy that people feed their kids propaganda that makes Adelaide seem like a backwater, and a country town with no future.


From the Advertiser:

Brain drain blamed on boastful parents
By JILL PENGELLEY
12may06
BABY boomers in the eastern suburbs are encouraging the drain of young talent overseas by bragging about their children's international success, demographer Bernard Salt says.

"There's a polite game played between baby boomers in Adelaide," he told an Institute of Chartered Accountants conference in Adelaide yesterday.
"The game is - compare how well your kids have been doing.
"They're getting off on how far out of Adelaide they've been able to catapult their kids."
Mr Salt, a Melbourne-based partner at KPMG, said Adelaide parents seemed to lead the way in bragging that their children were working in London or New York.




"Rather than seeing that as a negative, 50-something baby boomers in the eastern suburbs turn it into a positive," he said.
"We really value you when you're an expat Australian making it big overseas."
Mr Salt said change was needed to reverse the migration of young people.
It was particularly critical in SA because young graduates were also being lost to the eastern states, where Sydney and Melbourne "suck in young people and spit out old people".
He said Generation Y - those born between 1976 and 1991 - tended to delay their commitment to a mortgage and marriage and were less likely to settle down anywhere near their parents.
Many who started their careers overseas might be tempted to stay there because they could avoid repaying their HECS debts.
The long-term problems included a skills shortage in Australia, a gender imbalance because more males moved away than females, and, ultimately, a shortage of people living close enough to care for ageing baby boomer parents.

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