Automotive appreciation thread

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#46 Post by Omicron » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:01 am

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Edgar wrote:speaking new cars, I am in the market of getting a nice reliable economic car for daily runabout. Sold my A4, and after visiting the motorshow, some really really good value for money cars are out there.

Examples are:
1) Hyundai i30. I must admit that I was never a big fan of Hyundai cars, but recently, they have improved a lot, thanks to German designed (or could possibly be engineered by Germans too) gave the i30 a big tick. It has got the most efficient diesel out of any passenger cars you can buy out there, it has got an European look, which may claims the rear looks identical to the BMW 1 series curves, the interior is a much improved over the old ones, and the price tags are rather interesting as well. Starting at low $20Ks, you would be paying another $5-10k easily for the competitor's diesel hatch range.

2) The new Honda Accord, not the Euro version, but the new Japanese Accord. Because it is made in Thailand and thanks for the free trade tax agreement, the new Accord is seriously affordable luxury. Starting from only $30k for the basic 2.4l model, to $36k for the luxury 2.4l model. The 3.5l V6 with variable cylinder managements (shuts down 2-3 cylinders depending on loads for efficiency) is a few thousands more, but the 4 cylinder version are where the bargain is.

3) Skoda Octavia, a cut price Volkswagen. If you really like the Volkswagen sedan but cannot afford one, get a Skoda, I swear, they are on par to each other, if not, Skoda outbeat the Volkswagen in everything else except the X-factor. Jump into Volkswagen from the Skoda (From Octavia to Golf), you would feel so inadequate, because for some reasons that the Golf are more expensive than Skoda when they are almost identical, again, everything else except for the exterior look.
Golf GT TSI.

There, I said it.
If you have not already know, the Germans are the creator of 'Options'.

$690 for metallic paints, $590 security system, $790 CD changer, before registration and delivery charges.

If you buy Australia, Japanese, or Korean, most comes standard, and way cheaper too.

Golf GT TSI Auto $37,290, base price before all the basic options fitted.

That price is even more expensive than the Honda Accord VTi-Luxury with leather, 17" Alloy, sunroof, heated seats, electric seats, plus so much more.

It's not that I have never fell in love with Golf, I did before, but considering the fact that all other car manufacturers have really step up the game, hop in to any new cars I mentioned above from a Golf, you would be feeling hopeless if you own one.

So over-rated, so over-priced, and so standard.
Equipment maketh not a good car, ye Mr. Edgar! Of course, I may be biased because of my dislike of the Accord Seppo range (VTi, for those playing by the brochure), especially given how much nicer its Euro equivalent is, but nevertheless!

Incidentally, an Octavia Elegance 2.0 automatic is still going to set you back $33,290, and at that price, a $26,990 Polo GTI(or even better, an MY03/04 Passat V6, so that the first owner has taken the depreciation hit) looks rather smashing. Of course, I have no idea as to your preferences nor requirements, so my arguments are largely self-indulgent. :wink:

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#47 Post by Edgar » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:56 pm

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Equipment maketh not a good car, ye Mr. Edgar! Of course, I may be biased because of my dislike of the Accord Seppo range (VTi, for those playing by the brochure), especially given how much nicer its Euro equivalent is, but nevertheless!

Incidentally, an Octavia Elegance 2.0 automatic is still going to set you back $33,290, and at that price, a $26,990 Polo GTI(or even better, an MY03/04 Passat V6, so that the first owner has taken the depreciation hit) looks rather smashing. Of course, I have no idea as to your preferences nor requirements, so my arguments are largely self-indulgent. :wink:
I can tell that you have particular high interest towards Volkswagen range. I for once, were a big fan of them, I think they were a really cool car. But definitely not this year, all the competitors are really stepping up the game, especially those coming from Japan.

What I also noticed lately on cars that have been coming out from Japan is that, these Japanese car manufacturer takes their European competitors and set them as their benchmark, to produce an even better car than the Europeans.

GT-R benchmark is the Porsche 911 Turbo
Subaru WRX STi benchmark is the Golf R32
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X SST transmission benchmark from Volkswagen's DSG. I still remember seeing a video where they first tested the DSG gearbox and now, they are found on these Evo and GT-R, different title but same theory.
Lexus benchmark is Mercedes S-Class. Every time a new technology is found in any new S-Class, the Lexus top of the range model will top over it.

Now, there is nothing wrong with VW Golf, but the car has been around for many years now, it is starting to look tired, the interior is dull and uninspiring, you feel like you're on a Corolla standard wearing premium tags. Now even the Corolla 6-speed has a super cool interior.
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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#48 Post by Omicron » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:34 pm

Less of this serious talk, and more talk about ways I can get this immaculate '64 Chevrolet Biscayne 2-door sedan into my garage:

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409ci, 425hp, and only 1000 original miles. Beautiful.

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#49 Post by Omicron » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:52 pm

Gasp! I need this '70 Challenger R/T 400 Six-Pack:

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I'd prefer the T-bar and centre console from an SE, but I think I could live with this wonderful example. None of that new-fangled version, thank you.

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#50 Post by Cruise » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:45 pm

Some unoffical shots of the FG falcon. and it proves one thing, Ford offical shots are shit!

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#51 Post by Omicron » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:03 pm

I see many red Xs. Here's hoping that Ford Australia's future is not reliant upon red Xs.

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#52 Post by Wayno » Tue May 20, 2008 9:31 am

from today's paper:

http://adelaide.yourguide.com.au/news/l ... 72755.aspx
Hybrid Commodore on the way
19/05/2008 4:05:00 PM
Local car maker Holden could be producing a hybrid version of the Commodore in about two years, a senior General Motors official says.

A diesel version is also likely while a four-cylinder turbo-charged model was a "sensible suggestion" said Nick Reilly, General Motors Group vice president and president GM Asia Pacific.

Mr Reilly said that, like the car industry in general, GM and Holden were keen for the federal government to offer incentives for people to shift to more environmentally-friendly vehicles.

"The quickest things we can do are with alternative fuels such as CNG or LPG. Those would be our priorities," he said.

"Diesels we already have in several of our cars in Australia.

"We don't yet have a diesel in a Commodore but that will come."

Mr Reilly said GM's strength in hybrids was in larger cars and he expected a hybrid Commodore to be one of the first off the production line.

"I would put a time frame on that of probably a couple of years," he said.

Holden's commitment to a hybrid Commodore comes on top of the work Toyota has done on producing a hybrid version of the Camry in Melbourne.

Mr Reilly said Holden needed both a diesel powered and a hybrid Commodore

He said alternative-powered cars would likely be offered in addition to existing petrol-powered models.
not sure if this means more jobs in SA?
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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#53 Post by Norman » Tue May 20, 2008 11:23 am

Probably more of a Job Security thing in the declining Automotive industry.

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#54 Post by Howie » Tue May 20, 2008 11:37 am

Sounds alright to me. First plug-in hybrids, then next stop.. total electric! :D

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#55 Post by Shuz » Tue May 20, 2008 12:08 pm

On a random note. My favourite car, the Honda Accord Euro.

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#56 Post by Wayno » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:50 pm

Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#57 Post by Norman » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:41 pm

Wow, that's some artful skill!

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Re: Automotive appreciation thread

#58 Post by Edgar » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:03 pm

Yeah Ken is a crazy block.

He used to drive the STI over the snow ski ramp. He then had another jump but overshot the stunt and injured his back during landing.
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#59 Post by Howie » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:42 pm

That's some crazy driving there.

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