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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#406 Post by Cruise » Sun May 11, 2008 2:09 pm

ozisnowman wrote:AUFC, FFA and Federal Government should build a Soccer Only stadium in or near city
later to be shared with rugby etc. If and when Australia wins to host the world cup.
Mike Rann and his cronies and anyone who whinged about an inner city stadium like
you will should be force to go to the Marj and watch the World Cup from your hospital
room TV....

I am not opposed to health funding but the way some of you guys carry on about it
you would think that most of you are around retirement age and ready for the
gerriatric hospital. If that is what Rann wants to create then be it we might as well
change our slogan from SA Festival State to SA Retirement Village.

bloody hell, that's almost offensive....

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#407 Post by Will » Sun May 11, 2008 3:30 pm

Cruise wrote:
ozisnowman wrote:AUFC, FFA and Federal Government should build a Soccer Only stadium in or near city
later to be shared with rugby etc. If and when Australia wins to host the world cup.
Mike Rann and his cronies and anyone who whinged about an inner city stadium like
you will should be force to go to the Marj and watch the World Cup from your hospital
room TV....

I am not opposed to health funding but the way some of you guys carry on about it
you would think that most of you are around retirement age and ready for the
gerriatric hospital. If that is what Rann wants to create then be it we might as well
change our slogan from SA Festival State to SA Retirement Village.

bloody hell, that's almost offensive....
So you do not think that being called corrupt amongst other things isn't offensive.

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#408 Post by Ho Really » Sun May 11, 2008 4:04 pm

Will wrote:
Norman wrote:Things the current governmet has done?
-Desal Plant
-New prisons
-New hospital
-School reforms (ie Super Schools)
-Bakewell Underpass
-Rail Re-sleepering
-New buses
-New Adelaide Airport

that's all I can think of for now.
Not to mention:

*reduicng waiting times in hospitals
*nationalising the Modbury Hospital
*deepening Outer Harbour
*Hiring more police
*Introducing the PACE program which has facilitated mining exploration
*Introduced the Social Inclusion board
*Brought Carnegie Mellon and Cranfield University to Adelaide
*Got the Royal Insitute to open their Australian office in Adelaide
*Rebuilt the public service

I could go on....
Fellas all governments do things. Some are initiated in a previous government and executed and terminated in another. Some cannot go ahead because of funding (either state or federal) but later go ahead. It is a matter of timing. So credit sometimes goes to more than one government. The point is that they do what the public wants, when they need it. The question here is whether there will be something that is iconic for Rann to be remembered by, something he has come up with personally (which could be the ‘Marj’).

I like what he has done to attract overseas universities. The rest to me is routine.

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#409 Post by Cruise » Sun May 11, 2008 4:40 pm

Will wrote:
Cruise wrote:
ozisnowman wrote:AUFC, FFA and Federal Government should build a Soccer Only stadium in or near city
later to be shared with rugby etc. If and when Australia wins to host the world cup.
Mike Rann and his cronies and anyone who whinged about an inner city stadium like
you will should be force to go to the Marj and watch the World Cup from your hospital
room TV....

I am not opposed to health funding but the way some of you guys carry on about it
you would think that most of you are around retirement age and ready for the
gerriatric hospital. If that is what Rann wants to create then be it we might as well
change our slogan from SA Festival State to SA Retirement Village.

bloody hell, that's almost offensive....
So you do not think that being called corrupt amongst other things isn't offensive.
of course it is, It's just that i agree with you and found that particular post annoying

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#410 Post by Ho Really » Sun May 11, 2008 4:59 pm

rhino wrote:
adam73837 wrote:Firstly, any government would build a new hospital, .
MHS's Liberals say they won't. They would rather patch up the craphole that we currently call our major hospital.
adam73837 wrote: As for the 'super schools' is there any proof that they will be very successful? .
There's plenty of evidence that the current system is not successful. Small schools, while they can offer a sense of community, cannot afford to offer the range of educational services that a superschool can offer. Sure, it's something new and as yet unproven, but the theory is good and the current system is failing the kids.
adam73837 wrote:Then there's the Bakewell Underpass. Just for everyone who is questioning it, it was an 80-year old bridge that had had HEAPS of traffic using it for an extremely long time. Of course it had to be redeveloped. .
And it got redeveloped by Rann. How much infrastructure development was there under the previous government? Very very little.
adam73837 wrote:An as for those underpasses on South Road, they're just band-aid solutions to a problem that will not go away with a few underpasses. What we need is a large ring route sytem with a north-south corridor .
The underpasses are the affordable solution. Got any ideas on how we should pay for land aquisition to build your freeway empire?
adam73837 wrote:Meanwhile, the new prison for Adelaide and the desal plant have not been built .
To say "we're going to build this" and then build it without planning it would be folly. You say you are not interested in going into politics - thank God for that!
Rhino, you seem to forget that this is Rann's second term and over this time he has been very fortunate that the Australian economy has done well and that we've reaped from the GST, that SA is back on its feet after the repairs by the previous Liberals (who had to do the unpopular and dirty work of selling our utilities). The mining (see high prices and overseas demand), defence and property boom is also falling into Rann’s lap. The issue now is for Rann to make the right decisions, but also listen to the public that voted for him. Underpasses may be well and good when they are appropriate (Bakewell), but patch ups like South Road are only that. When are we going to have that North-South Freeway, can Rann give us a timeline? Rann's mentor got it wrong in that department. What we need to see is a detailed transport and infrastructure plan asap, not one project here and one there, and this is regardless of Labor or Liberal. Let the general public get a debate going, with the pros and cons, and not be secretive.

Superschools are not proven. A new system has to be better than the old, not just the same, or else don’t change it. In the old days those from the left cried when a community lost its school, now all of a sudden there’s been a complete turnaround. Personally I think there will be money saved, but there will be money spent elsewhere to get the kids to the superschool, particularly if they are underprivileged.

As for the desal plant, you’ve got to thank the Libs and the SA public for pressuring Rann. Now let’s hope he does a good job of it.

Policing and prisons? That makes me laugh. A socialist government should be creating situations where people avoid getting into crime, or at the worst rehabilitating them. That’s what they should concentrate on. Like health, we should be looking at a healthier society, which needs less doctors and less hospital beds. To me the hospital is a non-issue. We’ll get one regardless of where it is. As long as it doesn’t cost us an arm or a leg (no pun intended).

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#411 Post by mattblack » Sun May 11, 2008 7:00 pm

Rhino, you seem to forget that this is Rann's second term and over this time he has been very fortunate that the Australian economy has done well and that we've reaped from the GST, that SA is back on its feet after the repairs by the previous Liberals (who had to do the unpopular and dirty work of selling our utilities). The mining (see high prices and overseas demand), defence and property boom is also falling into Rann’s lap.
I think its very easy to say that these things have just 'fallen into the lap' of Rann, I bet a fair bit of backroom lobbying has gone into making some of these things the success that they now appear to be. The case in point is the Defence project that SA has wrangled from the bigger states. Im sure they were no push over. Labour has also enticed exploration of the state with tax benifits and promises of infrastucture upgrades which are now being undertaken at good speed. Rail links up north, new deep port at Whyalla, Desal plant up north, Northern expressways and connectors to name a few were basically never conceived of 5 - 7 years ago. Its called an evolving economic stategy, not making things up as we go along. It could be said in another 5-7 years that Rann did some hard yards but pushing for infrastructure rather than sexy stadiums, who knows really, he might just be considered a twat ?

I would be bloody nice to see a comprhensive plan. Everyone would like that With all these other projects cropping up that does build the foundation for the future i cant see the government comitting to anything that might come back and bite them in the arse in 10 years time when were still waiting for our stadium and north-south freeway to be finished off.

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#412 Post by paul » Sun May 11, 2008 9:30 pm

Rann's shrewdly managed to avoid tackling a couple of the most important infrastrucure issues - a north - shouth freeway (this is not achieved by a couple of underpasses on South Rd) and the upgrading of the rail system. This is inexcusable after 6 years in power especially considering the current economic climate. At the very least, Rann needs to present a vision and discuss openly the funding options - (such as taking on debt, toll roads, privatisation, an infrastucture levey etc). I can only assume he's avoided this for political reasons - hardly the sign of good leadership.

As for the stadium versus hospital debate I think it's clear we need both. The question is the site - surely this is best served for a future stadium? Personlly I'd love to see that entire area of the city developed into a riverbank precent with retail developments, apartments, hotels, restuarants etc (served by an extention to the tram). I notice that the Perth waterfront development is being heavily pushed by the WA labor government - it's a shame Rann isn't prepared to take a political risk and offer a similar vision for Adelaide (it's interesting to note that the Perth development is in their 'parklands' yet the council and WA government are presumably able to rationalise that this development is complimentary).

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#413 Post by Cruise » Sun May 11, 2008 10:11 pm

WA has a budget surplus of a little more than 2 billion this year (though it will slow to approx 200 million in 4 years) thats a bit more than SA's budget surplus.

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#414 Post by Shuz » Sun May 11, 2008 10:14 pm

What'll SA's budget surplus be?

Whats the point of the surplus... I've never understood it. Like is it just put into a bank to save up on until shit happens over the year where some money needs to go?

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#415 Post by Will » Sun May 11, 2008 11:43 pm

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of course it is, It's just that i agree with you and found that particular post annoying
Good to see that we are on the same wavelength on this then. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: #Vision: New Inner-City Stadium

#416 Post by Ho Really » Mon May 12, 2008 9:21 am

mattblack wrote:I think its very easy to say that these things have just 'fallen into the lap' of Rann, I bet a fair bit of backroom lobbying has gone into making some of these things the success that they now appear to be. The case in point is the Defence project that SA has wrangled from the bigger states. Im sure they were no push over. Labour has also enticed exploration of the state with tax benifits and promises of infrastucture upgrades which are now being undertaken at good speed. Rail links up north, new deep port at Whyalla, Desal plant up north, Northern expressways and connectors to name a few were basically never conceived of 5 - 7 years ago. Its called an evolving economic stategy, not making things up as we go along. It could be said in another 5-7 years that Rann did some hard yards but pushing for infrastructure rather than sexy stadiums, who knows really, he might just be considered a twat ?
The Libs would have done the same, they have always been pro business, but they also don't want the state to go bankrupt, so timing is always important. As I said, Rann has been fortunate about the times we are in. Any government today would have done the same, that's why I am coy about giving him credit. As for the overseas universities, I give him (and his government) credit for that and I hope either him or the next government expand on it.
I would be bloody nice to see a comprhensive plan. Everyone would like that With all these other projects cropping up that does build the foundation for the future i cant see the government comitting to anything that might come back and bite them in the arse in 10 years time when were still waiting for our stadium and north-south freeway to be finished off.
Either a government is honest to its people and has vision or it isn't.

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#417 Post by Brando » Mon May 12, 2008 10:59 am

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 01,00.html
THE AFL says it will not play at any new CBD stadium built in Adelaide and would rather see a redevelopment of AAMI Stadium.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said a new stadium could not survive without AFL football and the AFL would not play there.

"We're certainly not supportive of a brand new stadium," he told ABC Radio today.

"You certainly can't justify spending $1 billion of taxpayers' money on a new stadium."

Premier Mike Rann has ruled out a stadium on the grounds it would cost $1 billion, although the Opposition and other critics believe it could be built for much less.

"We've got a stadium that has served the game well. It does need some significant amount of money to be spent on it to bring it up to the standard we would like," Mr Demetriou said.

"(But) we've got no support for a new stadium and, in fact, I think I'm on the record as saying it couldn't possibly survive without football being played there and we wouldn't play there. We'd rather have a refurb at AAMI Stadium."

Mr Demetriou's comments are a blow for the Opposition, which has proposed the construction of a new inner-city stadium to be used by the various football codes.

The State Government has opposed the concept, with Mr Rann suggesting the next state election would give voters the opportunity to choose between the new sports venue or a new central hospital, as planned by Labor.

Mr Demetriou said that while AAMI Stadium was in urgent need of a major upgrade, he did not think the idea of a new stadium was financially viable.

"I don't think you can make the numbers stack up," he said.

"Our history shows that any investment in a stadium, especially the sort of magnitude you're talking about in South Australia, would be very, very difficult to get any return on the investment.

"I don't think that you can justify spending that sort of money if you're not going to get the return."




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#418 Post by monotonehell » Mon May 12, 2008 11:12 am

Brando wrote:http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 01,00.html
THE AFL says it will not play at any new CBD stadium built in Adelaide and would rather see a redevelopment of AAMI Stadium.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said a new stadium could not survive without AFL football and the AFL would not play there.

"We're certainly not supportive of a brand new stadium," he told ABC Radio today.

...

Mr Demetriou said that while AAMI Stadium was in urgent need of a major upgrade, he did not think the idea of a new stadium was financially viable.

"I don't think you can make the numbers stack up," he said.

"Our history shows that any investment in a stadium, especially the sort of magnitude you're talking about in South Australia, would be very, very difficult to get any return on the investment.

"I don't think that you can justify spending that sort of money if you're not going to get the return."
The bottom line is the bottom line (RoI). It's a bit of a catch 22 here, there's little chance of getting an RoI without AFL on our side. We'd need all the codes to bring revenue to it. I still want to know what MHS's developer mates have planned and how they think they will see an RoI from it.

I've been waiting here for months for someone to show me that an inner city stadium would not be a white elephant. Still waiting. Still reserving judgement.
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#419 Post by BenJ » Mon May 12, 2008 11:38 am

I think this shows that it's going to have to be up to Dario and AUFC, if this is ever going to happen. Would mean that the AFLers would miss out.

In terms of the state government, my interpretation is that they're spending lots on fairly unsexy infrastructure and organising things to secure the mining/defense/education boom for SA with not much emphasis on entertainment venues etc. Maybe this will come several years down the track when we really start to reap the benefits from the above. As long as there is good planning and they don't make quick or ad hoc decisions on the run (like putting a hospital on prime real estate) then I'm optimistic about the future.

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#420 Post by monotonehell » Mon May 12, 2008 11:43 am

BenJ wrote:I think this shows that it's going to have to be up to Dario and AUFC, if this is ever going to happen. Would mean that the AFLers would miss out.
If the AUFC can fund a stadium, we'll get a cheaper Hindmarsh clone on the fringe of the CBD. Not really much of an improvement. :(
BenJ wrote:In terms of the state government, my interpretation is that they're spending lots on fairly unsexy infrastructure and organising things to secure the mining/defense/education boom for SA with not much emphasis on entertainment venues etc. Maybe this will come several years down the track when we really start to reap the benefits from the above. As long as there is good planning and they don't make quick or ad hoc decisions on the run (like putting a hospital on prime real estate) then I'm optimistic about the future.
That's my interpretation of what's going on. I just wish they'd COMMUNICATE that, instead of being all arrogant and secretive.
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