Discussion: Development of Adelaide Railyards

[rhino]

So despite all the raving about this hospital being scrapped, which I only ever saw on these forums, the hospital is still very much going ahead. Good to hear. This will be great for Adelaide.

Mmmm a schmiko new hospital on prime city land will be an awesome attraction for Adelaide.

As has been discussed earlier in this thread, there is no proof that building a stadium in the city will bring more people into the precinct pre-game or post-game. It hasn't happened in Seattle, it hasn't happened in 30 years at West Lakes (no entrepreneur has taken advantage of the fact that 50,000 people a week arrive at the stadium, mostly in private cars), and whether it's happened in Melbourne is still not clear - there were a shitload of people in Melbourne city anyway before the dome was built. They come to Southern Cross Station, they walk to the dome, they walk back to Southern Cross. The one thing I am convinced of is that we need this new hospital - you say AAMI has been patched and patched and now we need a new stadium - patching up has been going on about 100 years longer at the RAH.

[Omicron]

For something relatively simple, its effective. A good integration of nature and human activity with the playspaces, viewing platforms and walking activities. If the hospitial does proceed (amisdt all the speculation) I think the masterplans of the two areas work well in sync with the other.

I just hope that they actually put effort into this though, with immaculately landscaped and well maintained surroundings to enhance its image as a more user-friendly place. That's the problem with the most of the Adelaide Parklands, they're all the works of Mother Nature's fury when they should be utilised for ourselves.

Whatever happens to be built on the site, at the very least let it be done properly. If there's one thing worse than a development in the wrong place, it's a bad development in the wrong place. I've forgiven the Wine Centre because it's such a tremendous building inside, but Platinum on the Beach, the Beachouse and the clumsy little mall off Moseley Square are depressingly forgettable. No-one gave a toss, and it showed; the British Leyland of buildings, if you will.

[mattblack]

Mmmm a schmiko new hospital on prime city land will be an awesome attraction for Adelaide.

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No but the crap load of land between it and the bridge could be. Maybe a South aussie history museum? Who knows? Its still ripe for the picking.

[rev]

So despite all the raving about this hospital being scrapped, which I only ever saw on these forums, the hospital is still very much going ahead. Good to hear. This will be great for Adelaide.

Mmmm a schmiko new hospital on prime city land will be an awesome attraction for Adelaide.

As has been discussed earlier in this thread, there is no proof that building a stadium in the city will bring more people into the precinct pre-game or post-game. It hasn't happened in Seattle, it hasn't happened in 30 years at West Lakes (no entrepreneur has taken advantage of the fact that 50,000 people a week arrive at the stadium, mostly in private cars), and whether it's happened in Melbourne is still not clear - there were a shitload of people in Melbourne city anyway before the dome was built. They come to Southern Cross Station, they walk to the dome, they walk back to Southern Cross. The one thing I am convinced of is that we need this new hospital - you say AAMI has been patched and patched and now we need a new stadium - patching up has been going on about 100 years longer at the RAH.

Really, no proof? So an American city is proof? It's worked in Melbourne as examples given by people who have actually been and seen, so why over look that? What about the fact thousands already do head into the city after the 2-3 international cricket games we have each summer? After the Adelaide United game at AO, thousands again headed into town. So clearly there is a precedent in Adelaide already set.
West lakes is not a CBD...how can you even compare a METRO SUBURB to a CBD? I'm really quite sick of this so called "argument" people keep bringing up, stinks of nimbyism. :wank: :wank: :wank:
50,000 people a week do not turn up to AAMI..where are your figures to prove this? Port's average home game attendance isn't even 30,000 at the moment, and the Crows couldn't even sell it out for a home final.
Of course no "entrepreneur" has taken advantage of AAMI stadiums location, why the hell would they? It is in the middle of suburbia, not a night life 'district' such as the CBD.
We aren't even arguing that a city stadium would enliven the city with new shops etc, we are arguing that it would cause an influx of tens of thousands into the CBD each weekend to existing venues.
More economic benefits from a CBD stadium then one in the middle of the nowhere, surely people can see that.

Yes people catch public transport to the Dome. People will catch public transport to a new city stadium here too, if one were built right next to the train station, which would be the most convenient and logical location for a stadium in this city. Instead its being wasted with a hospital which could be built in other locations.

I haven't heard anyone argue we don't need a new hospital. On the contrary, we are all for it, but not on the location proposed. And no, we don't want funds allocated for a new stadium now, but in the years ahead, and for the rail yard site to not be wasted with a hospital. It is a prime location, why waste it by slapping a hospital on it?

[talrok]

went to visit in the RAH last week .. a joke of a hospital YES. Build a new one YES. But not smack bang in the middle of the city and on prime land.

Yes, its in the city now .. but when was it built?? Probably long ago when the population was smaller and there were no Crows and Port and the city living buzz wasn't such a priority.

A city stadium YES. I am sure some of the crowd would head into the city (pubs, shops, restaurants etc. etc) and liven up the place.

A hospital should be on the outskirts somewhere where there is easy access to it.

just imagine building hospital on railyards then if we are lucky we get a stadium on West Tce ... 50,000 people Friday night commuting to the ground, many down Port Rd/Cocal Cola .. would hate to be in a rush to get to Emergency at the new hospital!!

I'd say 0.01% of people catch public transport to hospitals, whereas about say 30-50% of people catch transport to Sporting events ... so place the Sports Ground where there is more transport infrastructure and not the other way around!!!!

[mattblack]

I'd say 0.01% of people catch public transport to hospitals, whereas about say 30-50% of people catch transport to Sporting events ... so place the Sports Ground where there is more transport infrastructure and not the other way around!!!!

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Nice that you've pulled those figures out of somewhere I dont particularly want to think about. Really backs up your argument well.

I agree that the railyards are prime land. I agreee that we need a new hospital. I agree that a new stadium will bring untolled benefits to the CBD. Money is the issue here, how much money is the government able to spend? How much is the SANFL willing to give up and what are the priorities for the population as a whole? This requires a balanced approach, something that I think a few are missing.

[Cruise]

Yes everyone, Because the city is so totally awesome and it will attract people out from the woodwork, We should build a 100,000 capacity stadium in or near the CBD ASAP.

[monotonehell]

I have a proposition. (Not an indecent one)

Unless we have something NEW to add to this debate, let's not waste bandwidth just going over and over the same argument.

We should all know the various stances now - actually I have two propositions.

The first is to stop going around in ever decreasing circles. The second is if you actually want to do something constructive, form a group and get Howie to make a submission topic (if he's amicable) then work toward an actual submission on the topic to the entities who matter - Govt, sports bodies, business bodies, MHS, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...

Something like "We the undersigned would REALLLY luv if the Government would come out with a vision for an inner city stadium, maybe not now, maybe not next week, but sometime in the next decade... pwetty pwese there's votes in it if you're good."*

On the other hand if you really want to relive the debate, just read this thread...
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... ?f=7&t=602

Brought to you in the interests of a less whiny, more proactive forum.



* But perhaps more formally.

[Hippodamus]

it hasn't happened in 30 years at West Lakes (no entrepreneur has taken advantage of the fact that 50,000 people a week arrive at the stadium, mostly in private cars),

ummm, did you know that one of the city's largest shopping centres is located directly adjacent to footy park...

[cruel_world00]

I agree that the railyards are prime land. I agreee that we need a new hospital. I agree that a new stadium will bring untolled benefits to the CBD. Money is the issue here, how much money is the government able to spend? How much is the SANFL willing to give up and what are the priorities for the population as a whole? This requires a balanced approach, something that I think a few are missing.

Well if we aren't going to build a new stadium because the SANFL don't feel like moving, stoping ****ing giving them money for doing nothing but stagnating sport in this state. If they want to continue with AAMI Stadium, they can do so... but not on my tax dollars!

[Howie]

The first is to stop going around in ever decreasing circles. The second is if you actually want to do something constructive, form a group and get Howie to make a submission topic (if he's amicable) then work toward an actual submission on the topic to the entities who matter - Govt, sports bodies, business bodies, MHS, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...

I'm amicable. But i'm not sure if the government are ready to listen to submissions - they appear to have their minds made up .... haven't the tenders already gone out for that anyway?

[fasterthanlids]

I don't want to let emotion get the hold of me too much, but the crowd at Hindmarsh last night shows that SA sports fans can get behind major sporting events. An inner city stadium at some stage in the future (10 years say) will continue to gain traction if teams like Adelaide United continue to fight above their weight in major competitions and the state continues to miss out on major football games (ie WC qualifiers) to the Eastern states. Big games bring big crowds.

Rectangular stadium for the railyards!!!

[Düsseldorfer]

I don't want to let emotion get the hold of me too much, but the crowd at Hindmarsh last night shows that SA sports fans can get behind major sporting events. An inner city stadium at some stage in the future (10 years say) will continue to gain traction if teams like Adelaide United continue to fight above their weight in major competitions and the state continues to miss out on major football games (ie WC qualifiers) to the Eastern states. Big games bring big crowds.

Rectangular stadium for the railyards!!!

Here's one i quickly put together on Photoshop i didn't like that crap earlier proposal for a soccer stadium that had no roof, so here is an arena i think we should get in the near future (in the next 10-15 years):



but other important stuff is a priority until the funds become available, a new hospital and railway electrification!!

[bm7500]

I have a proposition. (Not an indecent one)

Unless we have something NEW to add to this debate, let's not waste bandwidth just going over and over the same argument.

We should all know the various stances now - actually I have two propositions.

The first is to stop going around in ever decreasing circles. The second is if you actually want to do something constructive, form a group and get Howie to make a submission topic (if he's amicable) then work toward an actual submission on the topic to the entities who matter - Govt, sports bodies, business bodies, MHS, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...

Something like "We the undersigned would REALLLY luv if the Government would come out with a vision for an inner city stadium, maybe not now, maybe not next week, but sometime in the next decade... pwetty pwese there's votes in it if you're good."*

On the other hand if you really want to relive the debate, just read this thread...
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... ?f=7&t=602

Brought to you in the interests of a less whiny, more proactive forum.



* But perhaps more formally.

Good suggestion Mono, i have been getting dizzy watching this topic go round and round and round in circles....

[Shuz]

A lot of people seem to be overlooking the prime development oppurtunities for the State Sports Park precinct (Santos, ETSA, etc.) for an inner-city stadium. I think its a very considerable and viable alternative to the railyards - pending the outcome of the Adelaide Hospital (god forbid I ever call that thing the Marj again).

If anything, the walking distance to the CBD from Santos Stadium is actually marginally on par from the MCG to Melbourne's CBD via the most direct pedestrian pathway, which would certainly guarantee prospect for increased social economical benefits to the CBD thereafter an event.

Santos > CBD (0.92km, exiting Main Grandstand, walking along S.D.B.D, to Grote St/West Tce intersection)

MCG > CBD (0.95km, exiting Member's Entrance, walking along pedestrian bridge to Batman Ave, to Flinders Street/Batman Ave intersection)

Can I have the bulldozer keys now?