Spoke at lengths to a Port Adelaide Enfield Councillor yesterday and asked him about the tram line extension.
Basically the portenf council paid $35k for a study into the extension to the port, and estimated that it would cost $200k+ for the extension. This report was presented to the state government (transport sa) as a request for funding assistance. Basically the council requires the state gov to get on board and throw a wad of cash into this project for it to take off, basically if there were to self fund this they'd have to jack up council rates by something like 50% - so it's impossible really without government support. Plus port enf council have other priorties at the moment also.. like newport quays, hanson road, parks community center etc.
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I think $200k is a bit optimistic, considering it's costing >$10m just from Vic Sq to the railway station.
I don't agree with the project anyway. There's a perfectly good heavy rail corridor, it's just under utilised because all the stations are crap. If they improved them, eg incorporated Pt Adel station into the shopping centre, then patronage might increase.
I don't agree with the project anyway. There's a perfectly good heavy rail corridor, it's just under utilised because all the stations are crap. If they improved them, eg incorporated Pt Adel station into the shopping centre, then patronage might increase.
The city of Port Adelaide Enfield is officially on drugs.Howie wrote:Spoke at lengths to a Port Adelaide Enfield Councillor yesterday and asked him about the tram line extension.
Basically the portenf council paid $35k for a study into the extension to the port, and estimated that it would cost $200k+ for the extension.
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Greetings all again from the outer region of Brisbane,
Congrats again on a vety informative site!!!.
After cruising around the site I hit this emotive little spot. As you know I am highly supportive considering the mess Brisbane is currently getting into. Not blessed with a grid network of straight level roads, the city infrastructure is bursting because they left things TOO LATE. (As with water - 24% left!).Adelaide, with it's slower population growth rate has the advantage of learning from the current mess here. (Population gain has been 1000 a week for years).
I bought a set of plans of the original tram system at it's largest for Adelaide to learn about the tram story and possibilities of resurrection effects. The current proposal is visionary. Of course it will have and associated problems - all being par for the course for new transport. Short sighted people need to look beyond their noses to see the economic gain. How much has SA spent on infraxtructure in the last 20 years?
Can any one give me a contact phone or email or address to one Mr. Wran? This whole thing really annoys me. :x
Congrats again on a vety informative site!!!.
After cruising around the site I hit this emotive little spot. As you know I am highly supportive considering the mess Brisbane is currently getting into. Not blessed with a grid network of straight level roads, the city infrastructure is bursting because they left things TOO LATE. (As with water - 24% left!).Adelaide, with it's slower population growth rate has the advantage of learning from the current mess here. (Population gain has been 1000 a week for years).
I bought a set of plans of the original tram system at it's largest for Adelaide to learn about the tram story and possibilities of resurrection effects. The current proposal is visionary. Of course it will have and associated problems - all being par for the course for new transport. Short sighted people need to look beyond their noses to see the economic gain. How much has SA spent on infraxtructure in the last 20 years?
Can any one give me a contact phone or email or address to one Mr. Wran? This whole thing really annoys me. :x
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http://www.ministers.sa.gov.au/ministers.php?id=1JRJ wrote:Can any one give me a contact phone or email or address to one Mr. Wran? This whole thing really annoys me.
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I do mean Mike Rahn. Sorry for misspelt name.
May I add to my previous post on this site today (Nov.13, 2006) that I am not supportive of the Port tramline, due to the presence of heavy rail and the possibilities of a vast increae in patronage that will occur in the future due to the new Port resi development and ancillory projects. Money better spent on lines where there are none at present.
May I add to my previous post on this site today (Nov.13, 2006) that I am not supportive of the Port tramline, due to the presence of heavy rail and the possibilities of a vast increae in patronage that will occur in the future due to the new Port resi development and ancillory projects. Money better spent on lines where there are none at present.
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I agree with this statement.JRJ wrote:...I am not supportive of the Port tramline, due to the presence of heavy rail and the possibilities of a vast increae in patronage that will occur in the future due to the new Port resi development and ancillory projects. Money better spent on lines where there are none at present.
I think in a few years time they should seriously look at re-establishing the Port Dock railway station and turning it into the Port's transport hub. A new tram line could run from here through Port Adelaide and its new developments across the river to a terminus at Semaphore Beach. The Port Dock station could also serve as a terminal for a new train service on the Rosewater-Dry Creek-Gawler line. Comments?
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If this tram extention doesnt go ahead because of this matter, im going to go of my head 
Trees to go for trams
November 26, 2006 12:15am
UP to 70 trees – including 45 plane trees on North Tce – will be sacrificed to make way for the $31 million tram extension.
Detailed plans reveal that the Government will have to cut down dozens of trees to build the 1.6km corridor from Victoria Square to the city's West End. Among the casualties will be:
TWENTY-FIVE trees in the centre of North Tce, between King William St and the tram terminus at the University of South Australia's City West Campus.
UP to 13 plane trees – including one significant tree – from the southern side of North Tce.
SEVEN plane trees from the northern side of North Tce, opposite Parliament House.
TWENTY-TWO trees – including two significant trees – from Victoria Square.
Another significant tree, a kurrajong, will have to be removed from the western side of Victoria Square but will be moved to a site to be determined by the Adelaide City Council.
Mature trees will be planted at alternative sites in Victoria Square.
The tree culling is detailed in the development application for the tram extension, lodged with the Development Assessment Commission this week.
In June last year, the Government shelved a budgeted $8.84 million upgrade to end traffic chaos at the Britannia Roundabout because it involved removing 66 trees.
Opposition Transport spokesman Martin Hamilton-Smith said it was a case of the Government's "left hand not knowing what its right hand was doing".
"There is no underlying strategy or sense in their approach," he said. "We have just had the beautification of one side of North Tce with the planting of many trees and, at the other end, we're pulling them out. It doesn't make sense."
His comments come as a University of SA traffic report says the tram extension will increase morning peak-hour travel times on key arterial routes in the CBD by more than a minute.
UniSA Transport Systems Centre said running trams through the city could increase westbound journeys along North Tce by an estimated 65 seconds between West and East terraces.
And the 1.2km southbound trip along King William Rd, between North Tce and Gouger St, could take an extra 58 seconds, according to the study.
Under the tram plan, right-hand turns in both directions along King William St will be banned at peak times to improve traffic flow.
Trees to go for trams
November 26, 2006 12:15am
UP to 70 trees – including 45 plane trees on North Tce – will be sacrificed to make way for the $31 million tram extension.
Detailed plans reveal that the Government will have to cut down dozens of trees to build the 1.6km corridor from Victoria Square to the city's West End. Among the casualties will be:
TWENTY-FIVE trees in the centre of North Tce, between King William St and the tram terminus at the University of South Australia's City West Campus.
UP to 13 plane trees – including one significant tree – from the southern side of North Tce.
SEVEN plane trees from the northern side of North Tce, opposite Parliament House.
TWENTY-TWO trees – including two significant trees – from Victoria Square.
Another significant tree, a kurrajong, will have to be removed from the western side of Victoria Square but will be moved to a site to be determined by the Adelaide City Council.
Mature trees will be planted at alternative sites in Victoria Square.
The tree culling is detailed in the development application for the tram extension, lodged with the Development Assessment Commission this week.
In June last year, the Government shelved a budgeted $8.84 million upgrade to end traffic chaos at the Britannia Roundabout because it involved removing 66 trees.
Opposition Transport spokesman Martin Hamilton-Smith said it was a case of the Government's "left hand not knowing what its right hand was doing".
"There is no underlying strategy or sense in their approach," he said. "We have just had the beautification of one side of North Tce with the planting of many trees and, at the other end, we're pulling them out. It doesn't make sense."
His comments come as a University of SA traffic report says the tram extension will increase morning peak-hour travel times on key arterial routes in the CBD by more than a minute.
UniSA Transport Systems Centre said running trams through the city could increase westbound journeys along North Tce by an estimated 65 seconds between West and East terraces.
And the 1.2km southbound trip along King William Rd, between North Tce and Gouger St, could take an extra 58 seconds, according to the study.
Under the tram plan, right-hand turns in both directions along King William St will be banned at peak times to improve traffic flow.
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