Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b

All high-rise, low-rise and street developments in areas other than the CBD and North Adelaide. Includes Port Adelaide and Glenelg.
Message
Author
User avatar
AG
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 2093
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:44 am
Location: Adelaide SA

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#151 Post by AG » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:51 pm

capitalist wrote:these types of developments should have at minimum and extension of the train line into them.

but we are in SA so I expect a minor road to be turned into a major road without substaintal development.
As has probably been mentioned previously, there is an opportunity to extend the existing train line from Virginia and upgrade the corridor to use by TransAdelaide on an electrified rail corridor (the line is currently operated by the ARTC and is already the correct gauge after the rest of the network is upgraded).

What does concern me is that there only seems to be one access road to Port Wakefield Road in and out of the development from looking at the plans. Hopefully what I'm looking at is outdated.

User avatar
Norman
Donating Member
Donating Member
Posts: 6488
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:06 pm

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#152 Post by Norman » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:20 pm

From ABC News:

P.K.
Sen-Rookie-Sational
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:53 pm

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#153 Post by P.K. » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:30 pm

Congrats Walkers, new town, new roads, new services, no burst water mains every day - where do I sign!!!

User avatar
AtD
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 4581
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:00 pm
Location: Sydney

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#154 Post by AtD » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:33 pm

P.K. wrote:Congrats Walkers, new town, new roads, new services, no burst water mains every day - where do I sign!!!
Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries
Helferstorferstrasse 17
A-1010
Vienna, Austria

User avatar
Prince George
Legendary Member!
Posts: 974
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:02 pm
Location: Melrose Park

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#155 Post by Prince George » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:20 pm

AtD wrote:
P.K. wrote:Congrats Walkers, new town, new roads, new services, no burst water mains every day - where do I sign!!!
Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries
Helferstorferstrasse 17
A-1010
Vienna, Austria
Even more than the petrol that will be used, I'm fed up with this constant increase of suburb after suburb. It's just so boring. It's crap like this that earns us the "big country town" tag.

No stat about Adelaide bothers me quite as much as the flight from the city by 20-35 year olds, especially because the ones that are most likely to leave are the ones with good prospects - the clever, energetic, creative people. The kind of people that can build new wealth in a city that's scratching around for ideas. And where are they going? Certainly to Melbourne or Sydney, but also to places like London, San Francisco, or Berlin. Crowded, busy places, teeming with people and energy, not sleepy quiet suburbs out in the back of a salt flat whose appeals include "no burst water mains". To a large extent, what we're building is determining who we're attracting. Build a sleepy city, get sleepy people, expect a sleepy economy too.

User avatar
Splashmo
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 373
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:14 pm
Location: Adelaide

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#156 Post by Splashmo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:28 pm

Mr Holloway seems to hold onto the bizarre idea that people should move in first, and then the transport links will come later. As if that's going to happen when the new suburb is packed full of houses...

The shuttle bus to Virginia is a joke. Virginia has two bus services to Salisbury in the morning and two from Salisbury in the late afternoon. That's it. Virginia itself has one supermarket and not much else. The car will rule in this suburb, and people who flock to cheap land will be sorely disappointed as soon as petrol goes up.

User avatar
monotonehell
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 5466
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:10 am
Location: Adelaide, East End.
Contact:

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#157 Post by monotonehell » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:42 pm

Dear developers,

You're doing it all wrong.

Please stop.

:(

Also, PK said:
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... 7&sr=posts
12 posts all pro Buckland Park, except the one about a similar effort in TwoWells, no other involvement in this community.

Care to declare your interests?
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

P.K.
Sen-Rookie-Sational
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:53 pm

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#158 Post by P.K. » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:44 pm

monotonehell wrote: Also, PK said:
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... 7&sr=posts
12 posts all pro Buckland Park, except the one about a similar effort in TwoWells, no other involvement in this community.

Care to declare your interests?
I thinks its a good idea, I already live there, its a nice place.

Things to consider;
- not everyone wants to on ride public transport
- some people like to drive their cars and ride their motorbikes
- some people don't like the city or the inner suburbs
- king tides have NEVER effected this area while the salt pans have been in place
- measures to prevent flooding are being put in place, but sometimes you cant stop mother nature.
(I don't think we should tear down all the buildings in Port Adelaide because it floods )
- no matter where an additional 30,000 people live around Adelaide, they will still require power and water
- how many new subdivisions around Adelaide have blocks around 800m2?
- How many people who know so much about this "god forsaken place" have every been there?
- Not everyone comments on a forum to winge like a sookyfuckinlala

User avatar
Prince George
Legendary Member!
Posts: 974
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:02 pm
Location: Melrose Park

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#159 Post by Prince George » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:10 pm

P.K. wrote:Things to consider;
- not everyone wants to on ride public transport
- some people like to drive their cars and ride their motorbikes
- some people don't like the city or the inner suburbs
- king tides have NEVER effected this area while the salt pans have been in place
- measures to prevent flooding are being put in place, but sometimes you cant stop mother nature.
(I don't think we should tear down all the buildings in Port Adelaide because it floods )
- no matter where an additional 30,000 people live around Adelaide, they will still require power and water
- how many new subdivisions around Adelaide have blocks around 800m2?
- How many people who know so much about this "god forsaken place" have every been there?
- Not everyone comments on a forum to winge like a sookyfuckinlala
Yes, yes, we know all this. Here's the thing -

If you want a place to live that accomodates driving, offers traditional homes, on traditional blocks, you've already got the whole city to choose from. Apart from perhaps Glenelg, Norwood and the city centre, the overwhelming majority of the city is made up of freestanding homes (with the occasional smattering of old two storey units, like along ANZAC Highway) on broad streets. From Seaford, through Unley and Prospect, and up to Elizabeth. And what are we doing? We're building more - 30,000 more.

Meanwhile, the average number of people in an Australian household is falling, as family sizes shrink and there are an increasing number of couples without children and people remaining single. A hundred years ago it was 4.5 people per household, 50 years ago it was 3.5, now it's just over 2.5. But at the same time, the population is growing. Put those two together, and you have the number of households in Australia is growing at a faster rate than the population. Between 1996 and 2006, the total population grew by 13%, but the total number of households grew by 18%; if you compare with 1976, our population grew by 47%, but households grew by 83%.

And where are these smaller households living? Well, they live in practically the only housing option that is available to them: freestanding homes with a couple of bedrooms and a yard. The fact that they are all in the market for these houses just serves to drive their price up and push families into a bad situation. The people that could make the most use of these houses can't afford them, because they're being used by people who don't really need them and in many cases don't especially want them.

So it may sound paradoxical at first, but now you can see the logic behind it - if you want to make traditional housing more affordable, build more multistory apartments. Give the young singles, the professional couples, and the retirees alternative places to live, and you start freeing up the existing housing stock for families. Heck, there are families - like us - that are interested in living in something like that, freeing up another 700sqm block in the process.

But maybe people like me are just 'sookyfuckinlala's. Maybe, maybe, but I'll be interested to see who's whinging when petrol prices rise again.

User avatar
Norman
Donating Member
Donating Member
Posts: 6488
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:06 pm

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#160 Post by Norman » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:19 am

P.K. wrote:- not everyone wants to on ride public transport
Sure, but people should be given the opportunity to have good access to fast, efficient public transport as a viable alternative. Even living across the road from a major train station doesn't stop you from driving your car to work.

User avatar
Omicron
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 2336
Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:46 pm

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#161 Post by Omicron » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:51 pm

Do not want. A dreadful idea.

how_good_is_he
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 238
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:32 pm

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#162 Post by how_good_is_he » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:33 am

With the army battalion coming [Edinburgh] - could defence housing be the main purpose for Buckland Park?

Has Walker said definately whether Buckland Park will change its name?

I think a change will help, so to the forum, any suggestions on a new name?

User avatar
monotonehell
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 5466
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:10 am
Location: Adelaide, East End.
Contact:

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#163 Post by monotonehell » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:06 pm

how_good_is_he wrote:With the army battalion coming [Edinburgh] - could defence housing be the main purpose for Buckland Park?

Has Walker said definately whether Buckland Park will change its name?

I think a change will help, so to the forum, any suggestions on a new name?
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/305250.html
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

User avatar
drsmith
Legendary Member!
Posts: 513
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:35 pm
Location: Perth

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#164 Post by drsmith » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:30 pm

how_good_is_he wrote:I think a change will help, so to the forum, any suggestions on a new name?
I can just see a big picture of John Denver on the advertising board facing Port Wakefield Road.

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
...................

Perhaps not.

User avatar
ChrisRT
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 88
Joined: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:24 am
Location: Radelaide!

Re: #PRO: Buckland Park Development

#165 Post by ChrisRT » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:16 pm

Some people seem to be pretty upset about this project. I've no problem with it, provided Walker Corp pays for all the utilities.

I've no intention of living way out in the burbs, but I guess some people must want to otherwise the project wouldn't make business sense.

It may seem like the middle of nowhere at the moment but the government has made its intentions clear that it wants more employment growth to occur north of the city in the coming decades.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot] and 1 guest