Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

[skyliner]

You know it really gets ugly when the main roads through such suburbs become lined with timber sound barrier walls - which later go black from weathering and are 'decorated' by graffiti as well - you see nothing but kilometres of walls - take in Bris. suburbs for example. I don't know of any such walls yet in Adelaide and hope they never come - aesthetic pollution!! Worse that rows of slum houses. No good for using landmarks to find your way around either.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[drsmith]

To see planning for future urban sprawl at it's finest check out the Marmion Avenue extension (on nearmap) north of Perth to Yanchep.

While it is currently single carriageway across undeveloped bushland the land for the second carriageway has allready been cleared and roundabouts build for future street connections.
http://www.nearmap.com/

While freeway and railway corridoors into the Perth CBD can be extended the freeway inparticular suffers from severe congestion during peak periods. At least the area to de developed is not productive farmland.

[Port Adelaide Fan]

Urban sprawl pushes Adelaide past 100km
Article from: The Advertiser
DANIEL WILLS
January 04, 2010 12:01am

URBAN sprawl is stretching Adelaide to breaking point and the inner city and surrounding suburbs must be the primary focus for development, leaders warn.

As the State Government prepares to release Adelaide's most significant planning document in decades, development experts and mayors have called for a higher-density CBD and restrained suburban sprawl.

This means revising building codes and allowing more multi-storey residential developments in the city centre.

The provision and cost of infrastructure, from power to water, community facilities and public transport, is under strain because of the continual sprawl of the city from north to south.

Development experts have also demanded denser living in the inner-metropolitan area to make full use of existing infrastructure and minimise the environmental cost of long-distance travel.

The city now spans almost 100km between Gawler and Sellicks Beach.

30-YEAR PLAN FOR GREATER ADELAIDE: Click here to view the government website.

Gawler Mayor Brian Sambell said the town already was dealing with a population boom it was not equipped to handle.

"Our main street was built for the horse and cart; it wasn't built for 25,000 cars a day like we're having at the moment," Mr Sambell said.

"We're pushed to the limit, definitely, already."

The State Government last week announced "interim" changes to the draft 30-year Plan for Greater Adelaide and redirected thousands of new residents planned for the Barossa and Gawler region to the northern suburbs.

Lord Mayor Michael Harbison also has welcomed a swelling in the CBD population increase target by 11,000 to 27,300 but said the goal remained "modest".

He said the CBD's population must expand rapidly to support peak business services ahead of the promised mining boom.

"There's every chance we won't benefit from that mining boom if we don't make a real effort to add value. There's a chance the fly-in-fly-out will come from Melbourne," he said.

Urban Development Institute of Australia SA executive director Terry Walsh said demand for suburban living would remain high but efficient use of infrastructure was maximised in denser cities.

"Adelaide has a wonderful asset in the parklands, but compare it with other great open spaces in cities throughout the world and they rate low," he said. "Let's encourage people to live nearby, within the CBD . . . so they can treat the parklands as their respected backyards."

Australian Institute of Architects SA chapter president Tim Horton said now was "the right time to ask what we want our city to be in the future". He offered New York's West Village, dominated by townhouses and five-to-six-storey apartment blocks, as a model.

Urban Development and Planning Minister Paul Holloway said "most" of the forecast growth would be restricted to the city's current borders.

"By putting a renewed focus on infill development, the plan will make the most of existing infrastructure but, just as importantly, put people's homes close to where they work, where they shop and where they can access all the necessary services," he said.

Adelaide now

[rhino]

A kinda related article from today's Adelaide Now:

Adelaide's rivers protected from urban sprawl
DANIEL WILLS, POLITICAL REPORTER
January 06, 2010 10:30am

PARKS along vital waterways will be protected to provide critical open space as Adelaide moves towards denser living, the State Government says.
Minister for Urban Development and Planning Paul Holloway said new legislation stopping the sale of land along the River Torrens, Dry Creek, Christies Creek and Gawler River would protect our riverways from urban sprawl.
He said plans to increase the density of residential development within the metropolitan area made retaining the integrity of key waterways "imperative".
"It is important for current and future South Australians that the open space along Adelaide's significant waterways is protected not only from the encroachment of urban sprawl but also the temptation to sell off government land to fund reckless spending promises," he said.
Mr Holloway says the Rann Government had spent more than $10 million upgrading key linear parks.
"These waterways provide important green corridors through the metropolitan area that help promote biodiversity and create a more attractive and liveable environment for our community," he said.
"Linear parks provide open space, encourage greater biodiversity within urban areas, provide cycling and pedestrian links within communities and create buffers between suburbs."

[Straze]

Oh my god just because Two Wells has no public transport does not me it is going to be a car dependent town, not everyone works in the flaming CBD or goes there for the fun of it. How do you know that the residents wont work local? Did you know that in Melbourne people generally dont go to the CBD unless they work there or need to go there. I know some of you on this forum would prefer to infill, you know what so would I yet some people just one to live in a house with a big backyard where you can grow a veggie patch, have chickens, let their pets and children run free and most of get away from all the hustle and bustle of the city.

[Splashmo]

Oh my god just because Two Wells has no public transport does not me it is going to be a car dependent town, not everyone works in the flaming CBD or goes there for the fun of it. How do you know that the residents wont work local? Did you know that in Melbourne people generally dont go to the CBD unless they work there or need to go there. I know some of you on this forum would prefer to infill, you know what so would I yet some people just one to live in a house with a big backyard where you can grow a veggie patch, have chickens, let their pets and children run free and most of get away from all the hustle and bustle of the city.

If there's no public transport then how do you seriously expect people to get around without a car? Not necessarily to go to the CBD but even to go to Elizabeth or Salisbury to shop or go to the bank or the doctor?

[rhino]

If there's no public transport then how do you seriously expect people to get around without a car? Not necessarily to go to the CBD but even to go to Elizabeth or Salisbury to shop or go to the bank or the doctor?

Well, the same way they do in Booleroo Centre, or Tailem Bend, where there's also no public transport.

[Prince George]

If there's no public transport then how do you seriously expect people to get around without a car? Not necessarily to go to the CBD but even to go to Elizabeth or Salisbury to shop or go to the bank or the doctor?

Well, the same way they do in Booleroo Centre, or Tailem Bend, where there's also no public transport.

What were you getting at there, Rhino? Tailem Bend is less than 1500 people, Booleroo Centre is less than 500. This development proposes 5-6,000 people.

[rhino]

What was I getting at.

Straze made the comment that this does not have to be a commuter town, and, as I said in an earlier post, if it is just growing Two Wells, which would need industry added to make it work, then it's a good thing. If that is the case, then is public transport really a requirement? I just pulled those two towns out of the air. Millicent and Naracoorte have populations between 5000 and 6000, and neither of them have public transport. If Two Wells grows to that size, it will likely have similar services to those two towns, and if the residents want something that is only offered in a bigger centre, then they can do what people all over the rest of this state do - use the transport that's available.

Even if Two Wells is getting developed with the intention of being a commuter town, it would only need similar services to and from Adelaide as a place like Victor Harbor, Port Elliot or Goolwa has.

[monotonehell]

What was I getting at.

Straze made the comment that this does not have to be a commuter town, and, as I said in an earlier post, if it is just growing Two Wells, which would need industry added to make it work, then it's a good thing. If that is the case, then is public transport really a requirement? I just pulled those two towns out of the air. Millicent and Naracoorte have populations between 5000 and 6000, and neither of them have public transport. If Two Wells grows to that size, it will likely have similar services to those two towns, and if the residents want something that is only offered in a bigger centre, then they can do what people all over the rest of this state do - use the transport that's available.

Even if Two Wells is getting developed with the intention of being a commuter town, it would only need similar services to and from Adelaide as a place like Victor Harbor, Port Elliot or Goolwa has.

All those places are car dependent - if you live in the country you NEED a car to get around. Many services are in the next town, most of the MidNorth go to Pirie to shop.

[rhino]

All those places are car dependent - if you live in the country you NEED a car to get around. Many services are in the next town, most of the MidNorth go to Pirie to shop.

Exactly. That's the point. Two Wells is country, so it doesn't need to be treated like a suburb.

[Splashmo]

Exactly. That's the point. Two Wells is country, so it doesn't need to be treated like a suburb.

Let's get realistic here. Two Wells is less than 10km north of Buckland Park and only 40km from the CBD. It's not country like Tailem Bend, Naracoorte or Booleroo Centre.

[rhino]

If there's no public transport then how do you seriously expect people to get around without a car? Not necessarily to go to the CBD but even to go to Elizabeth or Salisbury to shop or go to the bank or the doctor?

Well, the same way they do in Booleroo Centre, or Tailem Bend, where there's also no public transport.

Let's get realistic here. Two Wells is less than 10km north of Buckland Park and only 40km from the CBD. It's not country like Tailem Bend, Naracoorte or Booleroo Centre.

What on earth does it's distance from Buckland park have to do with your original reason for wanting public transport? Which was for people to go shop, or to the bank, or to the doctor?

[AtD]

None of these places are exactly a hive of economic activity...

[Wilfy 2007]

I think this is the right thread?? From AdelaideNow.com.au:

Plan for SA 'super town'

Article from: Sunday Mail (SA)

RENATO CASTELLO

October 18, 2009 12:01am

EXCLUSIVE: THE masterplan for a multi-billion-dollar town of more than 18,000 homes and 46,000 people, earmarked for Adelaide's north, has finally been released.

Seven primary and high schools and a tertiary institution, offices, shops, two commuter train stations and a water recycling plant are all envisioned for the new community.

The Sunday Mail can reveal the Macquarie Group's land development arm, Urban Pacific, has drawn up the masterplan to expand the little-known town of Concordia, east of Gawler.

About 2500ha of farm land would be developed over a 40-year period but, contingent on state planning approval, work could start as early as 2011 with the first houses available in 2012.

Among the features proposed for the town are:

18,400 ALLOTMENTS spread across five neighbourhoods and a town centre housing more than 46,000 people.

TWO TRAIN stations linked to the Gawler rail line, with the extended rail line to be funded by the developer.

FIVE PRIMARY schools, two high schools and a tertiary institution.

OFFICES and shops to support an estimated 6570 jobs.

A WASTE-WATER treatment plant to provide recycled water for irrigation.

New roads would be built to link the town with the Barossa Valley Hwy to the south and the Sturt Hwy and the new Northern Expressway.

Details of the new town were revealed in a publicly available submission to the State Government's draft 30-year plan for Greater Metropolitan Adelaide - one of 578 submissions received during public consultation which closed last month.

"The vision for the new Concordia township is to create a large-scale sustainable and largely self-contained new town," said the submission, prepared by Jensen Planning and Design on behalf of Urban Pacific.

"The township will provide for diversity of housing for ages and incomes and include high density, medium and lower density areas.

"Barossa Council members have indicated their in-principle support (subject to a full investigation and community consultation) and their preparedness to promote future rezoning of the land for urban purposes."

Construction of the town would require the State Government to rezone the land from rural to urban.

In its 30-year growth strategy, the Government has identified Concordia, Roseworthy and Mallala as key areas potentially housing more than 140,000 people by 2040. In December 2007, the Government extended the urban growth boundary to include this area.

The Jensen submission said Urban Pacific was "working" with landowners who control about 2500ha of land to establish the new community.

The Sunday Mail understands Urban Pacific has options to buy the land contingent on the Government approving the rezoning.

Barossa Mayor Brian Hurn said the council had been aware of the project for "quite some time" and supported the establishment of a new town centre at Concordia.

"What the council has said is that we need to have some further information and further investigation into the detail," he said.

"The council would very much prefer to have a new sustainable town in that area rather than unco-ordinated sprawl of Gawler.

"It is, if you like, a way of endeavouring to preserve the integrity of the Barossa."

Planning Minister Paul Holloway's media spokesman, Owen Brown, said Barossa Council and Urban Pacific had approached the Minister in early 2008 "flagging" their interest in a master-planned community in Concordia.

"This is the sort of proposal that the Government is hoping to encourage by putting the 30-year plan out to consultation as well as by adjusting the urban growth boundary back in 2007," he said.

"This submission will be considered along with the more than 500 submissions received through the community consultation on the 30-year plan."

Urban Pacific SA general manager Mark Divine did not respond before the Sunday Mail's deadline.

Jensen Planning and Design director Peter Jensen referred the paper to Urban Pacific's senior acquisitions manager Chris Bradley, but he was overseas and unavailable for comment.

That's quite a significant development! I spose the Gawler Line would be renamed the Concordia Line then, kinda has a ring to it...

Gidday,
Is this development not different from the Gawler East development.
Also in the 30 year development pdf, the Plan/drawing indicates there could be a branch line going into Concordia which is seperate from the Barossa line.
I wonder what will happen in the long term.
Regards,