[COM] Adelaide Oval Redevelopment

[Kal El]

I would think the attendance numbers would increase but I am not sure the increase would be enough to warrant a 27K plus stadium for one tenant. Wouldn’t a 27K plus stadium be too big and expensive for United to use?

Let’s face it AO is the best use for any stadium upgrade in this city for a possible future venue for WC outside of AFL, Cricket and anyone who will use the ground on the odd occasion.

This legacy that people talk about not benefiting soccer if we get the WC it isn’t just in SA this will be the case in most stadiums in the Australian bid. These stadiums will benefit other codes of football AFL/NRL and the first that springs to mind that is more soccer purpose built is AAMI Park but it isn’t even in the bid due not being FIFA compliant (as far as I am aware).

So I ask what do/did soccer people expect that Australia would turn on its head and make soccer the number one most attended game? It may be the most participated game in the country but it is miles behind AFL in attendance and a stadium debate is about attendance.

[flavze]

I would think the attendance numbers would increase but I am not sure the increase would be enough to warrant a 27K plus stadium for one tenant. Wouldn’t a 27K plus stadium be too big and expensive for United to use?

Let’s face it AO is the best use for any stadium upgrade in this city for a possible future venue for WC outside of AFL, Cricket and anyone who will use the ground on the odd occasion.

This legacy that people talk about not benefiting soccer if we get the WC it isn’t just in SA this will be the case in most stadiums in the Australian bid. These stadiums will benefit other codes of football AFL/NRL and the first that springs to mind that is more soccer purpose built is AAMI Park but it isn’t even in the bid due not being FIFA compliant (as far as I am aware).

So I ask what do/did soccer people expect that Australia would turn on its head and make soccer the number one most attended game? It may be the most participated game in the country but it is miles behind AFL in attendance and a stadium debate is about attendance.

i think AUFC could average around the 15-25k mark crowd wise at a 27k inner city stadium which i think could be economical with the major % of it being fed funded so as the state government doesn't have to recoup so much of an investment.
AAMI park is a FIFA compliant stadium, just not WC standard simply due to capacity. It has the foundations to be expanded but due to an roof design that favours beauty over form and practicality is cost prohibitive to upgrade temporarily. If the two melbourne soccer clubs grow to filling it week in week out theirs a chance it will get upgraded permantly for and after the WC and used in the event.

Plus the NRL has made a few rumblings from time to time about expanding into Adelaide in the past and a decent quality stadium will only encourage that and also promote the chances of getting rugby union, league and socceroos matches in Adelaide without having to juggle them around AFL and Cricket fixtures and deal with an overused substandard surface that is pretty much standard at heavily used multi-purpose stadiums.

[ricecrackers]

this is pointless...its clear where the biases of each forum member lies, no sense repeating old ground..the first time was enough

at the end of the day I think this Adelaide Oval solution will turn into a fiasco and a blowout of monumental proportions

whats being built already I think is disastrous..such an ugly roof. we really do struggle for design excellence in this town...at least in the last 100 years.

[Kal El]

Yes that’s right due to the size of AAMI Park I knew it something like that why it wasn't in the bid. Anyway I would think United would want to get 20k plus average to a 27k stadium and like I said the trending for United doesn't help the cause of getting a new stadium let alone works done to Hindmarsh. Hindmarsh has been a white elephant until recent times so I wouldn't think Labor or the Libs would be ready to take a risk on a 27k stadium that capacity use could be questionable.

That could be argued why the two Adelaide teams should get a "leg up" from Labor but AFL is more bankable product to increase its crowds quicker and for long term..... That can also depend if Adelaide eventually warms to AO which I think they will.

I wouldn't bank on the NRL doing anything in Adelaide anytime as if they thought it was a market to move into they would be doing a lot more work than playing 3 odd games here with I think 2 more to happen or have they scrapped that? I would think Hindmarsh would be a good start for the NRL if they are serious about it as they wouldn’t expect to set the world on fire in regards to crowd numbers and I would think they would be careful having a new team playing at a 27k stadium with little crowds to start with and the revenue needed to stay afloat at such a stadium.

Is there any rumblings of a second A League team? I haven’t heard anything

[ricecrackers]

there's nothing wrong with the trending at Adelaide United as far as crowds go FFS
they finished on the bottom of the ladder and played 6 more rounds, yet still they maintained their crowds.

like i said...you've already made your point..the same one umpteen times

[Kal El]

there's nothing wrong with the trending at Adelaide United as far as crowds go FFS
they finished on the bottom of the ladder and played 6 more rounds, yet still they maintained their crowds.

like i said...you've already made your point..the same one umpteen times

Prove it to me otherwise about the trending at Hindmarsh..... The figures I have tell me otherwise and anyway they are not setting the world on fire to prove they are worthy of a bigger stadium at this point.

I have to keep making my point because soccer people keep banging on about a new rectangular stadium starting to sound like Moving Pictures/Shannon Noll or the insurance ad “what about me” in this case “soccer”

I am happy and would like to get back to the thread in regards to design points of AO and not keep having to talk about a stadium that isn't even on the table let alone an option at this point!

[ricecrackers]

congratulations...the result of the moronic intelligence level of the two bobbers in charge of the sport the rest of the world has never heard of...

FFA chairman Frank Lowy says stadia squabble could hurt World Cup bid
By Liam FitzGibbon and Laine Clark
May 28, 2010
Frank Lowy has admitted the "unnecessary" squabbling between football codes over stadia may have hurt Australia's bid to host the 2018 or 2022 FIFA World Cup.

But the Football Federation Australia chairman is remaining defiant in the face of the latest criticism of Australia's bid to host the showpiece tournament.

Leading football industry website World Football Insider this week produced a damning assessment of Australia's bid, saying it had plummeted to seventh-best due to recent stadia dramas involving the AFL.

But Lowy slammed the report as "a lot of nonsense" before taking another pot shot at the AFL's hard-line approach to stadium availability.

"There are 24 people who are going to make that decision (FIFA executive committee) and the people who write about it have no idea what they are talking about," he said.

"Did it hurt us the squabbles about the stadia? Yes.

"Did it hurt us very badly? Not that badly.

"But I would have preferred not to have it because it should have and could have been sorted out totally differently.

"The squabble wasn't necessary."

The AFL's decision to put its 54,000-seat Etihad Stadium off limits left Victoria with just two venues - the MCG and Geelong's Skilled Stadium - compared to a combined five in NSW/ACT.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou hit back at Lowy, claiming his code had been a "fantastic supporter" of the World Cup bid.

"The AFL was fully cooperative during the whole World Cup bid process," said Demetriou, after being told of Lowy's comments.

"We have publicly stated we are supportive of the bid, we have given up five venues, which is the most of any code, to help the World Cup bid.

"... I am not sure where those comments came from but it might have been confused with 'grateful to the AFL'."

Lowy reiterated his disappointment at the approach taken by the AFL.

"I don't think they did the right thing," he said.

"But we are all here now.

" ... In Japan, the baseball laid down for the football World Cup and they had it.

"I think it could have been a bit easier here."

AAP

[stumpjumper]

Quite apart from estimates of the popularity of different codes in a decade's time, there are other developments going on that could affect attendances rather than followings.

Namely. the likely state of home theatre technology in 2020. In Europe there are full houses for major rounds, but for lesser matches where the stadia might expect to earn their bread and butter, attendances can be pretty low.

If huge screens and 3D images become cheap enough for most homes, you have to wonder what that will do to ongoing viability of 50,000 seat regional stadia. Channel 9 is apparently experimenting with filling empty seats with digital punters.

The economics of taking the family to the footy (any code) versus watching at home with 3D, surround sound, replay on demand, comfy chairs and full strength beer might become a crucial factor in years to come.

[Hooligan]

I dedicate this song to this thread:

[Prince George]

I dedicate this song to this thread:
<song that made my morning brighter>

Or a less amusing version of

[JamesXander]

To Stumpjumper please, for the sake of humanity stop spamming these threads.


To Ricecrackers, when Adelaide United demonstrate it can fill hindmrash perhaps a bigger stadiums may be an option. Or better yet, how about a sustainable Adelaide United?
As for the world cup, OMG BUILD STADIUMS I WANT DA WORLD CUP. Its not going to happen mate, read this article by Channel Seven finacial reporter Michael Pascoe http://www.watoday.com.au/business/bewa ... -krcb.html


READ IT!

[ricecrackers]

To Stumpjumper please, for the sake of humanity stop spamming these threads.


To Ricecrackers, when Adelaide United demonstrate it can fill hindmrash perhaps a bigger stadiums may be an option. Or better yet, how about a sustainable Adelaide United?
As for the world cup, OMG BUILD STADIUMS I WANT DA WORLD CUP. Its not going to happen mate, read this article by Channel Seven finacial reporter Michael Pascoe http://www.watoday.com.au/business/bewa ... -krcb.html


READ IT!

you're quoting a Channel 7 reporter and you expect credibility?


seriously, you need to go buy some perspective mate

[stumpjumper]

Spamming? The effect of home watching on attendances was an angle of this that hasn't been mentioned.

As a matter of record for those interested:

SANFL boss Leigh Whicker suggested on ABC radio this afternoon (Sat 1:15pm) that there is a further $8 million from the SA government.

The total is now $450 million + $85 million + $8 million = $543 million, a figure he repeated.

He was also at pains to make it clear that 'football' - I assume he meant AFL/SANFL - was invited to join the AO redevelopment - it did not initiate it. (Kevin Foley insists that the government was approached - so the proposition must have come from SACA.)

Whicker also said that staying at West Lakes is out of the question for football, because 'there is no possibility of generating any more income from West Lakes, because there are simply no funds available to improve the site.'

Whicker went on to say that by the August deadline the SMA will have a $543 million stadium fully designed and ready to build, and if on December 2nd Australia gets the WC then SMA will be able to add the further $250 million to the design.

He added that the Adelaide Oval playing surface would be laser levelled.

[crawf]

Whicker also said that staying at West Lakes is out of the question for football, because 'there is no possibility of generating any more income from West Lakes, because there are simply no funds available to improve the site.'

I thought I would never hear those words from Leigh Whicker.

If huge screens and 3D images become cheap enough for most homes, you have to wonder what that will do to ongoing viability of 50,000 seat regional stadia. Channel 9 is apparently experimenting with filling empty seats with digital punters.

The economics of taking the family to the footy (any code) versus watching at home with 3D, surround sound, replay on demand, comfy chairs and full strength beer might become a crucial factor in years to come.

It doesn't matter what technology they bring out, it will never be the same then going to a large stadium and seeing the action in real life. However saying that, it would most likely hurt AAMI Stadium due to the poor location, transport and outdated facilities.

[Prince George]

I wouldn't describe what you're doing as spamming, SJ, but you hide the useful information and perspectives that you provide in a layer of inflamatory rhetoric and perjorative diatribes.

BTW, attendance at all forms of football have been falling over the last few years.