#Official Mining Thread

Developments in Regional South Australia. Including Port Lincoln, Victor Harbor, Wallaroo, Gawler and Mount Barker.
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#901 Post by skyliner » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:56 pm

Wayno wrote:
skyliner wrote:Anyone picked up outflows for ODX after J Gill changed the ming tax? I have read in AFR about scaling down the size from $20b opencut to underground mining as well. (Possible proposition only through one Marius Kloppers). Affected by WA opening up uranium mining as well. Hope none of this occurs but goes ahead as originally put.
BHP has been adamantly denying any change of plans (away from open cut) in several recent media reports. The revised tax regime does not impact ODX at all.

Rough timeline remains as follows:
* Late-2010: BHP responds to public EIS concerns
* Later-2010: BHP provides open cut plans to Govt for review
* Early/Mid-2011: Govt & BHP agree way forward
* Late-2011 (or later): BHP gets going on open cut expansion (all being well)
Wayno, what could impact ODX is 'how much money' BHP has for it after losses from it's iron ore and coal interests. BTW i haven't seen anything of what you have said about no changes over here in the east mate - but then - SA would get more of the news.

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#902 Post by Wayno » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:18 pm

skyliner wrote:Wayno, what could impact ODX is 'how much money' BHP has for it after losses from it's iron ore and coal interests. BTW i haven't seen anything of what you have said about no changes over here in the east mate - but then - SA would get more of the news.
Agree skyliner, it's difficult to tell exactly what's going on as we're all getting 2nd hand news via the media (rather than BHP making its own public announcements). Frustrating.
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#903 Post by Waewick » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:19 pm

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 5895997195

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the mining boom is now over before it started, all we are going to get is royalties and a big f'ing hole in the round
BHP Billiton has told financial services staff in its Adelaide office their jobs are being moved overseas and interstate.
A company spokeswoman said BHP regularly reviewed its roles and functions. "The company will be relocating some positions next year, but overall the company plans to increase its numbers in Adelaide by the year's end and again next year," she said.
plans i'm sure, the fact is there is no need for BHP to increase its staff along with any other mining group.

luckily for us the state governement has other ideas for the employment opportunities of this state


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#904 Post by Wayno » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:24 pm

capitalist wrote:the fact is there is no need for BHP to increase its staff along with any other mining group.
Capitalist, source please? or is this simply your own personal opinion?

As always another 'quality' article from AdelaideNow. It's definitely worth cutting down trees to produce this newspaper (where the vomit smily icon when you need it?)

That being said, I agree it's a shame these jobs are being moved. Fingers crossed that those affected (and not willing to relocate) find alternate positions with BHP in the local office.
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#905 Post by AtD » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:25 pm

150 redundancies = SFA, even for Adelaide. Happens all the time. It's a shame for the employees concerned, but I wouldn't use it as an excuse to start panicking about the broader economy.

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#906 Post by Waewick » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:45 pm

Wayno wrote:
capitalist wrote:the fact is there is no need for BHP to increase its staff along with any other mining group.
Capitalist, source please? or is this simply your own personal opinion?
my apologies I shouldn't have used "fact", that is my opinion but one formed after a few chats with miners and mining execs (from small compnies of course) that suggest the same.

Also 150 jobs isn't anything to get excited about, its the lack of other jobs that will come here that is the concern, why would any company bring jobs to Adelaide? in the "global economy" there is no need to move them from WA or NSW/QLD regardless of where the operations are at....and even then those workers are fly in, fly out so the best we get is a sort of busy airport.

my major issue with mining has always been the fact this state is really going to get nothing out of it apart from royalties which we seemed to have pissed against the wall so far anyway.

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#907 Post by Wayno » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:29 am

Sick 'em Rex!
Copper find excites Rex

A SIGNIFICANT copper find in South Australia will be in the top 25 per cent of the world's existing and undeveloped open-pit copper projects, says the Australian explorer that located the deposit.

Rex Minerals said yesterday that the copper deposit, discovered on South Australia's Yorke Peninsula, is expected to result in a jobs boom for the state's Ardrossan region.

"This is a significant boost to Yorke Peninsula," Rex chief executive Steven Olsen said. "We've already got 20 staff plus the drilling crew there but you obviously could get into the hundreds of people employed (once a mine was developed).

"Ongoing drilling success could soon show that Hillside is one of Australia's largest copper projects behind Olympic Dam and Mt Isa."

Rex yesterday told the stock exchange it had an inferred resource equal to 700,000 tonnes of copper and 650,000 ounces of gold, based on drilling results from one-third of the site.

Hillside's target is now up to 2.3 million tonnes of copper and annual production estimates could go beyond those produced by OZ Mineral's $1.2 billion Prominent Hill mine in the state's north.

South Australian Chamber of Mines and Energy chief executive Jason Kuchel was cautiously optimistic about the potential.

"They've still got a way to go," he said. "Most people want to get a mine life of more than 7-10 years ... certainly it's shaping up to be a very promising resource."

Proximity to roads, ports, power and the city would cut mine development making it a "win-win" for the company and communities on Yorke Peninsula, Mr Kuchel said.

Mr Olsen said most of the copper and gold found at Hillside was only 10m below the surface making the deposit well suited to shallow, large-scale, low-cost bulk mining.

Meanwhile, Rex has $31.5 million in cash to continue drilling its targets over the next 18 months to further hone its resources estimates.

It would go to its shareholders for further funding down the track.

Rex shares closed 8 per cent, or 14, higher at $1.81.
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#908 Post by JamesXander » Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:28 pm

Linc Energy recently sold a coal mine to an Indian company for $500m cash, and $2 per tonne royatlies, which will net it over 2.5b over the life of its mine. How does this relate to SA?

Well Linc Energy is a UCG company (Underground Coal Gasification), and had originally focussed on their Queensland operation, however QLD has recently been anti UCG because of the strong investment from the CSG sector (Coal Seam Gas). They recently shut down a UCG plant for merely having traces of a chemical that is deadly...despite the fact it was below the 'warning' level. And indeed was tested only days later, and came back chemical free. That company was Cougar Energy (CXY)



So back to the SA story, Linc Energy, with $500m cash and a huge future cash flow has now made their SA operation their MAIN investment. That means we could see action sooner rather then later. UCG has massive potential, as its a developing technology. It can produce nearly twice as much gas as conventional coal seam gas, and is used on unviable coal sections.



So keep an eye on that! We could have Olympic Dam as one of the worlds largest mines, and the worlds largest, and most advanced UCG plant. :D

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#909 Post by Wayno » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:13 am

A good read...not focused on SA mining per se, but sets the scene australia-wide for the next decade or more...

The per capita consumption figures from India & China are amazing. Also appropriate is the use of the term 'non-global financial crisis'.

From the Australian:
Asian boom will support our long-term picture

The signs have now become unmistakable, as Asia sails out of the non-global financial crisis, that demand for Australia's commodities, the country's dominant exports, will continue to increase powerfully during the coming decade.

The Asian Development Bank forecasts roaring 7.9 per cent growth for developing Asia in 2010. Even if China should choke economically, a most unlikely event, then India will be there, and Indonesia as well, each growing by 7 per cent or so a year.

History, corporate intelligence, development experience, and above all demographics underline this all but inexorable trend.

Steel demand is the key to industrialisation, to modernisation, and to Australian prosperity.

India's per capita consumption of steel is 32kg per year, compared with a world average of 140kg. The Indian consumption is almost exactly what China's was a decade ago, since when it has soared 10 times to 331.5 kg per person. China last year produced 48.4 per cent of all the world's steel.

China consumed two-thirds of the growth in world metals output over the last decade. Its own appetite continues to appear insatiable, while India's economy is also pursuing its own relentless path towards urbanisation and development.

World Bank economist Shane Streifel says that the growth in demand from China and India "presents a large challenge to the metals industry, to almost double output over the next two decades".

Prices for iron ore and coking coal, the core components of steel, and of other commodities will fluctuate according to supply and conditions in ultimate markets. But demand will remain not merely firm but expansionary for the next decade at least.

And while Australia retains its advantage in transport cost and rapidity of response over its competitors in Africa and Latin America when it comes to supplying Asia, the good times will keep coming.

The chief variables that could still let this great opportunity for sustained prosperity slip from Australia's grasp are investment, ensuring that demand is reliably met, and infrastructure, enabling the commodities to make their way efficiently to their markets.

Richard Martin, Singapore-based managing director of business analyst IMA Asia, says that a crucial element in commodity demand in future is the way Indian gross domestic product growth consistently and sustainably ratchets up from 5 per cent a year to 7 per cent.

He says: "The pool of domestic savings is going up as a percentage of GDP -- the capacity to drive investment is going up, the capacity to build more infrastructure and to pay more to workers, who can start to buy TVs and cars and more food.

"And so, the whole thing takes off. That whole dynamic is now working in India, as we've known it to work in China.

"And good grief, Indonesia is about to do that as well, with its quarter billion population, on Australia's doorstep.

"We need a new acronym for this phenomenon, maybe ICI: India, China, Indonesia. Total population: 2.75 billion, 42 per cent of the global population."

Martin says it is likely that Europe and the US will stay sleep-walking, economically, for another three years or more. But while bad news for the global economy, that is no longer a disaster for Australia, as we have seen with our avoidance of recession during the recent Western financial collapse.

Australia's resource exports soared by 345 per cent during the last decade, to $131 billion in 2009 -- two-thirds of all merchandise exports. Our top merchandise exports are now, in order: coal, iron ore, gold and natural gas.

Education by far tops our services exports, with, again, China and India contributing the lion's share.

Despite earlier anxieties that, given Asia's enmeshment in the global economy, these countries would fall like dominoes, "the big guys in the region have domestically driven economies", Martin says.

Other Asian economies tend to be tied in with those successful leaders.

But South Korea, with 50 million people, has also developed its own successful growth model. While Japan has aimed at the top end, the Lexus end, in advanced economies, Korea has aimed at emerging markets, Martin says, offering value for similar products by pricing them at about half.

Japan's strategy has fallen over with its Western markets. "But Korea has developed a wonderful price-value chain." And Korea's appetite for Australian resources keeps accelerating.

At present, he says: "The mineral guys are getting all the attention, but the demand for soft commodities, for foodstuffs, is picking up as well, benefiting New Zealand, and especially its globally dominant dairy corporation Fonterra, as well as Australia."

Most people in China have sufficient food today, Martin says, "but in India a quarter of the population has insufficient, and as incomes rise they will focus on buying more food", while China's elite will buy more top-end niche foodstuffs and wines.

The average Chinese today consumes more than twice as much meat, milk, fish, fruit and vegetables as the average Indian.

Mark Pervan, ANZ head of commodities research, says: "Australia has a big role to play in meeting the new wave of demand from Asia."

He says that "the last decade has been all about iron ore, but this decade will be about energy and especially coal".

India has coal and iron ore of its own. But its demand for coking coal to make steel and thermal coal to generate power is running far ahead of that domestic supply chain.

Sydney-based AME Mineral Economics, consultant Wood Mackenzie and ANZ all forecast that by 2015, if steel and power growth is sustained at 15 per cent, India's coking coal import demand will have risen from 30 million tonnes last year to 106 million tonnes, and thermal coal demand will have risen from 42 million to 146 million tonnes.

Over the same period, they expect China's coking coal import demand to rise from 34 million to 62 million tonnes a year, and its thermal coal import demand to double from 83 million to 161 million tonnes a year. Other big buyers will include Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, which is also boosting demand, especially for thermal coal.

Is this feasible? Seshagiri Rao, the joint managing director of JSW, India's third-largest steelmaker, says he expects Indian demand to grow by 12 per cent in 2010, then 15 per cent in 2011 and a phenomenal 40 per cent in 2012.

Pervan says that the rapid emergence of the Indian import market for coal "tightens the whole supply picture". The big market there is for infrastructure. .

He says: "India's infrastructure is completely outdated" since it has scarcely been modernised since being built by the British during the original industrial revolution.

China needs imported coal, fundamentally for its thriving south and east coasts. They are now partly supplied by domestic coal producers in the country's north by rail and boat, but at a price that is almost two-thirds of the cost of shipping the higher quality Australian resource, which is mostly mined near the coast.

Wood Mackenzie says China's demand for liquefied natural gas will not displace coal, but oil, and the demand will shoot up from the present 9 billion cubic feet a day to 43 billion cubic feet by 2030.

Pervan says that while having a different profile, India's growth spurt in the next decade, like that of China in the last decade, will give it an immense appetite for many of the same commodities, including copper for cables. It will be power intensive.

To gain a licence from the government to build and operate power stations, Indian firms need to demonstrate a capacity to source the raw resources required. This explains, in part, the recent $3bn spent by India's Adani Corp to acquire Linc Energy's coal assets in Queensland.

Asia is not taking chances that Australia does not have the investment required to keep these commodities flowing.

Jamshed Irani, a director of massive Indian conglomerate Tata Steel, says that in the future "the dominant success factor for a steel company will be whether it has sufficient access to raw materials".
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#910 Post by Wayno » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:13 pm

I suspect BHP will soon respond to the raft of ODX EIS concerns - likely before end-October. You know, location of desal plant, dust from tailings, radioactivity concerns, electricity from green sources, port requirements & locations, etc. This will bring Media Mike onto our TV screens for the first time in what feels like months - i've almost forgotten what he looks like - lol

Also, my bet is that BHP will push for open cut approval before July 2011 (at which time the Senate will have a larger Greens presence - the unknown being whether they will be pro or anti-uranium mining).

Just sharing my personal thoughts...
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#911 Post by skyliner » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:52 pm

Agree with your thinking Wayno. Business is not sure of what is happening or what is the best way to move at present. Getting the best out of the political scene turing into real crystal ball stuff. Exhange rates affected and investment ' magnetism' of Aust re mining also affected. the Greens seen as very problematic in the mining area due to the current party influence. (Greens have a big dislike of uranium mining).

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#912 Post by Wayno » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:13 pm

Another mine starts operations, and i expect 2-3 before year end. Oh, and it's good to see that Mike Rann is still alive ;-)

From AdelaideNow:
THE State's first new iron mine in more than 100 years was opened today by Premier Mike Rann.

IMX Resources' Cairn Hill mine, 55km southeast of Coober Pedy, signals the start of a new era for South Australia's mining sector.

It is the first of a group of small mining companies which will open up iron ore deposits on Eyre Peninsula and the Far North for export to the Chinese and Indian markets.

"This is the first iron ore mine to be opened outside the Middleback Ranges near Whyalla, with similar ventures in the pipeline writing a new chapter for our state's resources industry," Mr Rann said.

Cairn Hill is close to the Stuart Highway to Coober Pedy but has special restrictions because it lies within the Woomera Prohibited Area.

Restrictions included requiring Defence Department clearance as well as Foreign Investment Review Board approval for a $49 million investment by Chinese company Sichuan Taifeng.

"Cairn Hill is a terrific example of how Defence and mining can co-exist in the Woomera Prohibited Area," Mr Rann said.

The project will create employment for about 100 people directly and a further 170 indirectly.

IMX aims to export about 1.7 million tonnes of ore a year, railed to Port Adelaide in custom-built containers. "Cairn Hill is now the cornerstone of our future core business of iron ore and steelmaking materials," IMX chairman Johann Jacobs said.

"We are looking to increase our resource base over time either through exploration or acquisition. "We are very proud that IMX Resources is the first of the next wave of iron ore producers in SA."

Cairn Hill is an open cut mine with high quality magnetite iron with copper and gold byproducts. It will be lightly improved on site before being trucked to the Rankin Dam rail siding.

The trucking of ore began this week under a contract with Adelaide-based Exact Mining Services which has a joint venture - Stony Desert Mining Services - with the Antakirinja Matu-Yankunytjatjara Aboriginal Corporation. Mine workers will be housed in Coober Pedy.

"We have created a unique partnership between business, government, traditional peoples, local communities and Chinese partners," IMX managing director Duncan McBain said.

"This exciting project is on track for commencement of shipping in the final quarter of this year." Mr Rann said the Government expects to get royalties of about $3.9 million from Cairn Hill.

IMX and its subsidiaries have signed contracts for mining services worth more than $40 million for the next five years.

It has an extensive exploration tenement around Cairn Hill, the Mount Woods area. Its mining neighbour, Prominent Hill copper mine owner OZ Minerals, has an agreement with IMX to spend at least $20 million exploring Mount Woods for non-ferrous minerals.
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#913 Post by rhino » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:47 pm

Great news! On the radio news this morning they said the mine had a life of 20 years, and that it would be an open cut mine, followed by underground mining.Would love to see a rail spur to the mine, but with only a 20-year mine life, that's unlikely.
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#914 Post by JamesXander » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:27 pm

These mines are very much experimental at this stage.

If they do well, we see a rai line, bam. We have a new mini Pilbara.

There are many Iron ore juniors on the eyre at the moment.

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#915 Post by Wayno » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:38 pm

JamesXander wrote:These mines are very much experimental at this stage.

If they do well, we see a rai line, bam. We have a new mini Pilbara.

There are many Iron ore juniors on the eyre at the moment.
Yep, lots of Eyre Peninsula mining prospects are in the feasibility stage, with only a pittance of the available land being tested. The prospect is massive, and close to existing townships too. It just needs a bit more momentum (mines beget other mines nearby). Will take 3+ years before a rail line enters serious conversation.
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