[COM] 122 Grenfell Street | 59m | 17lvls | Ibis Hotel

[Waewick]

http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=370

there is a bit of history of the building - I guess reading that it does indeed have cultural heritiage being the original balfours site....however it is still an ugly building.

[Nathan]

Here's the response from Stephen Yarwood, as posted on his Facebook page:

I’m disappointed the Jade Monkey is closing in Twin St but more disappointed people think it is council's fault.

The landowner has a right to develop his land and as the development is > $10 million the State Govt Development Assessment Commission is the planning authority.

Truth is council is powerless so don’t blame us - we have no laws to change the decision either.

Keep in mind a community movement to stop the development is not good for Jade Monkey – if they want to relocate it is not a good look that the community want to stop the development of the land.

Landowners would not be keen to lease to a tenant with a community that opposes thier rights as a land owner. It is not good for live music to turn off landowners from leasing land and any campaign to stop the development is counterproductive to the Jade Monkey Team and live music in general.

I have met with Zac and offered to assist finding an alternative site and already have work underway for the City to have a live music strategy to promote, support and protect live music in Adelaide.

I am doing what I can within my powers and influence!!!

There's also a good analysis by Ianto Ware of the greater issues at hand, and why re-opening the Jade elsewhere isn't as straightforward as it seems: http://renewadelaide.wordpress.com/2012 ... ey-closes/

[degruch]

Nice to confirm our new Lord Mayor has completely missed the point, but I'm sure he's not the only one.

In reply, I would have to say:

(a) If you're disappointed that people think it is the council's fault, Stephen, please relay the message to the State Development Ass. Comm, as its planning authority has just approved the demolition of our state heritage...you may have just noticed its importance in the community.

(b) Who is asking for the development to stop? No-one.

(c) 'The owner will not lease to a tenant, etc, etc', sounds like blackmail to me. The owner's wishes should be secondary in this case, the building is prime for heritage listing. However, 10 million is talking.

(d) Is the ACC or the State responsible for heritage listing? This is the cruxt of the matter.

Stephen is free to meet with me any day.

PS: I think Ianto has missed the point a little too...well written article though. The emotion of the Jade Monkey argument is clouding the real issue.

[Waewick]

so am I right in thinking that as a forum - we are pretty much happy to not involve the ACC in decision making for developments except when a building we like is slated for development?

this is starting to smell like a Anne Moran/North Adelaide "not in our backyard" type of argument.

[Ben]

I personally don't find the "Jade monkey" Building of much value. it is run down and probably beyond repair which is why the developer has decided to just get rid of it and also by doing so eliminate liability. I certianly would not be cryiung when it is demolished.

[omada]

I personally don't find the "Jade monkey" Building of much value. it is run down and probably beyond repair which is why the developer has decided to just get rid of it and also by doing so eliminate liability. I certianly would not be cryiung when it is demolished.

The aesthetics of the building are not the point (although I am rather fond of its dilapidated rustic charm) - it's the buildings history, it's place in the story of Adelaide.

What I find most perplexing is that the developer does not even need to demolish the building, I would like to see Stephen Yarwood/the ACC approach the developer personally and come to some sort of compromise. Surely a person like Stephen, would I think is a great Lord Mayor, can recognise the merits of retaining this property and indeed fostering the live music scene - people like to "do stuff" apart from shopping you know!

[rev]

I think we need to start a fund to get counselling for some people...

If you are that pathetically emotionally attached to it, you will keep supporting it wherever it moves to.
The venue it self wouldn't be your issue, it would be whether or not it continues operating in a new premises.

Which is where the counselling comes into play for some of you.

[degruch]

The venue isn't really the issue (although there's some emotional attachment to Jade Monkey for many - they can enjoy its resurrection elsewhere, as per the Madlove Bar and Shotz in the 1990's), it's the entire street. The building itself is significant, there's no question, whether ugly or requiring a fit out, it should remain standing regardless of the development. It could not operate as a live venue whilst major construction occurs next door regardless, and would be impractical afterwards, but it doesn't have to continue life as a live music venue.

Twin Street has a lot of heritage and character, which should be enhanced by the new development, not destroyed. I know we can't keep everything, we'd still be trying to squeeze traffic down Tavistock Street if we did, but there's no major infrastructure change required here. Where is the creative thinking (beyond how to operate a 17 story hotel in a tiny laneway!) that would see Twin Street envigourated rather than destroyed? The council and State planning have really dropped the ball on this one, fingers crossed the developers have an appropriate replacement for 156 years worth of erased heritage.

[[Shuz]]

You spin me right round baby, right round, like a record, baby.

[omada]

You spin me right round baby, right round, like a record, baby.

It's called debate, a pretty common occurance on internet FORUMS.

[SRW]

Twin Street has a lot of heritage and character, which should be enhanced by the new development, not destroyed. I know we can't keep everything, we'd still be trying to squeeze traffic down Tavistock Street if we did, but there's no major infrastructure change required here. Where is the creative thinking (beyond how to operate a 17 story hotel in a tiny laneway!) that would see Twin Street envigourated rather than destroyed? The council and State planning have really dropped the ball on this one, fingers crossed the developers have an appropriate replacement for 156 years worth of erased heritage.

+1

[dsriggs]

You spin me right round baby, right round, like a record, baby.

They should've rebuilt the Jade Monkey on the old railyards!

[Just build it]

When governments wish to build highways near residential developments, they are required to reimburse nearby residents for amenity loss or pay for noiseproofing. When factories are contructed near residential developments in the burbs they are commonly required to pay for noiseproofing or to confine noisy production processes to daylight hours. Pre-existing development - especially when not overtly noisy or disruptive (such as the Jade) - should have at least some "first-mover" advantage.

I know this is old but I've only just gone back through the last few pages of the thread. I guess my only question to this comment would be, what about if all those nearby residents of the highway or factory were overjoyed to sell at the price offered and happily moved out, like the owner of the JM building? Does the highway/factory still need the extra soundproofing? It's all moot anyway because the JM weren't the owners of the building and are obviously still able to see out their contract. If they owned it and were forced out by compulsory acquisition or whatever then I'd probably see your point but otherwise...

This is where you get offensive and a little bit narrow-minded. I love that the token response to any claims that we need to retain live music venues in adelaide is always something along the lines of "well just bugger off then if you don't like it here". It shares similarities with the xenophobic "love it or leave it" mantra adopted by the flag-toting cronulla rioters. I'm actually passionate about Adelaide being a great city. Your comments imply I shouldn't even try and I should just leave. May I suggest a possible relocation to Dubai if the pace of development isn't sufficient here for you?

I guess I could say the same then. Actually I'm not sure where you're even coming from. Random internet posts don't offend me but to compare my comment to the mantra of Cronulla rioters can't be taken seriously. I don't sit and word my posts like I'm writing a Time editorial so maybe it came across slightly skewed but simply, if people feel the need to move to Melbourne over every ridiculously small issue that happens in this city and continually make the threat, maybe they should give it try. Hardly offensive. Hardly Cronulla.

[Will]

From the Advertiser:

Premier moves to rescue Jade Monkey

by: Music Writer Sam Kelton
From:The Advertiser
February 23, 201212:00AM




PREMIER Jay Weatherill is negotiating with developers to try to save live music venue The Jade Monkey.

A petition to save the Twin St venue received more than 2000 signatures in less than 24 hours after the venue announced on Facebook this week that it was closing to make way for a $65 million hotel development on Grenfell St.

Mr Weatherill yesterday said small venues such as The Jade Monkey were crucial to the city's rejuvenation.

"We're a bit disappointed," he said.

"The problem is what they're doing down there is exactly what we want to see in the city - activating laneways with some interesting bars. It's really bad if we lose these venues."

It is unclear whether a deal can be struck between the The Jade Monkey, the State Government and Hines Property, which is behind the development.


Mr Weatherill said he would explore all the options when he spoke to both parties.

He also said the Government would look into the challenges that smaller venues faced and find a way through the "red tape''.

"We're hoping to see what we can do to make sure that they're still in operation. I've been trying to make contact with the developer and just generally trying to find a solution.''

[crawf]

Wow didn't see that coming!